Author Topic: We know who you are...1474 megapixels...! (Read 1043 times)

TM7 · « **on:** March 05, 2011, 03:44:06 AM »

FASCINATING BUT SCARY!!! If you were there, they would know!!
You used to be able to get lost in the crowd, but not anymore. Double click on any area in the picture to bring the person closer. Or, just click the mouse and use the mouse wheel to bring them closer.

This is a photograph of 2009 Obama Inauguration. You can see IN FOCUS the face of EACH individual in the crowd !!!
You can scan and zoom to any section of the crowd. . . Wait a few seconds. Double click anywhere . And the focus adjusts to give you a very identifiable close up.

The picture was taken with a robotic 1474 megapixel camera (295 times the standard 5 megapixel camera). Every one attending could be scanned after the event, should something have gone wrong during it.

Click on:
http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c

from an email........TM7
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magooch · « **Reply #1 on:** March 05, 2011, 03:58:30 AM »

One thing I can guarandamnteeyou--you won't be finding my face at any event that involves Obwana.

Sourdough · « **Reply #2 on:** March 05, 2011, 06:37:04 AM »

They have been doing this for years, it's just now getting out about them doing it. And as the equipment gets better, they keep upgrading to the newest, latest, and greatest.

There was a TV show that came on back a couple of years ago called "Threat Matrix" about military intelligence personnel. Man they were showing some great stuff that was being used in the middleeast. Satalite photos and immaging. Trouble was they were giving away our seacrets as to how we knew what the Iraquies and Afgans were doing. The show got pulled.

Mohawk · « **Reply #3 on:** March 05, 2011, 07:07:34 AM »

IP Camera Systems are even more impressive. Doesn't use pixels. Take your average camera at a grocery checkout line. With IP you can read the person's name on their credit card.

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** March 05, 2011, 07:20:36 AM »

HMMMMMM. I found jesse, al, louis farrakhen, reps from every godless nation on earth, thousands of welfare mothers and pantywetters, a bunch of praise mohamed and kill all infidel signs, plenty of gay pride signs and a big gathering of females proudly proclaiming, I killed my baby. Pretty sure I saw several board members too, might look again later and find some more goodies. POWDERMAN.

srussell · « **Reply #5 on:** March 05, 2011, 07:47:58 AM »

i looked my place up on goggle earth and can see deer in the woods behind the . were not safe anywere

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2011, 07:51:45 AM »

If your in public, you ain't private. Yep, google earth is used by tax assesors and bldng dept inspectors as well. Thought you'd get away with bldg that chicken coop without a permit did ya??

oldandslow · « **Reply #7 on:** March 05, 2011, 12:15:53 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on March 05, 2011, 07:51:45 AM

If your in public, you ain't private. Yep, google earth is used by tax assesors and bldng dept inspectors as well. Thought you'd get away with bldg that chicken coop without a permit did ya??

No need to worry. I just checked my place. The picture is so old that the storage building that I sat down 12 years ago isn't on it. It doesn't show some other things that have been here longer than that. The picture definition is so poor that you couldn't tell what an elephant was if I had one.

Matt · « **Reply #8 on:** March 05, 2011, 03:05:24 PM »

Quote from: Mohawk on March 05, 2011, 07:07:34 AM

IP Camera Systems are even more impressive. Doesn't use pixels. Take your average camera at a grocery checkout line. With IP you can read the person's name on their credit card.

someone is feeding you a line of BS... IP Camera systems are simply another way of getting the information in this case an image from one location to another. Also ALL pictures have PIXELS.... matters not if it is a digital still camera, CCTV camera, IP Camera... just dont matter. I have been installing CCTV and IP based Camera/DVR systems since 2001 and I promise you the average camera will not allow you to read the name on a credit card. 12x optical and up sure if it is not to far away.
Most cameras in checkout lines these days are fix lens dome cameras with 520 - 580 lines of resolution.. they show a good pic but you cant read credit cards or any of that crap.
as a side note Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target and other big name stores have added facial recognition software to their systems as well as behavior recognition software.... Big Brother is watching.... always.....
Matt

JustaShooter · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2011, 03:31:34 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 05, 2011, 03:44:06 AM

This is a photograph of 2009 Obama Inauguration. You can see IN FOCUS the face of EACH individual in the crowd !!!
You can scan and zoom to any section of the crowd. . . Wait a few seconds. Double click anywhere . And the focus adjusts to give you a very identifiable close up.

It isn't all THAT good - you can probably identify the people in the last row of seats, but past that and it gets dicey quickly.

Still an impressive photo, and of course since this is a photo they are willing to show in public, imagine what the spooks and military have that we don't yet know about...

Just a Shooter

blind ear · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2011, 04:22:19 PM »

We can't tell who the people are on top of the buildings in the background are, but I bet someone can. ear

JRiddle · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2011, 03:24:05 AM »

Zoom in to the near-side, just behind O. Check out the expression on Bush's face,,,priceless.
JR

JustaShooter · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2011, 03:34:23 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 06, 2011, 04:42:35 AM

When I was a college kid 40+ years ago, I took a remote sensing course. We looked at a picture of a dime taken from satelite...you could read the date clearly...also could see deep into the earth and thru clouds using proper electro-magnetic wavelength imaging...Pretty neat.

You don't really expect us to believe that do you? There is no way that we had the ability 40 years ago to adjust for atmospheric distortion sufficiently to be able to read the date on a coin from a satellite in orbit. I seriously doubt we could today, even in the most top secret tech the government has, much less in something that would be shown to college students. Ditto the ability to see deep into the earth using "proper electro-magnetic wavelength imaging". If we could, we would be using it in the planetary exploratory probes we are sending out.

If either of these exist, and were available 40 years ago, I'm sure you can link to it, right?

Just a Shooter (and occasionally skeptic)

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2011, 03:31:16 AM »

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When I was a college kid 40+ years ago, I took a remote sensing course. We looked at a picture of a dime taken from satelite...you could read the date clearly...also could see deep into the earth and thru clouds using proper electro-magnetic wavelength imaging...Pretty neat.

TM7

I know what you are saying. My own usage dates back to 1999 and the program was terra-server which use the so called "spin 2 Satellite photo's". I was up to task with hand held gps technology and good mapping software so I had a ball locating local landmarks such as an old bridge to airport runways and the gates and many other sights via typing in Lat\Long coordinates.

These black n white photos were reputed to be of low resolution but yet the small taxi lights that line a runway could be seen clearly.

MGMorden · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:06:48 AM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on March 05, 2011, 07:51:45 AM

If your in public, you ain't private. Yep, google earth is used by tax assesors and bldng dept inspectors as well. Thought you'd get away with bldg that chicken coop without a permit did ya??

This is actually an area I work with extensively. A few other counties (that have way more money than us) have began doing some experimentation with a type of sonar (possibly LIDAR - not sure on the details). It would do base level 3d scans of the area and establish all non-moving items and determine what is a structure. At that point it starts to do repeated scans and can determine when a new structure comes into being. With that you generate a list of properties with new structures, and then cross reference against properties in your jurisdiction and then filter out anything that had a building permit issued. Once that's done you get an automated list of unpermitted construction.

Of course, realistically, the law of the land is that you secure a building permit before constructing anything. If you don't get those permits you can't whine too much if/when you get caught.

MGMorden · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:16:48 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 07, 2011, 04:05:30 AM

Well....you're just plain mistaken, or lacking information....The visible part of the electro-magnetic spectrum is very narrow...very small....images taken using other wavelengths ..then converted to visible for our eyes is the key. There is now atmospheric distortion using some wavelnghts outside the human visible spectrum. Look it up yourself...you got a computor. 5-6cm resolution was possible back then from 100 mile orbit I believe with proprietary lense material...enhancement improved resolution...

..TM7
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There is atmospheric distortion at pretty much all usable wavelengths - why do you think the James Webb Telescope is being put outside of the atmosphere even though it operates outside of the visible wavelength?

There's also a nagging little fact: images are generated by translating reflected spectrum. For a wavelength to be reflected, it has to be susceptible to interaction with matter - which is what happens with atmospheric distortion - the matter in the air distorts the incoming light. At any wavelength at which you got "no atmospheric distortion", that would necessitate a lack of interaction with matter. That would also necessitate that such a wavelength would never reflect off of this hypothetical dime in the first place for you to ever get an image. Even at somewhere between "less interaction" and "no interaction", the less susceptible to atmospheric distortion a particular wavelength become, the poorer the quality of the image would become as less light would bounce back.

Outside of that though, the simple reality is that even if there wasn't an atmosphere present the camera technology of 40 years ago was no where near sufficient to achieve that type of resolution.

Also, I'm not sure where you get the metioned "the standard 5MP camera". Most consumer cameras are a lot higher than that now. You can barely find a camera anymore less than 12MP, and many consumer level cameras well under $1000 are available at 18MP. Heck most decent smart phone cameras these days are pushing 8MP.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:54:03 AM »

Quote from: oldandslow on March 05, 2011, 12:15:53 PM

Quote from: Pat/Rick on March 05, 2011, 07:51:45 AM
If your in public, you ain't private. Yep, google earth is used by tax assesors and bldng dept inspectors as well. Thought you'd get away with bldg that chicken coop without a permit did ya??
No need to worry. I just checked my place. The picture is so old that the storage building that I sat down 12 years ago isn't on it. It doesn't show some other things that have been here longer than that. The picture definition is so poor that you couldn't tell what an elephant was if I had one.

Ya might want to check out the one you pay for

JustaShooter · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:58:40 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 07, 2011, 04:05:30 AM

Quote from: JustaShooter on March 06, 2011, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: TM7 on March 06, 2011, 04:42:35 AM
When I was a college kid 40+ years ago, I took a remote sensing course. We looked at a picture of a dime taken from satelite...you could read the date clearly...also could see deep into the earth and thru clouds using proper electro-magnetic wavelength imaging...Pretty neat.

You don't really expect us to believe that do you? There is no way that we had the ability 40 years ago to adjust for atmospheric distortion sufficiently to be able to read the date on a coin from a satellite in orbit. I seriously doubt we could today, even in the most top secret tech the government has, much less in something that would be shown to college students. Ditto the ability to see deep into the earth using "proper electro-magnetic wavelength imaging". If we could, we would be using it in the planetary exploratory probes we are sending out.

If either of these exist, and were available 40 years ago, I'm sure you can link to it, right?

Just a Shooter (and occasionally skeptic)

Well....you're just plain mistaken, or lacking information....The visible part of the electro-magnetic spectrum is very narrow...very small....images taken using other wavelengths ..then converted to visible for our eyes is the key. There is now atmospheric distortion using some wavelnghts outside the human visible spectrum. Look it up yourself...you got a computor. 5-6cm resolution was possible back then from 100 mile orbit I believe with proprietary lense material...enhancement improved resolution...

..TM7
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Sorry TM, that's just hogwash. If it is possible, link to it. Also, I see you've changed from "read the date on a dime" to "5-6cm resolution". Now, 5-6cm (about 2 - 2.5 inches) I could believe, maybe, but I'm even skeptical of that being possible from Earth orbit 40 years ago in the public domain.

The rest, sorry, no way. Come on, it has only been 2 years since NASA was able to show pictures of the lunar landing sites, by showing the shadows of the craft, not the craft themselves. And they had to do it FROM LUNAR ORBIT, with no atmosphere to interfere. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

If that's the best they can do from an orbiter specifically designed to take images of the lunar surface, no way can you get your claimed resolution from Earth orbit through the atmosphere.

Go ahead, pull the other one, that leg's getting longer than the other...

Just a Shooter

JustaShooter · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2011, 02:22:52 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 07, 2011, 08:29:52 AM

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There is atmospheric distortion at pretty much all usable wavelengths - why do you think the James Webb Telescope is being put outside of the atmosphere even though it operates outside of the visible wavelength?

That's because they want to analyse certain wavelength data that does fall into atmospheric distortion where refractive index of the media is important..thus a need for a vacuum...other wavelengths are not impinged by media and have no real refractive index to worry about. If you want to image stuff that falls in the visible spectrum wavelengths you have to worry about atmospheric refraction.

Consider 6 or 7 element 'thin' lenses of proprietary optical material of 4 feet diameter with hyperfocal distance of say 80- 90 miles....(the distance for a short duration orbit before falling back to earth or having to be re-booted away from earth.) Consider fine grain B and W film capable of enlargement and consider capturing this image at wavelength 10 to the -8 or 10 to the -10 wavelength m. Then upon recovery of this film on earth could it be further enlarged or enhanced to see clealy smaller objects with some detail within its 5-6cm resolution. ?

..TM7
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Sorry TM, if this were possible it would be available - and as you claim in an earlier post, from 40 years ago. Today, the device with the highest resolution of any commercial imaging system is the GeoEye-1, which can collect images with a ground resolution of 0.41-meters or 16 inches in the panchromatic or black and white mode. http://launch.geoeye.com/LaunchSite/about/

There are those that claim sub-centimeter resolution for the best imaging systems run by the NRO, but credible experts place the likely resolution at an order of magnitude lower, or in the 10cm (4 inch) range, using the KH-12 or Advanced KH-11 with a primary mirror in the 10 foot diameter range. http://www.spacetoday.org/Satellites/YugoWarSats.html http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/kh-12.htm

Again, that's today, not 40 years ago.

Your turn...

Just a Shooter

JustaShooter · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2011, 03:21:09 PM »

Guess TM didn't want to play anymore...

Just a Shooter