Author Topic: Airgun Accessories (Read 744 times)

sixgunSal · « **on:** December 22, 2003, 04:25:01 PM »

I have been reading all the back posts, and was wondering about a few things. ( A few dumb questions) I have just bought my first airgun a HW97 and I am waiting on delivery. I also bought a RWS 94 before the HW97 and am also waiting on delivery for that one. (I wish I had seen the RWS 34 demo price AND read this forum before doing that) but I'll let you know how it shoots when I get it. I would love to be able to check speeds on various pellets on both these rifles.
First thing I have a question about is the weighing of pellets...why do you do this? Do you try and group them by weight before shooting? Do they differ that much out of the same tin that this is neccesary? Also, I saw this-->"no time to use the seater and the barrel is closed." What is a seater? and where/when do you use it? and for what kind of guns? Another question is where do you get an airgun cleaning kit? or do you even clean the barrel after shooting? Also, using a chronograph(?) do you need to have one of thse? What kind? are they expensive? I guess I need to go out and get a picnic table to use a bench for shooting.
One of the topics was the pellet holder and how to make one - very intresting, (I had never even thought of how to hold pellets) I can't wait to try some of these things out. :] Keep these hints coming for us newbies, and thanks.
Jim

Johnny · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2003, 08:24:04 PM »

First thing I have a question about is the weighing of pellets...why do you do this? Do you try and group them by weight before shooting? Do they differ that much out of the same tin that this is neccesary?

In my experience, nope.

Also, I saw this-->"no time to use the seater and the barrel is closed." What is a seater? and where/when do you use it? and for what kind of guns?

It´s a little penshaped item that you use to push the pellets in proper position when loading, I have never found any use for them.

Another question is where do you get an airgun cleaning kit? or do you even clean the barrel after shooting?

I made my cleaningkit myself, I use a 0,6 mm fishingline with a cleaningpad that I pull trough the barrel from the breech to the muzzle. I clean my barrels at around 250 fired pellets.

Also, using a chronograph(?) do you need to have one of thse? What kind? are they expensive?

I use a Combro 625 Mk III - theise items are essensial, without them you don´t actually know how good your gun perform. You measure how equal your gun shoots and by this you can detect if something have went wrong during it´s use (a broken spring/guide and so). It´s like calculating the fuelconsumption now and then of your car - if it will take the double amount of fuel then you have a good reason to suspect that something is wrong but you must calculate (measure) to know (detect) this.

I guess I need to go out and get a picnic table to use a bench for shooting.

Use your body to to support the gun, sitting down - it is often easier to get a usable and stabile support then esp shooting a hold sensitive springer.

Don´t forget to get some good pelletlube, you will get better performace and you don´t need to clean your barrel as often and when you do it, it´s not so dirty.

Good luck with your new guns!

:grin:

big6x6 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:47:37 AM »

"First thing I have a question about is the weighing of pellets...why do you do this? Do you try and group them by weight before shooting? Do they differ that much out of the same tin that this is neccesary?"

Weighing of pellets...Yes it can be a benefit. Many pellets list their weight on the can/box. One can also find the weight of a particular brand on the net. MANY brands/types of pellets don't weigh their advertised weight. This IS important if you have a chronograph and are taking velocity readings and calculating muzzle energy figures as well as energy figures down range. EXAMPLE: I have a Beeman Kodiak .25. It shoots a Diana dome pellet at 817fps. RWS/Diana ADVERTISES this pellet to weigh 21gr but in fact mine averaged 19.78gr. If I used the advertised 21gr weight to calculate ME figures it would be 31.13ftlb. But in reality it is a 29.32ftlb gun. Also, MANY field target shooters seperate pellets by weight. That's a little too serious for me!

"What is a seater? and where/when do you use it? and for what kind of guns?"

Don't waste your money. Mine STAYS in my shooting box!

"Another question is where do you get an airgun cleaning kit? or do you even clean the barrel after shooting?"

Another "don't waste your money." I wipe off each airgun after shooting with Shooters Choice "Rust Prevent," Beeman MP-5, or Break-Free CLP. This is VERY important as your sweaty hands are all over an air rifle. I have an R-1 about 20 years old, rust free. I rarely clean the bore of an air rifle. If I put one up for storage for a lengthly period I'll run one of the above products thru with a "Patch Worm" or an Otis kit, either will be all you will ever need. The only other reasons to clean the bore on an air rifle is if accuracy deteriorates OR you're shooting at velocities over 1000fps where barrel leading can be a problem. I usually wait for the accuracy to go south.

"Also, using a chronograph(?) do you need to have one of thse? What kind? are they expensive?"

Currently, I have four different bands of chronographs. I consider a chronograph almost a "must buy." It's hard to tell what you air rifle is doing without one. I recommend a "Pro Chrono" as a best buy. I have Oehler, PACT, Chrony, AND Pro Chrono and for the money, the Pro Chrono is the one. They're about $100.00.

big6x6 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:50:34 AM »

Johnny,

"Don´t forget to get some good pelletlube, you will get better performace and you don´t need to clean your barrel as often and when you do it, it´s not so dirty."

In a SPRING gun? I've never found ANY pellet lube suitable for use in a spring air rifle. ALL I've tried cause detonation in some guns. PCPs, fine. I recommend no lube at all in a spring powered air rifle.

Lawdog · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2003, 10:56:41 AM »

Jim,

Your hard core target shooters use pellet seaters, routinely weight their pellets to ensure they weight the same(as close as humanly possible), even with premium target pellets. If you are going to get into Olympic type matches then YES, you will need all this stuff. A chronograph is really indispensable. I use a "Pro Chrono" and I don't think you could do better for the money. Unlike others I DO recommend a cleaning kit especially for high velocity air rifles(any over 800 fps.). I got my kits from Air Gun Express. I routinely run a dry patch thru the barrel every 500 or so pellets. If it comes out dirty, streaked or showing lead deposits then I clean the barrel. I don't care for pellet lube in springer type air rifles because of detonation problems. Keep us informed on your rifles and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy & Prosperous New Year(and that goes for everyone here on the Airgun forum). Lawdog

Johnny · « **Reply #5 on:** December 23, 2003, 11:48:42 AM »

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In a SPRING gun? I've never found ANY pellet lube suitable for use in a spring air rifle. ALL I've tried cause detonation in some guns. PCPs, fine. I recommend no lube at all in a spring powered air rifle.

I use Napier Pellet Lube, about 1-2 drops in a mediumsized plastic Maxigrip bag, enough for 100-150 pellets.

I belive that the key to sucess in this case is to use the proper amount of lube, overlube is perhaps a main cause for detonation/combustion.

I also use it in my most powerful springer, a 900 fps AA TX200, without any problems.

If anyone wants to give it a try I would recomend that one starts with to little lube rather then to much in the beginning.

A Merry Christmas to all you great guys and fellow airgunners out there..!!