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Offline lonwolf

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Frozen breech plug
« on: March 07, 2011, 02:32:25 PM »
 What is the best solvent to free one up? I've no history on the gun except that its a cva, 50 cal, and used 777 pellets                                                                                                                                                         Thanks Frank                                                       

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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 04:12:49 PM »
could heat up a pot of boiling water and soak it in and then use the tool to remove it.

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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 05:52:19 PM »
I picked up  a used Remington 700ML last year that had a load in the barrel, a broken nipple, and a frozen breech plug.  I pulled the load with a ball puller (240 grain XTP/sabot/2 pellets) then blocked the nipple area with some modeling clay, stood the gun on its butt, and poured about an ounce and a half of Liquid Wrench down the bore.  After letting it sit for two days the breech plug and nipple came out with no problem.
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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 11:08:48 PM »
is it the eclipse with the sliding bolt?  If so try depresing the trigger when you go to untighted the plug.  When we first when to pull mine to clean it I thought it was frozen as well, but I pulled the trigger will trying to loosen the plug and it came right loose,  seems funny how just the slight up pressure from the lug can keep the plug wrench from turning.
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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2011, 06:45:10 AM »
I picked up  a used Remington 700ML last year that had a load in the barrel, a broken nipple, and a frozen breech plug.  I pulled the load with a ball puller (240 grain XTP/sabot/2 pellets) then blocked the nipple area with some modeling clay, stood the gun on its butt, and poured about an ounce and a half of Liquid Wrench down the bore.  After letting it sit for two days the breech plug and nipple came out with no problem.
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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2011, 03:49:43 PM »
Thanks for all the help guys Used hot water wasn't as frozen as i though Barrel doesn't look good any thoughts on that problem.......Frank

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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2011, 01:38:27 AM »
Frank, you could give it a good cleaning with a bronze brush and then see how deep the corrosion is.  If it does not seem too deep I'd try some soft loads ( one 50 grain pellet and a 240-250 grain bullet in a .50 cal. rifle) and see if you get any appreciable plastic fouling from the sabot.  A spit patch will get enough of the 777 "crud ring" out to seat another bullet but it usually won't get rid of plastic build up.

Many CVA rifles (maybe all?) were made with relatively soft extruded steel barrels.  They have had a lot of issues with barrel bursting which a quick web search would show.  That said, I have Winchester branded rifles made in the same factory that have given good service for years.

I'd keep the loads to no more than 100 grains of powder and a 100 grain equivalent of pellets regardless of what CVA claims.  Note that Hodgdon, who makes 777 and Pyrodex, specifically states that two 50 grain or one 50 and one 30 grain pellet are the safe maximum.  Check the data and warnings at:

http://hodgdon.com/ml-warning.html

Since Black Powder Industries, who makes and markets the CVA and Winchester Blackpowder products, does not proof test their barrels and won't provide any testing data or state what strength the alloy in their barrels is when asked I'd be very cautious with heavy loads, particularly with heavy bullets.  I have always used 240-250 grain Hornady XPTs with MMP sabots in my .50 Cal. Winchester Apex with good results.

777 and Pyrodex pellets are very inn efficient and awfully expensive-around $80 a pound.  I prefer the control and cost of loose powder.  I'd recommend trying Blackhorn 209 powder.  It does not build up the fouling of 777 or Pyrodex and does not require the immediate cleaning of the Hodgdon products and generally gives higher velocities with similar loads.

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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2011, 08:27:18 AM »
lets not go to far with the " they have a lot of problems with barrels bursting" stories that other writers are trying to feed new guys out there.

Their problems were with inlines made in 1995 and 1996. The last 2 digits that end in 95 or 96 are on a recall list.

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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 05:16:15 AM »
Thanks for all the help guys Used hot water wasn't as frozen as i though Barrel doesn't look good any thoughts on that problem.......Frank
Are you sure, the barrel is pitted? I had a used T/C, after I cleaned it, using my regular cleaner (Birchwood Casey) it looked really bad. I took it to the range, fired a couple of rounds, the gun grouped really good. When I cleaned it the 2nd time, using a different cleaner (Ballistol), most of the "corrosion" came off.
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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2011, 03:08:42 PM »
Ballistol is good stuff. As far as stuck gun parts,I'm addicted to Kroil .Makes a good powder solvent when cleaning as well.

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Re: Frozen breech plug
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 09:25:31 AM »
Plug the nipple and spray a bunch of pb blaster down the bore,leave it for a few days. It should come out if its ever going to.