Author Topic: Lybya, is DC beating the war drums again? (Read 1150 times)

Gary G · « **on:** March 08, 2011, 02:06:28 PM »

Pass the hat over to China to beg for more money to pay for a Libyan intervention? I hope not.

Information on Libya:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis230.html

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:16:00 PM »

Its time for the USA to set a new trend. One of minding its own freakin business. These are sovereign nations and we have absolutely NO business getting involved.

Hooker · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:18:15 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on March 08, 2011, 02:16:00 PM

Its time for the USA to set a new trend. One of minding its own freakin business. These are sovereign nations and we have absolutely NO business getting involved.

That gets my vote

Pat

hillbill · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:21:06 PM »

ya reckon we will intervene?id say about 75 percent of obamas biggest fans are anti war liberals. they will be very angry with him for doing such. i mean we havent closed gitmo like he promised,we are still in iraq.unemployment is still high,debt is climbing, we still are dependent on oil and there is no alternative energy. gas is sky high.all things king obama said he was gonna solve during his run for office.hmmm, goin to war may be the final straw with his devout followers.

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:35:02 PM »

Libya is none of our business. The obamination wants to be sure his muslim brotherhood scum take control everywhere. Right now it's the godless killing the godless, let them cleanse their own gene pool, leave them alone, be less for us to fight later. POWDERMAN.

hillbill · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:38:46 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on March 08, 2011, 02:16:00 PM

Its time for the USA to set a new trend. One of minding its own freakin business. These are sovereign nations and we have absolutely NO business getting involved.

as much as i agree with the above satement,its just not reality.we are too dependent on the middle east for our energy sources.if yu enjoy super high energy prices thats the way to go. we are not allowed to drill for oil in our own country thanks to present administration and his cronies in dc.i can live without electric and gas or diesel. it wont be fun and will be a huge amount of manual labor to survive. can yu do it?no really, can yu do it?

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:45:47 PM »

hillbill, how much oil do we import from libya? We are going to have high energy prices on D.C.'s actions, not what events are going on in the world. The global events are a convenient mask for our gov't to raise prices. obamammama said flat out that he was going to raise energy costs.

They are a sovereign nation and our government does not have Constitutional authority to take sides in sovereign nations affairs.

Gary G · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:59:18 PM »

Quote from: hillbill on March 08, 2011, 02:38:46 PM

Quote from: Pat/Rick on March 08, 2011, 02:16:00 PM
Its time for the USA to set a new trend. One of minding its own freakin business. These are sovereign nations and we have absolutely NO business getting involved.
as much as i agree with the above satement,its just not reality.we are too dependent on the middle east for our energy sources.if yu enjoy super high energy prices thats the way to go. we are not allowed to drill for oil in our own country thanks to present administration and his cronies in dc.i can live without electric and gas or diesel. it wont be fun and will be a huge amount of manual labor to survive. can yu do it?no really, can yu do it?

Pat/Rick +1

3% of US oil comes from Libya.
Oil is bought and sold on the world market.
Even US oil is bought and sold on the world market.
What matters is total world production.

The reason for, as the British once called it, "these jolly little wars", has more to do with imperialism than oil; something that started with the invasion of the Philippines by , I believe, Teddy Roosevelt. (It is a power thing, that has to do with merchantilism, once dominated by the British and now America)....only now it is crumbling.

Gary G · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2011, 03:11:09 PM »

Oil was going up before Tunisia. All commodities have been going parabolic because of Federal Reserve Quantitative Easing (printing money). When you increase the supply of something it makes each unit worth less. Therefore, dollars worth less means it takes more dollars to buy a gallon of gas. Oil has just been following the other commodities, corn, sugar, cotton, gold, etc. and is actually lagging some. Now speculation of stoppages in supply can increase prices on the spot market. But that usually evens out in time. All this, even the riots, has been caused by US monetary policy. If gas gets real high, the government and it's pundits will blame the oil companies. But it was caused by the government.

hillbill · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2011, 03:35:00 PM »

all posts above are good and true.the simple thing is that turmoil in the mid east causes us to suffer the price.i as yuall am sick of suffering the price.i know its not right and i dont want a single of of our boys to suffer because of it. i just dont see what choice we have.i know that the oil from libya and some other mideast countries is just a fraction of what we use.but once the straights of whoremouth or whatever are blocked, we will be lookin at serious chaos.i honestly dont think its a good idea to go to war for oil. why cant we drill here?we as a people dont really make any sense do we?

Gary G · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2011, 03:59:52 PM »

What does Ron Paul think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HUtHSjnMqE&feature=player_embedded

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2011, 04:14:47 PM »

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm

Nov '10 697 barrels Dec '10 2,060 barrels(thousand), certainly not much. If our wars are about oil how come we're spending 100+ a barrel ?
We have oil here. ALOT of it. chairman "o" got it set to shut slow down oil production, and just about stop coal production. The greenies and their ilk in DC have just about ruled out AK ever being viable with the fed set to gobble more AK property up. We're getting bent over because the government likes us in this position.

demicans/republicrats, different train, same destination.

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2011, 04:34:19 PM »

PAT/RICK. Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2011, 06:31:13 PM »

Quote from: Gary G on March 08, 2011, 03:59:52 PM

What does Ron Paul think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HUtHSjnMqE&feature=player_embedded

I sure wish we could clone a few more of him in DC.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2011, 06:39:23 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on March 08, 2011, 02:16:00 PM

Its time for the USA to set a new trend. One of minding its own freakin business. These are sovereign nations and we have absolutely NO business getting involved.

+ 1

BBF · « **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2011, 08:55:49 AM »

Washington is still waiting for instructions from Tel Aviv

Shu · « **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2011, 10:52:19 AM »

Let Russia, China , Saudi or another country impose the no fly zone. America needs to stay out of it. These people revolted against thier government, they can either accept that or keep fighting. If your going to pick a fight don't run to someone else to finish it for you. Besides the Lybians have for many years said they hated America, now they want us to intervene. So which is it, you hate us or love us? This is their civil war, they didn't ask for help until Ghadfi showed them what tanks and jets looked like. Maybe they should have thought it through. America needs to stay out of this one. Let some one else play policeman.

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2011, 11:24:46 AM »

None of our business. Let the godless ones go at it. I'm fed up wasting tax payers $s on those who hate us. POWDERMAN.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2011, 06:15:52 PM »

Quote from: hillbill on March 08, 2011, 02:21:06 PM

ya reckon we will intervene?id say about 75 percent of obamas biggest fans are anti war liberals.

and maybe some anti-war conservatives? maybe not.

Shu · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2011, 01:35:29 AM »

Looks like it's all most over. The Lybian rebels are losing steam.

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 11, 2011, 03:30:22 AM »

Rebels??? All these protesters and now fighters are well funded and well armed. This is much more than folks just getting a bellyfull and protesting. Big bucks involved here. This whole thing has been well planned and resupplied. POWDERMAN.

Gary G · « **Reply #21 on:** March 11, 2011, 07:42:48 AM »

Quote from: Shu on March 11, 2011, 01:35:29 AM

Looks like it's all most over. The Lybian rebels are losing steam.

It is my understanding that Qaddafi's funds have been frozen and arms shipments have been halted. It may be that he runs out of bullets first.

Shu · « **Reply #22 on:** March 11, 2011, 10:55:53 AM »

PM the difference between protester and rebel is the willingness to shoot. The protesters are being funded by the europeans. The europeans get alot of oil from Lybia.

Gadhafi's known money in the euro market is frozen, I would bet he has enough cash lying around to buy alot more mercanaries.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2011, 11:15:29 AM »

I have been thinking alot of this situation. If the UN is so all fired up about strife in various nations, why doesn't the Un mandates be followed out with nations that are in whatever region? Last I looked, The mediteranean nations are more than equipped enough to handle whatever problems of humanity are going on there, send france, italy,spain, morocco or some other UN members military. We're getting tapped out.