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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2011, 03:53:25 AM »
Oh I can understandjust fine.  I just couldn't figure out how to respond without offending you further.  Now, to the substance of the discussion ...

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2011, 04:37:41 AM »
Oh I can understandjust fine.  I just couldn't figure out how to respond without offending you further.  Now, to the substance of the discussion ...
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2011, 05:34:05 AM »
MERIT PAY  WOULD BE DETERMINED BY  TESTING THE END PRODUCT

that would be  test the studends

oh yes...the unions are against that
we might  find some teachers aren't worth keeping
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2011, 05:55:59 AM »
MERIT PAY  WOULD BE DETERMINED BY  TESTING THE END PRODUCT

that would be  test the studends

oh yes...the unions are against that
we might  find some teachers aren't worth keeping
what if the students tested were low achievers and could care less about schools or tests.Some schools groups students as to their abilities. What about their test scores?

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2011, 06:33:34 AM »
Fine, throw out the lows and the highs and just base it on average... Not that hard.  Or start random teacher observations by the principal or whoever.  Also, everyone in the school know who the good teachers are and who the bad/slacker teachers are.  Over the years it's very obvious.

Yep, the teachers are going to have to try to get a raise, be noticed above their peers for their effort.  Wow, that's starting to sound like the real world....
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2011, 06:43:45 AM »
MERIT PAY  WOULD BE DETERMINED BY  TESTING THE END PRODUCT

that would be  test the studends

oh yes...the unions are against that
we might  find some teachers aren't worth keeping
what if the students tested were low achievers and could care less about schools or tests.Some schools groups students as to their abilities. What about their test scores?


what about  it????
who cares....don't waste time on the loosers
uneducated  mexicans are  taking jobs  some how
there is  no perfect  test....but its better than continueing to blindly shell out money
 WITH OUT SOME ACCOUNTABILITY

expell those students that don't care or try
they are a waste of my tax dollars anyway
i  ONLY  want to educate  those that will pay  lots into the social security system
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2011, 07:04:38 AM »
MERIT PAY  WOULD BE DETERMINED BY  TESTING THE END PRODUCT

that would be  test the studends

oh yes...the unions are against that
we might  find some teachers aren't worth keeping
what if the students tested were low achievers and could care less about schools or tests.Some schools groups students as to their abilities. What about their test scores?
Did you not read my post?

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2011, 07:38:52 AM »
As important as your posts are- I would also like to hear the opinions of others.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2011, 07:48:40 AM »
I would say something like this:

Wanted: Self motivated, eloquent, intelligent individual who is a team player and willing to work hard 8 months a year for 12 months pay.  All weekends and holidays off.
This that I do, I do by my own free will.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2011, 09:02:44 AM »
As important as your posts are- I would also like to hear the opinions of others.
It's difficult to tell because you keep asking the same question.  If I ask, "what's 2+2?" and the next couple of posts say "4" then it would be reasonable to assume that I am either illiterate or not reading if I asked the same question a couple of posts later. 

I'll ignore the chippy response above, I'm sure you're frustrated.  Several people have given versions of the same answer.  Now how about you tell us what you think should be done to protect our tax dollars from being wasted on lazy lockstep raised and tenured workers?

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2011, 09:10:21 AM »
Tell you what I'm gonna do. I tired of fencing with you so I'm putting you on ignore. Enjoy your life.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2011, 09:15:52 AM »
You are going to have to forgive our liberal friends, they are having a tough time of it lately.  They are not used to having things not go their way.  Going to be a long row to hoe for them....
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2011, 09:21:39 AM »
School vouchers are at least a partical solution. It will also increase the demand for teachers in the private sector and draw them away from the public sector. Tax payers should not be held hostage by a state system.

There's really been very little teacher bashing going on. There has been bashing about unreasonable salaries, benefits and pensions of those working in the public sector. Thats the ones that tax payers pay for. I have yet to see a post bashing teachers at private schools.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2011, 09:42:30 AM »
The problem I see with school vouchers is, I think that the taxpayer will end up paying for both the public school and the private school. I know where I live, the public school is responsible to bus the private school students and the tax payers pay for that. Even the ones who chose to send their children to public schools.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2011, 09:44:35 AM »
The entire system needs institutional/fundimental change.

I 100% agree with you there.The question is how?

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2011, 09:56:55 AM »
Here is my method to getting rid of bad teachers. The following is how the state I worked in got rid of bad teachers. It took them several years to get tenure. During those years they were observed several times unannounced by the principal, curriculum director and the superintendent. If they received 2 unsatisfactory ratings in a row, they were fired. After receiving tenure; we were observed several times a year. Some were 10 min drop ins and some were for the entire period. If we received 2 unsatisfactory rating in a row- we got our walking papers. Union or no union. The administration had to build a case showing either incompetence, illegal or immoral. I know of sever teachers that have been fired over the years I worked. I don't know how tenure works in other states. I know tenure for a college professor is totally different than state teachers in my state. So , In my state, it there are bad teachers- it's because the administration isn't doing it's job. Maybe it's time people got after the administration to get rid of bad teachers. Again, I speak of my state and don't know of others.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2011, 09:59:12 AM »
They will only pay for both if the teachers union have thier way in the continued hostage situation over the tax payers.
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2011, 10:01:57 AM »
Why would anyone WANT to teach in this day and age? ...................  There is NO way I would be a teacher in public schools today...............


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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2011, 10:21:43 AM »
Well in Wisconsin because of collective bargaining and the union corruption, a teacher who was busted for downloading porn on a school computer didn't loose his job until it went all the way to the state supreme court.

You literally cannot fire a teacher here for poor performance or even down right incompetetence.  They just get the same raise as everyone else and pension to boot...
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2011, 10:24:30 AM »
............ I know where I live, the public school is responsible to bus the private school students and the tax payers pay for that. Even the ones who chose to send their children to public schools.

I can't speak for any States or Provinces however I pay property tax which contain money for schools. I pay them whether I have kids or not. People that use private schools do pay into school bus use the same as those that don't need them or not have kids.
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2011, 10:26:17 AM »
Well in Wisconsin because of collective bargaining and the union corruption, a teacher who was busted for downloading porn on a school computer didn't loose his job until it went all the way to the state supreme court.

You literally cannot fire a teacher here for poor performance or even down right incompetetence.  They just get the same raise as everyone else and pension to boot...

I can't understand why a tax payer would bash the compensation package and excessive union employment Rights of a public school teacher!!
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2011, 10:37:15 AM »
Well in Wisconsin because of collective bargaining and the union corruption, a teacher who was busted for downloading porn on a school computer didn't loose his job until it went all the way to the state supreme court.

You literally cannot fire a teacher here for poor performance or even down right incompetence.  They just get the same raise as everyone else and pension to boot...
The computers in the districts in my county have protective filters that prevent going into sites such as those. Funny story- one of our phicics teachers created his own web site. He had all kinds of material pertaining to his subject. This guy would make a preacher appear loose of morals. When he went to download his site, the filter came up saying-[ access denied, PORN] He got so upset that he notified higher administration so he could keep his job. It seems the filter searches out key words and his title set the filter off. lol

I can't understand why a tax payer would bash the compensation package and excessive union employment Rights of a public school teacher!!
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There is collective bargaining in my state and teachers get fired. I can see why people get upset in cases like that. We had a young teacher using the computer in an inappropriate way. He was gone in days.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2011, 11:00:58 AM »
Well in Wisconsin because of collective bargaining and the union corruption, a teacher who was busted for downloading porn on a school computer didn't loose his job until it went all the way to the state supreme court.

You literally cannot fire a teacher here for poor performance or even down right incompetetence.  They just get the same raise as everyone else and pension to boot...

....and I believe this to be the norm. I hear so many stories of teachers committing gross negligence and not getting fired. It costs school districts a lot of money to fight a case in trying to get a teacher fired that they don't bother most of the time, because of the cost, and because of the chance they can actually get the teacher fired. 

XD you keep asking what can be done, and people have given you very good answers, but I believe you don't want to hear them because, it would involve getting rid of the teacher unions. Is that correct? Are you in favor of doing away with the teacher unions, or at least taking away a majority of their power? 
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2011, 11:06:03 AM »
Well in Wisconsin because of collective bargaining and the union corruption, a teacher who was busted for downloading porn on a school computer didn't loose his job until it went all the way to the state supreme court.

You literally cannot fire a teacher here for poor performance or even down right incompetence.  They just get the same raise as everyone else and pension to boot...
The computers in the districts in my county have protective filters that prevent going into sites such as those. Funny story- one of our phicics teachers created his own web site. He had all kinds of material pertaining to his subject. This guy would make a preacher appear loose of morals. When he went to download his site, the filter came up saying-[ access denied, PORN] He got so upset that he notified higher administration so he could keep his job. It seems the filter searches out key words and his title set the filter off. lol

I can't understand why a tax payer would bash the compensation package and excessive union employment Rights of a public school teacher!!
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There is collective bargaining in my state and teachers get fired. I can see why people get upset in cases like that. We had a young teacher using the computer in an inappropriate way. He was gone in days.

Well your unions should be ashamed of themselves!  Treating teachers like that!  It's all about the kids!
They could sure learn a thing or 2 from WEAC....
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2011, 11:11:38 AM »
I know of an IBM computer programer who retired early at 55 in Alabama.  He wanted to teach high school science somewhere in Alabama to hand down his skills he learned.  Alabama wouldn't let him without a teachers degree.  He would have to go back to school to learn stuff like child psycology, etc.  He left and go a job teaching in Oregon which didn't have such requirements.  So, some states require a teachers degree, doesn't matter if you are a rocket scientist from Huntsville, or a civil engineer, or architect.  Can't teach without it.  So, you wonder why kids haven't learned anything for real life.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2011, 11:15:42 AM »
With the teacher lay offs in California and the troubles in Wisconson I would take out adds in their  local papers.
Offering jobs. 
Jobs, Lower taxes, lower housing costs, and involved parents, what more could a teacher ask for.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2011, 11:20:15 AM »

XD you keep asking what can be done, and people have given you very good answers, but I believe you don't want to hear them because, it would involve getting rid of the teacher unions. Is that correct? Are you in favor of doing away with the teacher unions, or at least taking away a majority of their power?
Be careful.  When I said that it got me BLOCKED!!!!!!

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« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2011, 11:24:09 AM »
I know of an IBM computer programer who retired early at 55 in Alabama.  He wanted to teach high school science somewhere in Alabama to hand down his skills he learned.  Alabama wouldn't let him without a teachers degree.  He would have to go back to school to learn stuff like child psycology, etc.  He left and go a job teaching in Oregon which didn't have such requirements.  So, some states require a teachers degree, doesn't matter if you are a rocket scientist from Huntsville, or a civil engineer, or architect.  Can't teach without it.  So, you wonder why kids haven't learned anything for real life.
We had a student teacher who was in his 50's. He was the most brilliant man I ever met. He was a chemist in industry and for the government. His one project was working with various species of cacti because of their Resistance to Fungi. He has many patents. After a few weeks he admitted, this isn't as easy as it looks. He know the material, sometimes too much. He said teaching was the most difficult job he ever had.

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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2011, 11:26:15 AM »
Well in Wisconsin because of collective bargaining and the union corruption, a teacher who was busted for downloading porn on a school computer didn't loose his job until it went all the way to the state supreme court.

You literally cannot fire a teacher here for poor performance or even down right incompetetence.  They just get the same raise as everyone else and pension to boot...

....and I believe this to be the norm. I hear so many stories of teachers committing gross negligence and not getting fired.

Where there is some smoke there is very likly to be a fire. Where there is huge amounts of smoke, there is a fire. Under cover footage has proven that there is a huge facility is San Fransico where hundreds of teachers go that are not fit for the public school system class room. They get paid to hang out and surf the interent while there cases linger on for years in some cases.

The tax payers are not as stupid as the state unions think they are.
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Re: How would you go about hiring hard to find teachers?
« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2011, 12:26:49 PM »
why is it all  or nothing

a teacher  is fired.....or goes on  as nothing happened

not so good teachers might just be in a learning curve

that  is....ok at the job....just  not  real  good
can't they just stay  on probation  at reduced pay.....moved back into an apprentice ship
instaed  of   ''full pay ''  or  ''fired''  being the ONLY  options

why does every teacher  and government employee  get a retirement plan  anyway
are they  ALL  too stupid to save for their own retirement

i am just a lowly uneducated carpenter
[dumped the carpenters union after 12 years over their support of democrats]
yet   with  no retirement plan  i retired  at 53  and doing well
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