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Collective Bargaining is done in Wisconsin!!!
« on: March 09, 2011, 01:31:33 PM »
All budgetary issues were removed from the bill, and it passed 18-1 to basically castrate collective bargaining. 8)

Supposedly one of the donkeys is driving up from Illinois...

Now its really going to get interesting!!!
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 01:46:28 PM »
Excellent!!!
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2011, 02:14:53 PM »
Finally a win for the tax payers. The state worker union blood sucking parasites will need to look for a new host to afix themsleves to.
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2011, 02:17:23 PM »
Yuup, from the Milw. Urinal Sentinel
State Sen. Chris Larson (D-Milwaukee) said Wednesday night he attempted to drive back from Illinois to Madison to get to the Capitol before Republicans passed by an 18-1 margin the modified budget-repair bill that focused on collective bargaining. Correction, The new version passed the Senate 18-1 Wednesday night, with Sen. Dale Schultz (R-Richland Center) casting the no vote. There was no debate

"Right now, I'm trying to figure out what the hell they're going to do," Larson said when reached by telephone as he was driving. "I'm not going to be the 20th vote. This is on the Republicans' heads right now. If they decide to kill the middle class, it's on them."Larson already put me in the poverty class four years ago, along with the rest of his merrymen and governor chromedome the casino lover, so yes TM misery loves company!

The Senate needed 20 members in the chamber to take up the fiscal-part of the budget-repair bill. Democrats had fled the state to block passage of the measure.

"This is a travesty is what it is," Larson said about the vote. "I can't sit by and let them kill the middle class."

Larson said Republicans will pay a political price for curtailing collective bargining for public-sector employees.

"Everyone who is party to this travesty is writing their political obituary," Larson said.Seems he is 3 weeks to late. Shouldn't he be happy that the Republicans and their viscious anti-wisconsin, kid killing, senior stomping, Kochinista, lower than whale dung governor are ruining any remote possibility of re-election ::) If my dad was alive and here now he would say "Boy, wipe that smile off your face."

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2011, 02:20:06 PM »
The liberal clowns wrote their political obituary. They are cowards and the voters will remeber thier little holiday during a crisis.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2011, 02:51:49 PM »
Cabin4, Word has it they are all so wrinkled from sitting in the hot tub, that they upon return to Cheeseville will need skin therapy at taxpayer expense to recover from their stand on the issues for "the kids"

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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2011, 03:06:49 PM »
 :)
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2011, 03:12:13 PM »
Hip Hip Hooray!
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2011, 04:02:38 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2011, 04:55:15 PM »
GOOD DEAL. I hope all the other states follow suit. All unions have grown too big and greedy. They have cost America millions of jobs that have left the country. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2011, 05:48:49 PM »
Madison - The Capitol rotunda is now flooded with protesters.

As protesters streamed in, a man sitting on a chair said, "Welcome to your house."

Fifteen police stood at the front of the Senate chambers.

A sign there read, "Senators leave me my union. Allow me my voice."

Outside, the Capitol Square was ringed by cars beeping horns. Police stood at access points to the square.

Police are at all access points of the square. At 9:30 p.m., people were still walking into the Capitol.

Shortly before 10:30 p.m., Donovan said no arrests had been reported. Donovan said police would not force the estimated 5,000 to 7,000 people in the building to leave, even though he said they were in violation of last week's court order that allowed state officials to control access to the building.

The administration department believes many of the protesters will leave the building Wedneday night - but not all.

He said that police are concentrating their efforts on keeping people safe, rather than forcing them to leave.

People are beating plastic drums and carrying an array of protest signs.

Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz spoke to protesters and was accompanied by the wife of

Sen. Mark Miller's, the Democratic Senate minority leader.

As he held Mrs. Miller's hand, he told the cheering crowd that he was never more proud of his city.

Protesters poured into the Capitol after police stopped guarding at least one entrance and outside doors were opened.

Scott Golueke of Madison said he had watched as demonstrators on the inside of the building attempted to force their way past police to the doors of the State Street entrance of the Capitol. The demonstrators were not using their arms but were attempting to walk through police as the officers attempted to drag them back.

But then the police left and the demonstrators on the inside of the building were able to open the doors, allowing protesters to stream in, he said.

At the State Street entrance, there was no immediate signs the door had been forced or damaged.

Police are currently guarding stairwells to the upper floors of the building.

Tim Donovan, a spokesman for the state Department of Administration, said he had heard reports from police that windows and doors to the building had suffered but had no more specifics immediately. A Journal Sentinel reporter did a full circuit of the building and didn't see any immediately visible damage to any doors.

But Donovan backed off that report a half hour later, saying he personally had walked around the Capitol on the outside and found no evidence of broken glass. A Journal Sentinel reporter also did a full circuit of the building on the inside and didn't see any immediately visible damage to any doors.

Just after 9 p.m. an official in plain clothes removed the handcuffs locking the doors of the King Street entrance from the inside.

The official declined to identify himself to a Journal Sentinel reporter but another State Patrol officer identified the man unlocking the cuffs as a law enforcement officer.

A demonstrator, Matthew Pearson of Madison, said he was glad the doors were being unlocked so people could leave the building in an emergency.

"How are we supposed to get out?" Pearson said.

Meanwhile in Milwaukee, in a Facebook-aided demonstration that started small and then swelled, protesters marched up and down the sidewalk outside the county Courthouse and chanted their displeasure at Republicans who pushed through a bill to deprive many public workers of their bargaining rights.

Protesters in Madison demanded to be let inside the Capitol, and in one scene at the southeastern entrance, scores of protesters pressed against the door as two-dozen police pushed them back.

One protester got partly inside the door and was dragged in by the State Patrol.

Outside, protesters chanted "Let us in," banged drums and blew horns in protest and threw snowballs at windows of the Capitol.

Inside, they yelled "You lied to Wisconsin," and "Kill the Bill."

Matt Gallo, 50, of Madison, a private school teacher, protested the Republicans' quick vote. He stood about 20 feet from the doors of the Senate as pandemonium erupted around him.

"I think it's Machiavellian," he shouted.

"They see the polls that show Walker is in trouble and it's their last attempt to jam this down the peoples' throats."

"I think it's shameless."

Donovan said that the building was scheduled to close at 6 p.m., but when the Senate voted to call a conference committee, members of the public were allowed in.

At 4:30 p.m., about 2,000 people had been allowed in the building, Donovan said. Others came in after. All members of the public had to go through metal detectors.

Earlier, as senators debated the legislation, hundreds inside pressed close to the Senate chambers and whistled loudly and roared their disapproval.

Dozens of police officers guarded the floor of the Senate.

Before a conference committee vote that took place before the Senate convened, one protester was able to get inside the Senate parlor, stood up and yelled:

"Take a moment. Step back from the abyss. Think about what you are doing."

Kristyna Wentz-Graff and Tom Tolan of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.

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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 05:58:55 PM »
Well we can now see how they can fend for themselves after having the luxury of having the taxpayers foot part of their livelihood for all of these years!!
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2011, 03:36:11 AM »
Hmmmmm,

Jimmy Carter got rid of collective bargaining for federal workers decades ago...  I don't seem to see a big backlash on that... And I don't think their is a shortage of filling federal jobs either... Banana Republic, give me a break.  I will take my chances!

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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2011, 03:59:50 AM »
Much like NAFTA, there might be unintended consequences to the passage of this bill.  We'll see what happens next.
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2011, 04:21:11 AM »
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm

Looks like these federal jobs aren't suffering too much without collective bargaining.... :o
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2011, 05:21:21 AM »
OK..so, the unions won't be bargaining to add viagra and things like that anymore on our dollar?

Just wondering

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/02/25/wisconsin-union-collective-bargaining-a-teachers-fundamental-right-to-viagra/

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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2011, 06:03:10 AM »
Funny how all the state union job supporters only care about care about one thing and one thing only: How to line thier pockets with more cash and benefits and the hell with the tax payers and the financial health of the state.
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2011, 06:51:27 AM »
Funny how all the state union job supporters only care about care about one thing and one thing only: How to line thier pockets with more cash and benefits and the hell with the tax payers and the financial health of the state.

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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2011, 04:19:55 PM »
Finally the taxpayers have somebody representing them when it comes to dealing with unionized governmental employees and the union bosses who have lined their pockets at our expense.

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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2011, 04:34:47 PM »
carbieman...

....Soooo congratulations!,,,,you got yourself a little Banana Republic rat there in Madison....LOL on the race to the bottom...Wait it a minute___did you say you're already at the bottom...?  Now it won't be so lonely down there... :D Welcome to Walmartistan....... enjoy it!  :) ;) ;) 8)

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Yuup, TM, I'm still smiling, after three weeks and thousands of protesters screaming at me, my voice has finally been heard for once when dealing with the governmental unionized employees. I'll be happy if I'd save 10 dollars on my taxes. And yes for once it sucks to be a Wisconsin liberal.  And yes this was getting personal as I've worked side by side with unionized governmental employees, and non of them ever got a wind burn on their faces from moving too fast.



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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2011, 05:00:34 PM »
I think that my next vacation will be in WI to thank them for sticking it to the union morons.

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2011, 05:39:25 PM »
I'm even going to consider moving there. Walker is the real deal so far. He said he was going to work on fixing the states budget issue and he is off to an excellant start. Let the criminal state unions scream all they want. The tax payers won and so did morality. Its about time these two had a victory.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2011, 06:28:41 PM »
TM7 wrote <<Welcome to Walmartistan....... enjoy it! >>

And now you cut Walmart down. What twisted conspiracy do you have with that store chain? If it wasn't for Walmart untold numbers of people wouldn't be able to shop affordably and many would be out of a job. Of course if we made the minimum wage $100 per hour we could all live like fat cat Republicrats!

I suppose to catch up with your way of thinking I'm going to have to start listening to George Norrie at night. :D

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2011, 08:36:02 PM »
  "These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland ... They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." --Ronald Reagan, Labor Day Address at Liberty State Park, 1980

  How many of you folks are these overpaid public school teachers I have heard about on Fox News the last few weeks?  Those teachers are pretty tricky...they hide all their money very, very well.

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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2011, 01:54:30 AM »
  "These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland ... They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." --Ronald Reagan, Labor Day Address at Liberty State Park, 1980

  How many of you folks are these overpaid public school teachers I have heard about on Fox News the last few weeks?  Those teachers are pretty tricky...they hide all their money very, very well.

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Now Jim....

Was that before or after Reagan fired all of the unionized trafffic controllers????

Collective bargaining isn't gone it's just been cut down to size.
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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2011, 03:17:56 AM »
CARBINEMAN. I worked for wm 7 1/2 years. They are people users and abusers. You have no idea what all they do to be able to sell their mostly imported stuff for less. Corporate wm and most in mgt are low lifes. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2011, 03:40:31 AM »
I second it; Walker for President.
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2011, 05:10:57 AM »
CARBINEMAN. I worked for wm 7 1/2 years. They are people users and abusers. You have no idea what all they do to be able to sell their mostly imported stuff for less. Corporate wm and most in mgt are low lifes. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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PMan...Exactly!....same kind of people-mind running WalMart are now running Wisconsin, the Big Show, and Walker's mind......LOL.

People of Wisconsin better learn about their CAFRs, understand them, and watch them like hawks, while their computing how tax breaks to elites (75% of Wisconsin corps pay no tax) computes to balancing the budget   ::)  Thusly and Obviously, the ONLY way to make up this planned shortfall is to tax wage earners and 'the little people' and raise property taxes and fees/licenses/tutitions....imo.

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Ok, ok.  When you make a claim like that (75% of Wisconsin corps pay no tax)  you should probably back that up...  Because I must raise the bs flag on this one...
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2011, 06:18:00 AM »
  "These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland ... They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." --Ronald Reagan, Labor Day Address at Liberty State Park, 1980

  How many of you folks are these overpaid public school teachers I have heard about on Fox News the last few weeks?  Those teachers are pretty tricky...they hide all their money very, very well.

Jim

Now Jim....

Was that before or after Reagan fired all of the unionized trafffic controllers????

Collective bargaining isn't gone it's just been cut down to size.

So, we are JUST cutting down freedom? :o

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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2011, 06:23:51 AM »
  Do you realize that I paid more in income taxes twelve years ago than Ford Motor Company did?  I thought it was pretty cool...I grossed a whopping $20,000 and still payed more taxes than a multi-billion dollar corporation!  ...the system has been broke for years.

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