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civil war krupp cannon,
« on: March 13, 2011, 04:13:48 PM »
i know that krupp built breach loading cannons during the civil war.  maybe not used in the american civil war. but i am having trouble finding pic and details on this gun. i believe the 1870 replaced it.  does anyone know where i can find one/???


thanks rick bryan
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 09:20:15 PM »
Hi

is this the one your looking for. Is about 20mins from me so if you need more pics let me know

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,217526.msg1099180076.html#msg1099180076
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2011, 11:11:10 AM »
rick,
   There was a Krupp gun that shot at the fort for a long time, believe it was owned by Carl Jenson. West should have pictures of it in the records.
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2011, 05:05:35 PM »
thanks,  i will see if i can catch robbie when he is at his house. 

rick bryan
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2011, 05:51:10 PM »
After reading Rick's opening post, I thought that there might be a file drawer full of photos and drawings of Krupp's earliest breech-loading field guns available on the net; but evidently not, because I also couldn't turn up so much as a sketch. Well, at least I did manage to find a few more representations of Alfried Krupp's original firecracker cannon. :D

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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2011, 03:30:21 PM »
Thanks, John -

I guess A. Krupp played with really big firecrackers eh?

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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 03:45:24 PM »
really nice pics  lol but i ment the field gun,  some thing that we can actually move with out a crane.
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 09:29:43 PM »
Rick,
You've got to keep positive thoughts flowing, or you're going to develope bad karma.;)  Now, if you could only build some kind of ginormous field carriage, and if you could also somehow talk Bud into borrowing you three hitches of their Clydesdales, to equal 24 of the big fellas, then I think that the XX-large Krupp could possibly be made to function as a field gun (OK, maybe not). ;D

I find it kind of surprising that considering Krupp's rising fame around the mid ninteenth century mark, that there's not a fair amount of existing representations of his early breech-loading field guns; but there ain't (at least not on the Web)! BTW, I haven't thrown the towel in, not just yet.
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2011, 04:47:58 AM »
Is there any chance there might be some drawing in a patent? Was this design patented?

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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2011, 05:58:16 AM »
Rick,  I read that Krupp made field cannons as early as 1850.  The earliest photo that I can find is this link.  There is a model 1870 about half way down the page.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=107333&start=15
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2011, 12:23:53 PM »
yep i think thats it.   i think tho the first model from around 1850 had a wooden carriage.  i thought. but only more reseach i will turn up answers. .   thanks.

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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2011, 12:35:41 PM »
Photos on internet by Ralph Lovett.   
Lovett Artilley Collection: http://lovettartillery.com/index.html

Krupp C-64, 1864




9cm C/1873 Kanone
http://lovettartillery.com/9cm._C_1873_Kanone.html
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2011, 01:07:38 PM »
thats more like it   you are the man!!!  i want to own a repro of that gun.   and shoot it in the n-ssa.
       thanks       

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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2011, 08:53:20 PM »
Another one bit later







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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2011, 05:48:17 AM »
John,

You might want to try http://www.google.de/

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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2011, 11:31:03 PM »
Douglas,
I did try that; that's always a good idea when your looking for something on a foreign person or subject, but I didn't turn anything up on his early field gun models.

sseib,
Checking patents is also a good idea, and I did turn up some of A. Krupp's, but not what we're looking for.
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2011, 12:41:56 AM »
Krupp 8cm field gun
http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgarian%20Artillery%201/Krupp%208cm%20old.htm

Romanian, Krupp Model C/64 with a wood carriage; the number after the C represents the year on these Krupp field guns.


Turkish, Krupp C/64 with steel carriage.




This drawing is from "Die Gezogenen Feldgeschuesse C/61, C/64 und C/64/67 von W. Witte", which translates to: The Drawn Field Guns C-61, C-64 and C-64/67 by W. Witte. The drawing and its source identification are from Ralph Lovett.

Krupp C/64



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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2011, 03:39:29 AM »
Hey Cannoneer,
Are you now the EX Boom J, EX cannoneerX? ;)
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2011, 04:17:36 AM »
I would like to see the broach that cut that breech block hole.

Actually it it would be pretty simple to build a breech like this using Frank deHaas vault lock system

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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2011, 05:10:02 AM »
found it in my " german stuff "  god knows where I got it.
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2011, 08:33:19 AM »
Quote from: Zulu on March 18, 2011, 03:39:29 AM
Hey Cannoneer,
Are you now the EX Boom J, EX cannoneerX? ;)
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Yes my TeXican friend, that is eXactly the way things stand; you might even go so far as to say that I've now even managed to ex the X on the tail end of "CannoneerX." To be more eXact, I should say that it was actually the kindly "Graybeard" who was responsible for niXing that unwelcome X; and by the way, he also happens to be both a scholar and a gentleman (thanks again Bill).  :) :D ;D

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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2011, 03:29:39 PM »
Being 'just' Cannoneer, you're then an ex X or  Dos Equis perhaps?   ;D
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2011, 08:53:36 AM »
The Dos Equis sounds good to me; we could head on out to Houston, and Zulu gets the first round! From what I hear of the Houston summer humidity, we may need a couple cases just to keep ourselves hydrated. :D
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2011, 10:07:26 AM »
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Re: civil war krupp cannon,
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2011, 01:55:59 PM »
Check out the 4th picture from the end on this page: http://www.nmpproducts.com/rt07.htm
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