Why I favor the TEA PARTY..

[Cabin4]

Because they pay your salary with the money they don't pay in tax!

Thats the point. A poor person does not create a job. Only wealth and resulting investment can create jobs.

[Lost Farmboy]

The Tea Party model is the only one that can work.  Pick off republicans in the primaries and replace them with people that respect the constitution and will cut spending.  Third party candidates just can't win in the general elections.

[ironglow]

I think you're righ there Farmboy. Rand Paul, Michelle Bachmann and others got the message early and may be able to capitalize upon it.

[saddlebum]

 
dĭk-tā'tər-shĭp';
Form of government in which one  person or an oligarchy possesses absolute power without effective constitutional checks. With constitutional democracy, it is one of the two chief forms of government in use today. Modern dictators usually use force or fraud to gain power and then keep it through intimidation, terror, suppression of civil liberties, and control of the mass media. In 20th-century Latin America, nationalist leaders often achieved power through the military and attempted either to maintain the privileged elite or to institute far-reaching social reform, depending on their class sympathies. In Europe's communist and fascist dictatorships, a charismatic leader of a mass party used an official ideology to maintain his regime, and terror and propaganda to suppress opposition. In postcolonial Africa and Asia, dictators have often retained power by establishing a one party rule after a military takeover.
(sounds more like the progressive Dem's plan to me)

doo-OP-uh-lee;
A market, political, or other situation where the control is in the hands of two persons or groups.

ox·y·mo·ron;
a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”........Or, "Dictatorship of the Duopoly"

"The new TP supports tax exemption for the aristo-oligarchs, and tax shifting unto themselves."
Care to show us any official report of any kind that the TP has ever supported such a claim?
I personally have  never heard the term, "tax exemption" , for the rich in connection with TP outcry.

".......and tax shifting unto themselves."
Nor have I ever heard the TP demand more taxes on themselves. In fact, just the opposite!
Again, the burden of proof of your claims is on you!

The TP idea is to STOP GOVERNMENT SPENDING, and thereby lower taxes for everyone and get your friends off welfare and create jobs by not taxing industry to death or going overseas.

Maybe you have some form of Dyslexia?...............It's a shame........................

[Cabin4]

The modern TP is the opposite of the original TP.

THe old TP protested unfair taxation by aristocrats/oligarchs and questioned a whole bunch of things of these rulers.

The new TP supports tax exemption for the aristo-oligarchs, and tax shifting unto themselves. The new TP never questions the actions and motives of the aristo-oligarchs and secretized governmnet...they promote them and perpetual war and are a mere front for THE Dictatorship of the Duopoly.

Its ashame.
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....TM7
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Its amazing just how uninformed you are and just how rediculous this description of the Tea Party is. You have no idea what your talking about. Thats the real shame.

[torpedoman]

  I agree much with Libertarians, except that I also agree with Jesus Christ and Libertarians have trouble with moral/spiritual issues.  They seem to want to ignore the spiritual side, which (IMO) is at least 50% of anyone's makeup, whether they want to admit it or not .

Libertarian here and i don't have any problems with religion and none that i know do. you can worship any god you prefer to just don't interferer when i want to worship mine . This is the whole thing about libertarians you do anything you want as long as it does not harm anyone else and of course you have to recognize that the other guy has the same rights.

[powderman]

Its amazing just how uninformed you are and just how rediculous this description of the Tea Party is. You have no idea what your talking about. Thats the real shame.



CABIN4. And that is a very accurate asessment. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

The modern TP is the opposite of the original TP.

THe old TP protested unfair taxation by aristocrats/oligarchs and questioned a whole bunch of things of these rulers.

The new TP supports tax exemption for the aristo-oligarchs, and tax shifting unto themselves. The new TP never questions the actions and motives of the aristo-oligarchs and secretized governmnet...they promote them and perpetual war and are a mere front for THE Dictatorship of the Duopoly.

Its ashame.
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....TM7
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  ...TM..you know better than that !

  The Tea Party of 1773 was making a stand against unreasonable taxes (for anybody) and a wilful, tyrannical leader  (king George III or King Barack..you choose.)

[Casull]

Exactly...re-read what I wrote.

Well, I did.  It made my head hurt.

exemption of taxes for the Oligarchs Corporacrats

Example?

want taxes put on themselves

Example?

weird twist of logic

Sure does describe your posts.

[saddlebum]

@TM7

Sometimes I just have to remind myself you are a really sick person, and just walk away................

[nw_hunter]

Casull,,,,you must live in a vacuum and current events blacked out area; or totally lack synthesis of news and events.  Do your own research.

.TM7
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TM! Sadly to most Republicans and Democrats the definition of RESEARCH is...........Turn on the tube, and watch Fox or MSNBC.
It takes time and numbs the brain to do your own research, while Fox and others are quite eager to do it for you.

Before GORE invented the internet we had little choice, and now that all this info is available to us, most still use the tube  to educate themselves.

The Tea party was hijacked and doomed within the first few weeks of it's infancy.
What's that old saying?................Oh yea! "If you can't beat em join em" It didn't take the established GOP long to jump on board. Now it's just business as usual!

[yellowtail3]

  I agree much with Libertarians, except that I also agree with Jesus Christ and Libertarians have trouble with moral/spiritual issues.

TRANSLATION: "Those Libertarians just don't buy into the anti-gay, anti-abortion theme that is the membership credo of so many who POLITICALLY identify themselves as Christians"

[dukkillr]

  I agree much with Libertarians, except that I also agree with Jesus Christ and Libertarians have trouble with moral/spiritual issues.

TRANSLATION: "Those Libertarians just don't buy into the anti-gay, anti-abortion theme that is the membership credo of so many who POLITICALLY identify themselves as Christians"

Some of us are capable of personally believing something without requiring that others do.  Actually, for me, that's what freedom is really about, and what "limited government" is, or should be, about.  But some are still trying to ride "freedom" to their ultimate goal, a Christian theocracy.

[saddlebum]

Casull,,,,you must live in a vacuum and current events blacked out area; or totally lack synthesis of news and events.  Do your own research.

.TM7
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TM! Sadly to most Republicans and Democrats the definition of RESEARCH is...........Turn on the tube, and watch Fox or MSNBC.
It takes time and numbs the brain to do your own research, while Fox and others are quite eager to do it for you.

Before GORE invented the internet we had little choice, and now that all this info is available to us, most still use the tube  to educate themselves.

The Tea party was hijacked and doomed within the first few weeks of it's infancy.
What's that old saying?................Oh yea! "If you can't beat em join em" It didn't take the established GOP long to jump on board. Now it's just business as usual!

Sadly, many people's idea of research is to just find something that supports their own prejudice instead of finding and accepting the truth, which has no agenda. No matter where it comes from or how unsubstantiated the claims may be. In other words, they believe it because they want to. Not because it's the truth.

[Cabin4]

TM,
You don't know anything about the modern day Tea Party focus or its members.

What we do know is what the current parties are about and what they stand for. The Democrat Party, Obama, Liberals, Socialists and Communists hate the Tea Party and its members. For good reason, becasue the Tea Party stand firmly against what those groups stand for.

Can we assume your association based on this known hatred and your hatered for the Tea Party? I think so.

[saddlebum]

SB: 

Sadly, many people's idea of research is to just find something that supports their own prejudice instead of finding and accepting the truth, which has no agenda. No matter where it comes from or how unsubstantiated the claims may be. In other words, they believe it because they want to. Not because it's the truth.

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I mean this seriously....above is very much a 'thought police' idea.....enforced subordination to some uber truth authority or idol....that you think you happen to be on the mainline with...


This country is suppose to be a free country, with free exchange of ideas....let's try to keep it that way.


TM7
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Postmodernism and 'relative truth' at it's finest.....Again, truth has no agenda. It is what it is, whether we agree with it or not. You are either in the truth or you are not!

[Cabin4]

There's also those that spread lies and deceit.

[ironglow]

  I agree much with Libertarians, except that I also agree with Jesus Christ and Libertarians have trouble with moral/spiritual issues.

TRANSLATION: "Those Libertarians just don't buy into the anti-gay, anti-abortion theme that is the membership credo of so many who POLITICALLY identify themselves as Christians"

  Yellow;
    Don't be so arrogant that you think you can translate what I said ! What you just did is no more than providing YOUR TRANSLATION..just to propagate a lie..GROW UP !
  Read the statement again...DUH!  I said I don't agree with them..I in no way said anyone else was required to disagree with them.
  Hereafter, please feel free to "translate" your own statements...not mine !

[Casull]

TM and NW, despite your attacks, I'm STILL waiting for an example of the TP wanting to exempt the "Oligarchs Corporacrats" (whatever that is) from taxation and increase taxation on themselves.  So either droolingly rant some more or provide examples.   

[Cabin4]

You'll be waiting a long time. He does not know what he's talking about.

[saddlebum]

Same old story.......Throw a bomb and run............All I've ever seen of tm is the back of his head.......

[dukkillr]

TM and NW, despite your attacks, I'm STILL waiting for an example of the TP wanting to exempt the "Oligarchs Corporacrats" (whatever that is) from taxation and increase taxation on themselves.  So either droolingly rant some more or provide examples.   

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Read your tax tables and tax history, and the many frequent post here on taxation. Then read the corpo sponsored rants of C4. Tune in to Boehner and the TP fronting for no corp tax..that equals a tax shift to common individuals. Where have you been....? There's several tax threads already in this forum.  BTW-- You pay attention to the battle cry in Wisconsin...?...

The TP is essentially without a clue now....no wonder C4 et al like them so much as a corp front, and islamophobic pressure group.....


..TM7

You've really dialed up the tinfoil talk in the last couple of posts.  I can't speak for anyone besides myself, but I find it hard to take anyone seriously when they use such language.  I can only assume that you want to be taken seriously...

But specifically you've got two actual ideas here, at least I think:

That:

Tune in to Boehner and the TP fronting for no corp tax

And:

..that equals a tax shift to common individuals

First:
I'm filtering for drama and TFH-Talk - You believe the TP wants zero corporate tax.  I think that's probably true, and it makes sense.  All corporate taxes are actually personal taxes through a filter.  That money that is paid by the business MUST eventually go elsewhere, be it investment, expenses, or investors.  I suspect you are smart enough to know this, and you secretly like that a business tax functionally becomes an additional taxes on stock holders who tend to be wealthy (and thus party to your TFH-conspiracies). 

Second:
TFH/Drama filter - You think reducing or eliminating taxes on businesses will "shift" tax burdens away from the investors who tend to be wealthy and onto "common individuals".  There is a huge point that you are missing here.  You are assuming that the TP wants tax revenues and government expenditures to remain static.  I feel confortable saying that you are simply wrong here.  No one in Washington is working for lower govt spending other than the TP people.  Their answer is not to shift the burden, it's to eliminate it.  Lost revenue X does not get shifted to the middle class, it gets eliminated, and corresponding cuts in spending are made.  That is the theory.  Can they honestly do that?  Who knows?  We'll see.  I hope.

To the extent that businesses don't pay taxes and can influence government with unlimted campaign contributions, I actually agree with you.  While I understand the SCOTUS ruling and it's reasoning, it does concern me that influence can be shifted so dramatically.  It's not that I am concerned about the fairness, or constitutionality of it, but I am concerned about the stability of our system, and the reality that there is a tipping point by which harmony will not be maintained.  Those are two seperate questions though, "Is it fair?"  and "Is it going to work long term?". 

Finally, to the points made above, the Tea Party appears to have a limited lifespan to me as well.  What started as a limited government and fiscal responsiblity movement is increasingly being attacked by the old guard "social policy" Republicans.  The ones who tend to be of the Christian Theocracy movement.  There was incredible pressure during this last budget battle around Planned Parenthood, NPR, gay marriage, obamacare, etc...  Fortunately the focus of the budget debate managed to stay somewhat on the budget debate, but I'm worried that won't last.  When the TP people cave to pressure from those Republicans they will have simply become the far right wing of the Republican Party, and their energy will be lost.

[Casull]

Where have you been....?

Well TM, since you ask, for the past 20 years, with the exception of the last year, I've been preparing quarterly corporate tax returns, annual individual and corporate income tax returns and occasionally delving into real estate tax protests.  Soooo, when you tell me to

Read your tax tables and tax history

I have to laugh a little.  When it comes to taxes, I deal with tax codes and hard numbers, not your tinfoil hat spin on facts and childish attempts to create a new language to prove your relevance.  As Duk so clearly demonstrated above, you simply either do not understand the TP's tax agenda, or you purposely distort it to create yet another conspiracy.  Just between you and me, I'm betting on the latter.

[jimster]

The only Tea Party things I ever saw were in Michigan, seemed like a real nice bunch of people who were mostly ex political party people, conservative (which of course is always good), and they cleaned up after each other and respected the gathering place. I do not know who represents them...I would think nobody does, I also agree that many republicans do not like these conservatives because they are not really very conservative in the first place.  Democrats, naturally don't like anyone who would stop any spending at all, last 60 years they have had no ideas at all on stopping spending and had control of congress most of those years as well...they are pretty much bound to spend and tax, it's their business and livelyhood. 

Said it before, the "Tea Party" did rather well coming from nowhere and actually gaining some ground in an election...they did a whole lot better than the other two parties did given the circumstances and time and money they had, which wasn't much.  This should tell us all that you have no chance of ever getting anything fixed under republicans or democrats.  We all know it, hard to admit it maybe.  Some conservatives say there is no chance but through the republicans...this last election should have told you there just might be with some effort.

Tea Party may not last, it was just a group of people that had enough of everything, but you can bet they are not liked because they did rather well...without much money either. 

[Lost Farmboy]

I think the Tea Party is a grassroots group of people are sick of what government has been doing for the last 20 years and want to take it back.  These are the people Nixon called the silent majority.  They are so fed up they are silent no more.

There is no organization, because it's springing up spontaneously across America.  The establishment of republicans and democrats are very afraid.  Both parties ridicule and demonize the Tea Party.  Factions of the republicans are trying very hard to hijack the movement.

If you want to save our country find and support local Tea Party candidates and hold them accountable.

( PS cool it you guys your going to get this tread locked up too)

[Cabin4]

You'll be waiting a long time. He does not know what he's talking about.

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When all else fails go direct to personal ridicule....the C4 method....cheap and easy.

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 Re: Why I favor the TEA PARTY..
« Reply #53 on: Today at 12:28:53 PM »QuoteTM,
You don't know anything about the modern day Tea Party focus or its members.

What we do know is what the current parties are about and what they stand for. The Democrat Party, Obama, Liberals, Socialists and Communists hate the Tea Party and its members. For good reason, becasue the Tea Party stand firmly against what those groups stand for.

Can we assume your association based on this known hatred and your hatered for the Tea Party? I think so.

This is just more useless sniping devoid of analysis or facts...an aimless troll's plea for the unitiated to buy into the corpo-TP based on C4's ridicule; and the fact he trys to link analysis of the TP up with hatred...about as cheap a shot as there is when someone's opinion doesn't match his, but all to common. The TP is done...it has nothing to do with the TP of 1776 and people have figured this out.The name needs to be changed out of respect for our history and ancestors...to the People's Corpo Enforcement Leaque...or something like that.

You may return to watching FOXy News now...

..TM7
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Your the one doing the sniping. You give us your facts about the TP.

[ironglow]

I think the Tea Party is a grassroots group of people are sick of what government has been doing for the last 20 years and want to take it back.  These are the people Nixon called the silent majority.  They are so fed up they are silent no more.

There is no organization, because it's springing up spontaneously across America.  The establishment of republicans and democrats are very afraid.  Both parties ridicule and demonize the Tea Party.  Factions of the republicans are trying very hard to hijack the movement.

If you want to save our country find and support local Tea Party candidates and hold them accountable.

( PS cool it you guys your going to get this tread locked up too)

  Excellent post...and all very true.
 
   Neither the Rep or Dem party establishment hacks like the Tea Party..because the Tea Party will call them on their lying and double-talk.. moreover, the Tea Party will hold them accountable with the voters.

   Let's face it, both major party monkeys want to keep on spending, spending and spending...It's as if they have no idea that they can and may very well break the nation with their stupid SPENDING.  Thery are like crack-heads in their addiction..

[billy_56081]

I have to say Dukk said it well and perfectly.

TM how about you explain this wonderful plsn you have if the ideas af the Tea Party are so bad. I guess I have no issue with lower taxes for both individuals and corporations myself. Smaller government is that a bad thing?

Well TM the ball is in your court, tell us, tell us all how this country should be run. Here is your stage speak to us, convince us that we are all wrong and you are right. Go for it.

[Cabin4]

Tea Party Patriots Mission Statement and Core Values


Mission Statement
The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.


Core Values
•Fiscal Responsibility
•Constitutionally Limited Government
•Free Markets


Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.

Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states' rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.

Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government's interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.


Our Philosophy
Tea Party Patriots, Inc. as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted "unalienable rights" by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual. As an organization we do not take stances on social issues. We urge members to engage fully on the social issues they consider important and aligned with their beliefs.

[Lost Farmboy]

Glad to see this thread going back to a more positive direction.