Author Topic: Handi Rifle Tech Tip # 1 (Read 2477 times)

watkibe · « **on:** March 20, 2011, 11:26:50 AM »

Placing a 223 Remington cartridge into a 357 Maximum chambered barrel will cause surprise, confusion, and bewilderment, but thankfully, no smoke or fire. When you finally find the cartridge and read the barrel stamp, embarrassment ensues. Removing the Maxi barrel and gently tapping the breech end on a padded bench causes the 223 to fall out. No harm, no foul.

DO NOT ask me how I know this. Thank you.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2011, 12:51:11 PM »

No harm

, no foul

, glad your okay!

Notice I didn't ask.

Goatwhiskers · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2011, 01:57:58 PM »

As an old German once told me: "ve get too zoon oldt, undt too late schmart". I have found this to be very true. Goatwhiskers the Elder

gcrank1 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 20, 2011, 02:32:09 PM »

Let me guess......
First there is that quiet, empty feeling; oh no! I am now experiencing the dreaded FTF syndrome....

Troyboy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2011, 04:26:54 PM »

Wow that was close. Glad it all worked out could have been a really bad learning experience. " Measure twice cut once" Hmmmmmmm

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2011, 06:10:55 PM »

How 'bout a picture of your fireformed case?

Jim

bikerbeans · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2011, 02:52:29 AM »

watkibe,

Your post implies the 223 round did not go bang. Is that because it was incorrectly headspaced or you didn't pull the trigger?

BB

3leggedturtle · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2011, 06:16:37 PM »

I did the opposite had 357 lever i was shooting, got to the 4 or 5th round and it jammed. Turns out I had an empty 223 case in my pocket with the loaded 357 ammo. Took a little wiggling and prying to get it out.

watkibe · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:23:59 PM »

Quote from: bikerbeans on March 21, 2011, 02:52:29 AM

watkibe,

Your post implies the 223 round did not go bang. Is that because it was incorrectly headspaced or you didn't pull the trigger?

BB

That's right, no bang. The 223 case seemed like it disappeared; it went in so far that I thought I had dropped it on the ground or something. Only when I put my eye up close to look straight down the breech did I see the cartridge. There was a "GROSS" excessive headspace problem, lol. The firing pin would have to be an inch long to reach the primer.

thejanitor · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:23:25 AM »

We were at the range a few years back and my buddy with his college age son were shooting one a .270 win, the other a .260 Rem..... .260 goes off in a .270 pump remington but it takes a cleaning rod to get it out. Kid didn't understand what happened (other than he thought his .270 jammed) until they were one .260 brass short when picking up brass. (one fired brass was stuck in the chamber until they got home.)
That was scary when you think about it. Just not paying attention and having a couple open shell boxes on the bench..... Didn't hurt the gun but I always worry more about losing a friend than a gun. WAKE UP CALL- thejanitor

petemi · « **Reply #10 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:58:11 AM »

That is spooky. I worry about .308, 7mm-08, 7.62x39 and .30-30 getting confused. I'm very careful about it.

I knew a guy that had a 20 ga. shot shell dropped in a 12 ga., loaded and fired a .12 ga. over it and lived through it. That's another thing I keep a close watch on. I keep all ammo seperated by caliber and plainly marked.

Pete

parkergunshop · « **Reply #11 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:24:07 AM »

A local plumber lost a hand this past fall.

Reason, he kept his 12 guage double in his shop loaded and grabbed it up to shoot at a coyote. Dirt Daubers had built a nest wih mud in the barrel and it spit open at the foreend where his hand was.

Wrong ammo can easily lead to a barrel obstruction, particularly a 20 guage shell in a 12 guage shotgun.

About 10,000 PSI in his shotgun caused the loss of a hand, in a different action type than a solid breech shotgun, the blowout or blowback could have been to the rear in the shooters face particulary with 50,000 plus PSI.

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #12 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:34:57 AM »

Dad went out before deer season to check the zero on his 270 and mom's 308.
He chambered a .308 in his .270 by mistake.
He thought the bolt closed a little tough....
Not knowing what had happened, he fired it!
He thought it sounded funny and he was upset that he didn't hit his 100 yard target.
When he was unable to get the bolt back open he figured out what went wrong.

Nothing blew up on his Remington bolt, but the gun smith had a little work to do.

LUCKY!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:45:19 AM »

How about a 7.62x39 in a 243 Ultra!

Locked the action up, short version outcome..... he sent it to H&R, the underlug was damaged, they put a new accessory barrel on it and sent it back to him.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,70638.msg433117.html#msg433117

gcrank1 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 22, 2011, 12:02:50 PM »

Now Im getting a little worried $:-\$ ,
think I'll take up golf........

Ten Ring · « **Reply #15 on:** March 22, 2011, 01:01:46 PM »

Last year at the deer camp one of my friends ask me if I would help his 14yr. old son with his shooting. We have a 200 hundred yard rang at the campsite. The young man told me his 30-06 had been shooting good but he had missed an 8 pointer that morning. I suggested we start at 50yds.. The rifle was put in my lead sled and he fired at the target. It sounded funny and didn't hit the target. I thought I saw dirt fly short of the target. I ask him what ammo he was using and when I looked at the brass it was Rem. 270Win. After a long talk on what could happen when shooting the wrong ammo from a gun not chambered for it we shot a 1 1/2 3 shot group with 30-06 ammo.
Jim

ihookem · « **Reply #16 on:** March 22, 2011, 01:43:32 PM »

This is why I got rid of my 30-06. We all shoot the .270 Win. at camp. I got shell mixed up once and sold one.

thejanitor · « **Reply #17 on:** March 22, 2011, 06:03:05 PM »

Quote from: gcrank1 on March 22, 2011, 12:02:50 PM

Now Im getting a little worried $:-\$ ,
think I'll take up golf........

But the plaid shorts...... Really Golf? thejanitor

jedman · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:15:23 AM »

Hey, I play golf and like everyday life there are hazards on and around the golf course.
I have been stung by ground bees while trying to find my ball, Had a nesting female Canada goose fly up and land on my back and give me a thrashing with her wings, all the while my partners laughed there a$$'s off. Plus I have been hit in the knee, forearm and other places by other peoples balls, it just ain't safe no wheres. Jed

bikerbeans · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:39:59 AM »

Quote from: thejanitor on March 22, 2011, 06:03:05 PM

Quote from: gcrank1 on March 22, 2011, 12:02:50 PM
Now Im getting a little worried $:-\$ ,
think I'll take up golf........

But the plaid shorts...... Really Golf? thejanitor

gcrank,

we all want to see pics of you in your new duds!

BB

petemi · « **Reply #20 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:51:37 AM »

When you're golfing, ya need a Handi in you're bag. I knew a guy that was attacked by a nesting female gator at a water hazard in Florida. Up here, at a golf course in Newberry, MI, which is really in town, a local merchant and two friends were on the course on a Sunday morning. A wolf appeared carrying a squirming and squealing fawn. They hollered, yelled, threw clubs and golf balls. The wolf dropped the fawn and ran, but they were too late to save the fawn.....now a .233 in the golf bag may have worked.

Yeah, I wanna see the plaid shorts too.

Pete

gcrank1 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 23, 2011, 05:46:51 AM »

Guys, Im sorry to have to dissappoint you, no plaid shorts for me, nope, no way.
You see, in my 'mixed bag 'o heritage' Im part Scot, so its a kilt for me!

thejanitor · « **Reply #22 on:** March 23, 2011, 07:09:34 AM »

Quote from: gcrank1 on March 23, 2011, 05:46:51 AM

Guys, Im sorry to have to dissappoint you, no plaid shorts for me, nope, no way.
You see, in my my 'mixed bag 'o heritage' Im part Scot, so its a kilt for me!

There will be no dis-respecting the kilt from me, but GOLF? Just kidding, I really enjoy the game, Nothing like a good walk in the woods...... kind of like helping the kids find easter eggs.

If I want to spend my day looking for something I am supposed to know where it went I will just look for a tool in the garage. thejanitor

XD40SC · « **Reply #23 on:** March 23, 2011, 08:25:28 AM »

I once shot a 38/55 round in a 45/70 barrel. Made a funny looking case.

watkibe · « **Reply #24 on:** March 23, 2011, 07:23:44 PM »

talk about a thread hijacking, lol ! GOLF !?!

I was with my brother when he had a 41 mag and a 44 mag, (both Blackhawks) and ammo for both, on the bench at the same time.
Yes, the 41 does chamber and fire in the 44. No, the shell does not eject on its own, lol. He never would tell me exactly what it took to get that repaired...

Kid with 270 Weatherby goes in gunstore, asks for box of 270 ammo. Based on that info, of course the clerk sells him 270 Winchester. It chambered and fired all right, but that's where the all right ended. The kid lost the rifle and an eye.

bikerbeans · « **Reply #25 on:** March 24, 2011, 01:33:53 AM »

Quote from: watkibe on March 23, 2011, 07:23:44 PM

talk about a thread hijacking, lol ! GOLF !?!

I was with my brother when he had a 41 mag and a 44 mag, (both Blackhawks) and ammo for both, on the bench at the same time.
Yes, the 41 does chamber and fire in the 44. No, the shell does not eject on its own, lol. He never would tell me exactly what it took to get that repaired...

Kid with 270 Weatherby goes in gunstore, asks for box of 270 ammo. Based on that info, of course the clerk sells him 270 Winchester. It chambered and fired all right, but that's where the all right ended. The kid lost the rifle and an eye.

why are you posting about guns on gcrank's golf thread?

BB

gcrank1 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 24, 2011, 05:09:51 AM »

My apologies for making the reference

,
and the follow-up

,
I think I'll go into the inner-sanctum now and see what fits in what it shouldnt.
"Who knows what evil lurks........."

thejanitor · « **Reply #27 on:** March 29, 2011, 06:57:22 AM »

Sorry... This is how my days go just doing my thing and out of the blue - Bunny trail. And away I go. - thejanitor

Couger · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2011, 09:20:41 AM »

Quote from: petemi

That is spooky. I worry about .308, 7mm-08, 7.62x39 and .30-30 getting confused. I'm very careful about it.

I knew a guy that had a 20 ga. shot shell dropped in a 12 ga., loaded and fired a .12 ga. over it and lived through it. That's another thing I keep a close watch on. I keep all ammo seperated by caliber and plainly marked. Pete

I started hunting about 1970ish, which is also about the time the U.S. ammp makers all adopted the convention of using YELLOW paper or plastic when manufacturing new TWENTY GAUGE ammo. I remember in the hunter safety course I took at Fort Ord as a fifth grader, that specific danger was explained of having a left-over 20ga shell in one's pocket if they were shooting 12gagg.

Even as a 10y.o. I understood the whole "No-No!"

Some years later I figured out that many times the 12ga would simple shove the 20ga round down and out the bore, not always damaging the 12 gauge. Just a 'bad shell' that really kicked hard.

But it was when the 20gauge also detonated still in that barrel along with 12gauge pressures that things came apart! Never knew anyone who personally did that nor knew anyone who knew someone else who did. Thankfully!

Also I worked as a sporting goods clerk in a SG store where one of our cutomers bought some WRONG ammo for his Browning BAR rifle in 7mm Mag. This was when Remington remarketed the .280 as the '7mm Express.' Sadly the customer bought the wrong shell, even after he was told what to "be sure to check for" before firing a round.

He didn't hurt himself - his rifle went BANG, didn't come apart, but he still ruined the gun.