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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2011, 04:33:33 AM »
  When you look at that first article, it leaves little doubt in one's mind as to who the "rebels' in Libya may in a great part, be composed of.  When one of the chief advisers to Obama on the subject,  has been the immediate assistant to one of the original Islamic terrorists (Arafat), the evidence is very strong..

  TM;
      I think we can agree that there is an overarching drive toward a "New World Order"...  As I see it, where we disagree is just who is leading the drive toward making the whole world a slave state.  While (*IMO) you seem to think it is some clandestine organizations such as the  Bilderbergers, Illuminati, Trilateral commission, Club of Rome etc..I am inclined to believe the culprits are "hiding in plain sight".
    I believe the NWO drive comes from certain  very wealthy individuals..such as Soros and 2-3 others who shall not be named here, but probably everyone here knows well the names of..
  They are enabled by the entire left wing , with varying amounts of enthusiasm..there could be some RINOS in that group also.  We need not look for deeper conspiracies, because they are operating right out in the open.  One only need do a web search for Soros' pet groups...  Center for Responsive politics...The democracy alliance..and the ..Open Society Policy Center..
  While I realize certain multi-millionaires combat the Soros efforts...I view them as comparable in function to the Texans stand in the Alamo.
       If Soros gets his "Open Society" principles adopted, our world will be in complete chaos.
    The Bible predicts that Satan will require his minions to cause outrageous chaos, which  will occur just before Jesus' return.  Ironically the Koran tells how the 12th Imam must have a chaotic world to work his will when he returns as the anti-Christ..
.....And the madman in Iran figures himself to be the chosen one who brings that necessary chaos into reality, so his 12th Imam can appear..   

       He's doing quite well recently....
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2011, 04:43:13 AM »
Obama is making Libya safe for Al Queda..   Helping them to take over..

Very straight forward answer .  And when that's accomplished a lotta heads are gonna roll all across the muslim world.
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2011, 06:24:17 AM »
Now they are talking about arming the rebels. The rebels aka Al Qaeda can't even maintain a fighting force unless we kill all of Ghadafi's soldiers. We have no idea who their leader is or what they will do when they win. All in the name of protecting some civilians (like we actually care about Libyan civilians.) It is crazy exponential. All we need now is for Hil to say that Ghadafi has WOMD (which he probably does) and that Libya is an imminent threat.

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2011, 08:04:12 AM »
wreck. You surprise me. I was sure you'd take the obaminations side. I'm shocked. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2011, 09:10:24 AM »
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For those who have finally come to terms with, and begun to understand the psychosis behind the NWO, world events can become quite "predictable".. so predictable, in fact, that within my circle of friends, we were even taking bets as to what sort of "catastrophe" we might expect to take place oon next Purim, etc.



Don't recall any mention of this before the fact.  Oh well, it's much easier to predict things after they've happened.
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2011, 09:19:13 AM »
Basically we have some Muslims who would kill us and blow us up killing other Muslims who would kill us and blow us up, can't imagine getting involved when they are taking care of thinning each other out for us. 

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2011, 09:29:38 AM »
Basically we have some Muslims who would kill us and blow us up killing other Muslims who would kill us and blow us up, can't imagine getting involved when they are taking care of thinning each other out for us.



YEP. If it aint broke, don't fix it. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2011, 12:42:20 PM »
wreck. You surprise me. I was sure you'd take the obaminations side. I'm shocked. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
I did not think that we had any reason to be in Iraq and I don't think that we have any reason to be in Libya. Very consistent.

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2011, 06:08:13 PM »
Heard today on talk radio that chairman"O" signed an executive order to arm the protesters. Now we give arms to al quida?? We can't allow importation of Skorean garands, but we can give the enemy rifles?  :o

 If we the people started protesting corrupt gooberment here, would the un declare the USA a no fly zone and send military aid to oust our corrupt, and then enforce the freedom and liberty of our constitution??

 Do we have any business (read that Constitutional authority), of becoming involved in what amounts to civil war in a sovereign nation?

 Is there any sovereignty among nations if the u.n. can vote war upon any peoples?

 If that is so, global gov't and NWO have arrived.

 Rawanda and Botswana. Why no intervention there? No gems? No minerals? No oil???

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2011, 06:14:39 PM »
 Wreckhog;
     Yes..you are being  consistant concerning the interventionist operations..   

  TM;
  Yes..there is nothing to indicate a new regime to replace the Libyan leadership would be any better than Ghadaffi.
  >>and I am getting tired of the way the powers-to-be in Washington are willing to waste young American lives.. With their new rules-of-engagement, it appears they would rather 2 American troops die, rather than one Afghan....
   For Heaven's sake, if all Washington wants to do, is tie the hands of our great troops...get them out of that pest hole and bring them home.  Then let those tribes/sects fight it out among themselves.  If we were to stay 6 more years, I would opine that they will start killing each other the day after we pull out..they have demonstrated such over the last year. 
         Why delay the inevitable ?

  Pat/Rick;

   Can you feature that?  BHO wants to arm the terrorist/"rebels"...but he has worked all his (supposedly) adult life, trying to take guns away from the American people...
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2011, 07:59:42 PM »
Now they are talking about arming the rebels. The rebels aka Al Qaeda can't even maintain a fighting force unless we kill all of Ghadafi's soldiers. We have no idea who their leader is or what they will do when they win. All in the name of protecting some civilians (like we actually care about Libyan civilians.) It is crazy exponential. All we need now is for Hil to say that Ghadafi has WOMD (which he probably does) and that Libya is an imminent threat.

I tell ya wreckhog; when that came on the new this a.m. my blood was about to boil.  Had to take a deep breath and calm down.  I can't stand what that guy's been doing since he took office.

Basically we have some Muslims who would kill us and blow us up killing other Muslims who would kill us and blow us up, can't imagine getting involved when they are taking care of thinning each other out for us. 

jimster; the muslims have a quip about what you said there.  It goes like this.
"My friend is the Enemy of my Enemy."
In other words, as soon as one enemy is defeated, he finds another, and another, etc., until no-one is left except himself.  To that end he'll self destruct.
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2011, 03:09:33 AM »
If Obama did sign the order to arm the protestors, that means US troops will have to teach them how to use them. That also means US troops in Lybia. I seem to remember someone saying there would be NO US troops on the ground.

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2011, 07:07:20 AM »
If Obama did sign the order to arm the protestors, that means US troops will have to teach them how to use them. That also means US troops in Lybia. I seem to remember someone saying there would be NO US troops on the ground.
I am not seeing that the "rebels" have any shortage of handheld weapons. And frankly, anything more requires some training don't it. Sounds like a job for Blackwater, or whatever they call themselves.

More background on the rebels. They descended from the really bad guys that Ghadafi overthrew 40+ years ago. Everyone in that region has an agenda, based around making their guys rich and powerful and everyone else's lives suck. So what exactly makes the old bad guys rebels? Nothing. They are just more of the same. Except we don't know them. Very disappointing. Maybe the plan is to turn Libya into another Somalia. A neverending stream of warlords.

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2011, 08:31:23 AM »
"My theory (just a theory) is that the NWO Lybian war is designed to put Lybia back 40 years, make it a debtor, kill off a lot of inetellectuals, destabilize the place into mayhem, kill off alot al quaeda that have adlibbed too much on their own. It is very possible that Quaddafi will be 're-educated' and  kept around for the sheer theater and great epaulets and designer uniforms. In fact, he might be co-operatring with this whole 'designer war'...which I suggested elsewhere on this board".

TM, very interesting theory it is. Certainly probable. With the one world/un/nwo/globalist running around shouting demands and printing doctrine I can see where a stand alone nation would be "targeted". That will only indicate that there will be more nations following suit in rebellion as their grip gets tighter. Much too late, but following suit just the same.

As I stated earlier, if that 's the case, then the nwo has already arrived, and is getting its ducks in a row.

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« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2011, 08:57:22 AM »
It’s all a pack of lies. This president could care little what the mass of American people think. He could care less about our constitution. He believes the American people and Congress are below any level of concurrence. He wants to serve the UN/NWO. This is not any stretch. He simply believes in a higher single authority for the globe and a more cohesive structure of how to address global issues. The American people and Congress are simply an obstacle for his vision and US role with the UN and larger global arena.  Most countries in Europe have succumbed to the concept of the EU. The EU has succumbed to the UN. Nothing radical here. Listen to his words, look at his actions. HC Bill is another excellent example. It was about moving in the direction of Europe. Lies and false data are fine in his mind to use in the expediency to get the Bill passed. He has his accomplices in Congress and in many quarters of government who feel the same way. 

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2011, 09:37:33 AM »
  The prez is sending the 22nd MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) to Libya.  This includes 3-4 ships, one being an aircraft carrier; in this case the USS Bataan.  My grandson served with the 22nd in Iraq, at that time it was all "Special Ops" troops, doing special operations in Al Anbar province.
   Aboard those ships are 2200 Marines & sailors.  Yes, there are pilots & support for choppers and Harrier jump-jets...but also 1500 Marine ground troops, well trained in all the vagaries of combat and including many very combat experienced NCOs.
 
http://www.witn.com/news/headlines/Marines_Headed_Off_Libyan_Coast_118851704.html?ref=704
   
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2011, 10:10:55 AM »
Why are they going? Why don't they just refuse to go?

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2011, 11:10:53 AM »
Why are they going? Why don't they just refuse to go?

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2011, 11:13:31 AM »
Why are they going? Why don't they just refuse to go?


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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2011, 12:20:09 PM »
There were guys that refused to go to Iraq.

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« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2011, 12:42:45 PM »
...Ask any veteran what they thought of those guys..
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« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2011, 01:04:29 PM »
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There were guys that refused to go to Iraq.


Very, very few.  There's a few idiots and/or criminals in any large enough group (remember the muslim army Major murderer).
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2011, 01:42:48 PM »
The obamination is going to make sure his godless friends take power even if it costs American lives. Before this is over his muslim brotherhood will control the entire mideast, except for Israel. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2011, 02:22:58 AM »
In response to why doesn't the military refuse to go?

Simple, we live in a republic not a military dictator ship. When the military refuses to obey orders, it becomes either a military dictatorship or chaos. Anyone who has ever served has not always agreed with those orders but has carried them out. It is part of that professional mentality. You don't have to like it, you don't have to enjoy but you do have to do it. When we take orders and make them suggestions or have a vote, or worry about feelings that is not the military that is congress.

Ask any veteran, you follow orders, watch your brothers/sisters backs and keep going until you get out, retire  or die. 

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2011, 05:18:04 AM »
Here is what one of a handful of honorable politicians left  in America has to say about the Libyan war.



Constitutional problems with the Libyan war
By Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) - 03/28/11 02:07 PM ET

Last week the Obama Administration took the United States to war against Libya without bothering to notify Congress, much less obtain a constitutionally-mandated declaration of war. In the midst of our severe economic downturn, this misadventure has already cost us hundreds of millions of dollars and we can be sure the final price tag will be several times higher.

Why did the U.S. intervene in a civil war in a country that has neither attacked us nor poses a threat?  We are told this was another humanitarian intervention, like Clinton’s 1999 war against Serbia. But as civilian victims of the U.S.-led coalition bombing continue to add up, it is getting difficult to determine whether the problem we are creating on the ground is worse than the one we were trying to solve.

Though the administration seems to be playing with semantics, calling this a “kinetic military action,” let’s be clear: this is a US.. act of war on Libya.  Imposing a no-fly zone over the air space of a sovereign nation is an act of war, as Secretary of Defense Robert Gates pointed out before the bombing began.  That the administration hesitates to call this war, possibly due to the troubling Constitutional implications, does not mean that it is not one. Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution could not be clearer: the power and obligation to declare war resides solely in the U.S. Congress.

There was ample time and opportunity for the administration to consult the UN, NATO and the Arab League before going to war, but not the U.S. Congress.

Aside from the manner in which the administration took us to war, it is also troubling that our government has taken a decisive stand for one side of an internal conflict in another sovereign country.  The administration speaks out of both sides of its mouth on this, claiming that the U.S. is not attempting to overthrow the Gaddafi regime while clearly benefitting the rebels and stating that Gaddafi must leave. Does this make any sense? Gaddafi may well be every bit the “bad guy” we are told he is, but who are the rebels we are assisting?  Do we have any clue?  Will they bring freedom and prosperity to Libya if they are victorious?  We might like to hope so, but the fact is, we don’t know. Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit, explained in a recent article that there is plausible reason to believe the rebels are current or former Islamist mujahedin, eager to engage in jihad. Indeed, Gaddafi has fought against Libyan Islamists for years and is seen by them as a bitter enemy.  Astoundingly, it may well be that we are assisting al Qaeda in this new war!

The costs of this terrible mistake cannot be ignored. Congress has been locked in battles over budget cuts and agonizing over ways to save money.  Recent proposed spending cuts have by now been completely wiped out with this new war!  Will we be rebuilding Libya ten years from now?  Will Congress simply roll over and rubber stamp more emergency spending bills for this new war as they have done in the past?  We must end our participation in any attack on Libya immediately and I have signed on to legislation that would do exactly that. Congress must assert its Constitutional authority and rein in an administration clearly out of control.



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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2011, 06:38:26 AM »
In response to why doesn't the military refuse to go?

Simple, we live in a republic not a military dictator ship. When the military refuses to obey orders, it becomes either a military dictatorship or chaos. Anyone who has ever served has not always agreed with those orders but has carried them out. It is part of that professional mentality. You don't have to like it, you don't have to enjoy but you do have to do it. When we take orders and make them suggestions or have a vote, or worry about feelings that is not the military that is congress.

Ask any veteran, you follow orders, watch your brothers/sisters backs and keep going until you get out, retire  or die. 

Thanks all you active duty and veterans.


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   I just figured that rather than to reply myself, I would let other veterans do it.  A couple rose to the occasion and you each did well..
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2011, 05:27:33 PM »
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Here is what one of a handful of honorable politicians left  in America has to say about the Libyan war.
Wow NW, that is more than I thought.

Here is the best interview that I have seen on Libya (other than Ron Paul):
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/84378.html
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2011, 04:47:44 AM »
Our illustious president is very happy about saving those Libyian lives but there is a flare up in Ivory Coast with 800 dead today. I don't see him going to the UN for permission to bomb there. Oh thats right there is no european oil there.

This leaves me to draw simple conclusions, if you can produce oil Barry will help you over throw your government. If you don't have oil, you are merely ignorant savages killing each other and below the dignity of intervention.

No I don't want to get involved in another civil war, but I would bet my next paycheck Barry will do nothing about Ivory Coast.

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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2011, 08:10:26 AM »
Well, TM, this guy lost a bit of credibility when he equated human rights with the number of incarcerated and implied that interest is expoitive.
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Re: Still trying to figure out why we bomb Libya
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2011, 08:15:11 AM »
Sounds like the re make of the Ottoman Empire. WW I was their end and it sounds like they want it back.