Sheer ignorance....

[Casull]

Rummie announced  $2.3 trillion, that's TRILLION, unaccounted pentacon funds on Sept 10, 2001.

TM, even for you, what you are implying is hilarious.  Sooo, Rummie announces it on 9-10-01 and Bush blows up the PentaGON the very next day.  Pretty damned impressive manuevering there.   

[Mike38]

Not too far from me in East Moline Illinois sits John Deere (farming machinery). Unless I’m seeing things, John Deere is dumping a ton of money in renovations to existing buildings, and putting up new ones in Iowa. Looks like John Deere may be pulling out of Illinois too.

[Gary G]

The governmnet spends too much...primarily because it is at war continuously someplace.... the biggest expenditures are war expenditures. These expenditures aren't even oversighted or properly accounted. Rummie announced  $2.3 trillion, that's TRILLION, unaccounted pentacon funds on Sept 10, 2001. Nobody, has yet followed up on this HUGE overdraft.  WHY....?

If you're against massive unaccounted Gov spending, and against using Social Security to pay for perpetual war...then you would insist on the largest line items in the Budget; i.e. War Department expenditures oversighted and reduced....Are you willing to do that...??

If not keep voting for Obama..

..TM7

  TM;
  One of the 3 or 4 things the federal government is charged with doing is to "provide for the common defense"..and I am ready to start cutting that wherever it can safely be done..but remember, defense for a country is a necessity.
   Let's start with the totally swenseless, unconstitutional spending.. ACLU, Planned Parenthood, Federal Eanergy dept, Endowment for the arts, free college education for congressperson's kids, A plus retirement for members of congress that have served only one term  and multiple thousands of nonsensical "grants" to research depts of various schools etc...
      Wipe that all out.. THEN  take a look at the 3-4 Constitutionally required expenditures...

   BTW: The useless expenditures iunclude the $ 200,000,000 s day vacations in Spain for the "first family"..

It seems like it is not for defense spending, but for offense (maybe imperialism). That is unless Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya were about to get on their naval fleets, air craft carriers and long range bombers and attack the US. Oh, thats right, we never attack countries with those kinds of things.

The U.S. spends more than half the total of world expenditures on military; something is not right.
Of course Rome did too. Didn't it end with the fall of an empire?

[ironglow]

Gary;
      Whether it is acting defensively or offensively..it is still called "the Dept of Defense"  As I said, I would be ready to cut from the defense budget after all the totally useless items are slashed out entirely..at least the Defense Dept has a Constitutional reason for it's existence.

[1sourdough]

 Reading the article the other day about the couple making $39,000 & getting a $54,000 'tax refund' makes me feel better about my 'super deduction' this year. The partnership I'm involved in has 'donated'(with some coercion) a substantial 'conservation easement' on nearly 300 acres of land. This keeps the land private but locks up any development, buildings, & new roads forever. The ducks have been lined up, appraisals, documentation from the tax folks etc. In a few days I'll have final paperwork. So far I've plugged the numbers in turbo-tax & watched my refund shoot-up. Don't worry I'll still be paying some income & other taxes. I may even stay below appraise value some with the listed value. Come audit, I'll be ready.

   

[ironglow]

Reading the article the other day about the couple making $39,000 & getting a $54,000 'tax refund' makes me feel better about my 'super deduction' this year. The partnership I'm involved in has 'donated'(with some coercion) a substantial 'conservation easement' on nearly 300 acres of land. This keeps the land private but locks up any development, buildings, & new roads forever. The ducks have been lined up, appraisals, documentation from the tax folks etc. In a few days I'll have final paperwork. So far I've plugged the numbers in turbo-tax & watched my refund shoot-up. Don't worry I'll still be paying some income & other taxes. I may even stay below appraise value some with the listed value. Come audit, I'll be ready.

 

  ....And that whole program probably came about because one or two fat congressmen dreamed up a scheme for themselves to get a fat paycheck on into perpetuity...

[Casull]

TM, what is obviously hilarious (and what you fail to see), is the ridiculousness of the 9-11 conspiracy you espouse, especially given Rummie's statement the day before.   

[nw_hunter]

Gary G said!

It seems like it is not for defense spending, but for offense (maybe imperialism). That is unless Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya were about to get on their naval fleets, air craft carriers and long range bombers and attack the US. Oh, thats right, we never attack countries with those kinds of things.

The U.S. spends more than half the total of world expenditures on military; something is not right.
Of course Rome did too. Didn't it end with the fall of an empire?
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Statements like these will win you a lot of points with the Neo's..........lol!

[Gary G]

Gary G said!

It seems like it is not for defense spending, but for offense (maybe imperialism). That is unless Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya were about to get on their naval fleets, air craft carriers and long range bombers and attack the US. Oh, thats right, we never attack countries with those kinds of things.

The U.S. spends more than half the total of world expenditures on military; something is not right.
Of course Rome did too. Didn't it end with the fall of an empire?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Statements like these will win you a lot of points with the Neo's..........lol!

Yeah, they kicked me out of the club; but I had already resigned about four years ago, when I saw the light and rejected the propaganda. 

They still ask for my money. But I just buy beans, ammo, and hide in the bunker. LOL

[Casull]

more than half the USA,,,and 90% of the world don't buy the Official Conspiracy Theory

TM, you still throwing this "statistic" out there, huh?  I say BS.  I know alot of people and meet quite a few others every week in my job.  I've yet to meet one of these people.

[Buckskin]

TM, what is obviously hilarious (and what you fail to see), is the ridiculousness of the 9-11 conspiracy you espouse, especially given Rummie's statement the day before.   

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Lot of people don't think its 'ridiculous'....more than half the USA,,,and 90% of the world don't buy the Official Conspiracy Theory....including Rummie's exceptional timing. That puts you in an OCT belief minority.

..TM7
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Oh my.... I didn't realize you were one of those.   That shines a whole new light on your posts.

[billy_56081]

more than half the USA,,,and 90% of the world don't buy the Official Conspiracy Theory

TM, you still throwing this "statistic" out there, huh?  I say BS.  I know alot of people and meet quite a few others every week in my job.  I've yet to meet one of these people.

Well the poll was taken on tinfoilhat.org. 

[ironglow]

more than half the USA,,,and 90% of the world don't buy the Official Conspiracy Theory

TM, you still throwing this "statistic" out there, huh?  I say BS.  I know alot of people and meet quite a few others every week in my job.  I've yet to meet one of these people.

Well the poll was taken on tinfoilhat.org. 

Billy;
     I found these instructions on their website...just posting them in case anyone here needed them..

  http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

    I couldn't find anything  there about 40,000 amp cattle prods though !