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Correcting papers with red ink .
« on: March 29, 2011, 07:43:43 AM »
I have just learned that school papers in Northern Va. are to be graded with purple or green not red . It seems red is a negative color now and it leaves a bad feeling . Ain't it suppose to let um know they was wrong ?
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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 08:53:08 AM »
THis, of course, is BS, but I did learn something about red that has been useful for many years. Long ago I prepared some graphs to explain a situation and one of the colors I used was red. Afterward, somebody told me "we're accountants. We don't like red." that made perfect sense, and I have not used it since in any presentation related to accounting.

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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 10:14:33 AM »
Shootall,
What was the source for this information? I tried several differently worded searches on this and the only thing a came up with was a post from a then PRIVATE SCHOOL teacher that resigned over this issue at the end of the 96-97 school year and a post referring to it in the United Kingdom.
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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 10:35:16 AM »
Here's the Google search I used "correcting with red ink" and there were a bunch of hits. In any case, it seems "progressive" teachers/academics think it's harmful.   ??? :o
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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 10:38:29 AM »
If you are wrong you are wrong no matter what color they tell you in.  Sounds like BS to me.

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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2011, 10:48:06 AM »
Yeah, that maybe true in the real world. But in the PC world, it's just so darn hurtful to say it and then emphasize it in red.  :( 
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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 10:57:07 AM »
Shootall,
What was the source for this information? I tried several differently worded searches on this and the only thing a came up with was a post from a then PRIVATE SCHOOL teacher that resigned over this issue at the end of the 96-97 school year and a post referring to it in the United Kingdom.
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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 10:59:12 AM »
I did a search "correcting with red ink" and still did not find any recent news concerning Northern Virginia??? Did that teacher say they were not allowed? Was it that specific school or district only?
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2011, 11:02:41 AM »
try arlington , falls church , alexandria Va.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2011, 11:27:30 AM »
I heard about that 15 years ago. It was all about self esteem. We ignored that bit of info. It may be a factor ,however it someone is red, green colorblind.I was reminded of it when I was using red to color in certain structures; by a student.

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2011, 11:30:38 AM »
People who can get things correct should know they can't !
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2011, 11:36:39 AM »
I have a pink pen for this reason.  ::)
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2011, 06:46:28 PM »
The elementary school where my one boy still goes to, uses this policy. I guess it makes the teachers feel better. A bad grade is a bad grade, no matter what color it's in. gypsyman
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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 06:58:09 PM »
What kind of candy assed society do we live it these days?
Oh no.... little Johnny has hurt feelings because the teacher graded his paper with a red pen. ::) Get real.



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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 08:16:29 PM »
Im with you there on that one Spanky.  Maybe if we worried more about teaching and actually put some effort in it so that learning took place maybe little Johnny would have a lot less red ink corrections on his paper and wouldnt get such a bad grade and then we wouldnt have to worry about if his feelings or selfesteem was hurt or brusied.

I have read some essay papers from High Schoolers lately and if my kid was doing his work to that pathetic level, I would thrash them within inches of their life for being that lazy and sloppy!  There would be no TV, no phone priviledges, no play station or extra cirricular activities until a nose was in books forever begin and grades and homework improved to an acceptable level.

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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2011, 01:30:37 AM »
Im with you there on that one Spanky.  Maybe if we worried more about teaching and actually put some effort in it so that learning took place maybe little Johnny would have a lot less red ink corrections on his paper and wouldnt get such a bad grade and then we wouldnt have to worry about if his feelings or selfesteem was hurt or brusied.

I have read some essay papers from High Schoolers lately and if my kid was doing his work to that pathetic level, I would thrash them within inches of their life for being that lazy and sloppy!  There would be no TV, no phone priviledges, no play station or extra cirricular activities until a nose was in books forever begin and grades and homework improved to an acceptable level.

That's exactly why your children did well. They had consequences at home. Far too many children don't have any consequences at home to push them along. Parents want to be the friend with their child and not parent them.

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2011, 01:37:06 AM »
The elementary school where my one boy still goes to, uses this policy. I guess it makes the teachers feel better. A bad grade is a bad grade, no matter what color it's in. gypsyman
Why does it always come back to the teacher. It's done to supposedly MAKE THE CHILD feel better. There was a push to improve students self esteem and this is one of the outcomes. It's a bunch of garbage. Ever think that this ink stuff was a mandate from the administration and teachers were made to do it. Many forget that teachers do have bosses and have to follow what they are told.

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2011, 02:02:57 AM »
Good point but alot of admn folks were teachers at one time . I consider the system the fault and all involved. I also wonder if teachers have become fearful of telling some of the wilder less structured kids they are failures because they may counter by hurting the teacher ?
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2011, 03:27:53 AM »
What about students that get it right? That big red A or A+ sure makes them feel good about their accomplishments, but I guess that it's not about making achievers feel good. It's about turning out sissies that will never be ready for the real world they will have to live in. I thought that schools and the whole learning process was to get students ready for life. Apparently not. 
Educational systems that cater to this kind of wet nursing do more harm than good to the students that they teach.

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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2011, 03:34:40 AM »
What about students that get it right? That big red A or A+ sure makes them feel good about their accomplishments, but I guess that it's not about making achievers feel good. It's about turning out sissies that will never be ready for the real world they will have to live in. I thought that schools and the whole learning process was to get students ready for life. Apparently not. 

Educational systems that cater to this kind of wet nursing do more harm than good to the students that they teach.

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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2011, 05:29:13 AM »
What kind of candy assed society do we live it these days?
Oh no.... little Johnny has hurt feelings because the teacher graded his paper with a red pen. ::) Get real.



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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2011, 05:51:06 AM »
There is way too much building self esteem where there is no reason to praise. The students come away with a false sense of accomplishment. It doesn't ready them for the real world. Years ago there was a movement for " students rights and responsibilities." The rights were pushed and the responsibilities were ignored for the most part. Those students now have children in schools. This creates the feeling of the warm fuzzy atmosphere. Many teachers have been criticized by parents for being " too Hard" on their children. Depending on the courage of the administration, we are told to continue being a demanding teacher or to back of and lower our standards. I once had a principal who circled the F's given out in the 6 week period. If you gave more than 2 you were told you weren't doing your job. ---It ain't always the teachers fault.

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2011, 05:53:45 AM »
I remember when I was a kid I got all my pride and punishment at home for school work.
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2011, 07:03:31 AM »
My wife and I put our son in a private school when he was three.  Sky was ready to start learning and he wanted to go to school.  We kept him in private schools till he was a junior in High School.  Yea, he brought home a few papers corrected with the RED PEN.  It embarressed him and he saw that the problem was fixed.  When he was ready to start his Junior year he informed us his friends had transfered to public school, and he wanted to do the same.  When he got to public school he found out he already had enough credits to graduate, but he wanted to play the last two years of hockey.  He took ceramics, metal working, and automotive shop, his last two years at public school.  He begin to think he was going to skate, WRONG.

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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2011, 09:51:59 AM »
If one dosen't learn to deal with failure at a young age what is instore for then at an older age ?
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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2011, 10:48:50 AM »
That is exactly what is missing from the education of children. They are led to believe they can't fail.

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Re: Correcting papers with red ink .
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2011, 11:14:57 AM »
They don't let you sign checks or fill out 4473's with it either.

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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2011, 12:12:37 PM »
I figure that it all started with the liberal mind set, that comes out of college's for the last 30-40 years. Feel good do nothing ideas and attitude's. Sorry if I stepped on your toes XD. I guess being self employed for the best part of my life, I never really had a boss to answer to. And, when I did, I didn't cut any punch's with him either. We had a few really good arguements, called each other every name in the book, and then went out and had a couple drinks and shot pool at the local watering hole afterwards. We're still good friends. gypsyman
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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2011, 12:22:56 PM »
The research usually comes from some one working on his doctorate in education. They have to prove something even if it's totally stupid. Having a science background always made me wonder why every hypothesis always came out the way it was supposed.We all know that doesn't happen in the real world. I think all this liberal teaching blamed on educators doesn't come from the teaching universities. At least it didn't when I attended. As I said the latest research shows____________ comes from people trying to get their PHD's in Education. While I value the value of having a PhD, Ive always felt that having a PhD in education was the lowest level. Now a PhD in Chemistry, Physics, Math- now your talking. And No I don't have my Phd.

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2011, 01:59:11 PM »
The topic of this thread reminds me of hearing about some schools not keeping score in sporting events,
 because we don’t want kids to feel bad for losing. We are starting to see high schools that do not have a class ranking upon graduation because that may “hurt” those kids that are not ranked very high.  And then there is the don’t discipline your children crowd, because you might shatter their creative spirit. Why is it that some feel the need to put  kids in a box to “protect” their self esteem?
 The Liberal socialists are destroying this country, and this is just another part of their grand scheme, of making everyone equal.

In sporting events where they don't keep score. No points, no goals, no baskets; just keep doing what you're doing, even if you're not doing it very well, and you'll feel good when it's over, even if you don't accomplish anything.
People opposed to having their children lose an event would have you believe that by not keeping score these young athletes will feel better about themselves. By playing in games that have no meaning, young competitors will not feel good about what they're doing because there's nothing to feel good about when it comes to apathy.
And that's what it's starting to come to.
Why try harder if you know you can't lose? Why not just do the bare minimum and still come out feeling like a winner, even if you didn't do anything to deserve that feeling? Plain and simple, there has to be some incentive somewhere to do better the next time.
 Sports isn’t about who's a better athlete, or who's a better person. It's about individual moments, and who is the best at those moments. The best two baseball players on the planet could be pitted against one another, one trying to get a hit and the other trying to, get the other out, and eventually someone's going to have to win that battle.
A hit is going to be the result, or it isn't. Either way, the player who wins will feel good about winning, and whoever comes up on the short end of that moment will also be bettered by the competition. In the next moment's battle, he's going to remember what kind of a bitter taste losing left in his mouth, he's going to try harder to win, and his eventual success will feel better because he knows how it feels to lose. He'll have earned something.
That's one of the great things about sports, sometimes they're more than just sports, and can provide invaluable opportunities at life lessons.
The saying doesn't go, "If at first you don't succeed, it doesn't matter because you can still feel good about yourself because no one is keeping score."
Instead, you fail, you get up and dust yourself off, and you try again until you get it right. In the end, you end up a more complete person than you were when you started.
Sports with no winners and losers are just another doorway to a lifetime of disappointment and failure. When these kids get out of school, in the real world, where the line between the successful and the unsuccessful is very clear, and score will be being kept.
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