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scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« on: March 31, 2011, 12:01:21 AM »
I offered to scope a friend's rifle not knowing what he had.  Well he has a '50s era Husqvarna bolt 30-06 that I assume is a Mauser 98 variant.  It has the old military style safety that will interfere with any scope.  He also brought what looks like a Dayton Traister safety button but no instructions for installation. I'm not experienced with Mausers or serious smithing, nor do I have mills or fancy shop tools.  Looking in Brownell's it looks like a slot needs to be cut in the bolt sleeve.  Is there a drop-in safety that I could buy and install?  Where could I find more instructions to install the Dayton Traister?

I'm open to lots of advice on this.

I don't think I want to buy a new trigger assembly with safety - this was supposed to be a modest cost exercise.

Also suggestions for reliable, quick release scope rings and bases.
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 01:33:25 AM »
You can use a Dremel Tool with a small grind stone to cut the small slot needed for the safety you have which seems to be a Dayton Traister style safety, or you can order a Timney Buehler Style low scope safety from Brownells which does not require any slotting.
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 07:50:07 AM »

My FIL bought a Husky when station at Fort Greely before Alaska became a State.  I think is a 1950 Model.  I remember him setting at the dining room table in 1964 or 65 modifying the bolt to take a Buehler safety.  I inherited the rifle after he passed and it went to my son-in-law over twenty years ago.
As I recall he use rather basic tools for the project, but this is a guy who had a lot of home grown talent.  He did have to cut a slot.  He followed up with Weaver bases.


Mauser low profile safety from Timney is a copy of the famous for Mauser actions.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=473058&t=11082005

http://timneytriggers.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=34

http://www.timneytriggers.com/InstallInstructions/LPS.pdf

I recommend ordering directly from Timney.  I called them on the phone recently to order a trigger and they handled the order and told me if I had problems installing that they would provide telephone support.

P.S.  I found they hand nobody on the phones when I called to make the order during lunch, but very, very nice people.

Sixteen years ago I had a Buehler safety installed on my Model 96 and it work great.


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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2011, 10:01:28 PM »
The Buehler safety and others of the type work nearly the same as the original mauser safety. They may require a bevel on the cam slot edge to allow the new safeties sam to enter the cam slot.  The other safety you seem to be tallking about is a look alike for the M70 horizontal side swing safety. If the slot is miscut the bolt sleeve will likely crack from the stress and the safety will no longer work. They also require a slot vut into the side of the cocking piece to receive thelocking hook. They are a 2 position safety where the M70's is a 3 position. The 3 position safeties can also be had but they reqire considerable machining to the bolt shroud.  Good luck..
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 11:55:14 PM »
thanks guys.  I'll ponder this more and study up on the various options.  I'm not too eager to go cutting on someone else's gun when I have no experience.  Funny thing, I just bought my boy a dremel tool so he can try his hand at carving wood and ivory. 

One other question, could a good smith install a scope friendly safety if I just sent him the bolt? Or would he need the action for fitting and function test?

I'd love to be able to just drop in something without any major cutting etc.

 I  tried googling  and found Dayton Traister online.  I have an inquiry to them for instructions.

I'm still open to other advice as there is no rush.  Want to do it right and safely.

thanks

and howdy Sisk!  Hope all goes well for you.
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2011, 01:24:15 AM »
Sisk, you are always full off good knowledge. I looked at the Timney site.  That might be the best way to go.  I'll give them a call or email about their Bueller style safety.  Could be very little work I hope.  Sure a modest cost. But lose the 3 function safety - always trade-offs.  Tho they do make special mention of Swedish mausers.  This Husky cocks on opening, looks all the world like a commercial Mauser 98 wo thumb cut or stripper clip guide. 

Nice rifle really, maybe a Beech stock and solid but very low mounted iron sights - could be mean to shoot them as it almost hurts to get my face down where I can see the sights.

I just noticed the Mauser Forum here so spent some time over there.  Found some good You Tube links for assembly and disassembly of Mauser bolts.  Nice - Im such a fogy I don't think to look there.

Didn't find any detail videos about a custom safety tho.

thanks folks
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2011, 08:14:42 AM »

Dand the rifle I inherited in 30-06 had a Model 98 action manufacture by Husqvarna.  The receiver and barrel had a nice dark blue.  The bolt was jeweled and was slick.  The only thing that did not suit me was the Birch stock that had a reddish stain.  The FIL had installed a recoil pad on it. 

Later Husqvarna rifles had what they called an Improved Mauser action with a sliding safety on the right side what was scope friendly.  #2 brother picked up two later rifles that I believe are the 4100 series which came with light weight walnut stocks.  He has used those actions to build wildcat rifles.

I picked up a Ram-line Tupperware stock at the Big Gun Show in Reno, NV at a large discount.  Inside the stock it was stamped for the Mauser 98.  I glass bedded the action into the stock.  The combination is a good fit with either stock. 

The rifle came to me with a few boxes of factory 180-grain Silvertips and a box of 180-grain Federal.  I think the FIL favored the Silvertip for his Alaskan moose, and caribou.  The wife and mother-in-law tell me the family had a hard time adjusting to beef after being posted to the lower 48.

I already had a good supply of 165-grain Hornady .308 bullets along with surplus 4831 powder and H414 powder when the rifle came to me.  Using Hodgdon data I was quickly at the listed maximum without any issues.  Accuracy with surplus 4831 was good, but it was outstanding with H414.  I took the rifle and the H414 loads with me on a couple LE shoots and the shooters using Remington 700 BDL agency rifles and off the shelve ammunition  could not match it.  Admittedly the 700’s had not been bedded nor the ammunition tuned to the rifle.

I selected the rifle and the H414 load for a hunt in an area that black bears thought a shot was the dinner bell and presented a problem.  I felt the load had a little more punch then my 270 load.  A hunting partner had to put a round in the dirt under the nose of a bear when other efforts failed to run bear off.

Last spring we loaded up a bunch of 30-06 ammunition for the SIL and Great Son-in-Law rifles using WW760 what Hodgdon says is the same powder as H414.  I had bought a lot of bulk 165-grain Remington C-L years back and they were the bullet selected.  SIL and I made a trip to the range and he was all smiles. 

(Side note)  The Husky 98 and the Model 96 Swede what I gave the SIL have Buehler after market safeties on them.  They have proven reliable in the field and easy to use.  The last game I took with them was using the M96 on a Mule deer at about 150 yards from a setting position.  The safety worked as it should from release to firing the shot, chambering another round, putting the safety on and approaching the down deer.  From my field experience it is a good safety.

In the last 12-months I encountered a member at the range shooting a Husky.  I recognized it right away because of the 98 action and the profile of the stock.  From the outside the only difference I could detect is the brown (walnut) stain stock.  The shooter had purchased it at a giveaway price.  The shooter said the rifle had a Timney trigger.   He was shooting handloaded pulled FMJ bullets and was getting good 100 yard results.

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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2011, 08:40:08 AM »
The current Timney Buehlers are the easiest after market low scope safeties to install on a 98 Mauser Bolt Shroud, anyone with reasonable skills and a few hand tools should be able to do it.

The various three position horizonal swing safeties the hardest to install, with the Dayton Traister being the next easiest to the Buehler.
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2011, 02:03:39 PM »

I just took another look at the Timney site; they have a combination trigger and safety for the Husky.  Might want to give them a call and see if it fits the early model Husky.  The question that comes to mind is can the wing type safety be removed with creating an issue?

http://timneytriggers.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=33

I am sure there are pro's and cons for each type of safety.

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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2011, 11:21:41 AM »
Thanks guys.  After reading all your comments and spending time on the Mauser Forum and You Tube, I think I'll explore this spare safety lever the gun owner gave me and see how it works.  If I don't like that I'd probably try the Timney /Buehler products.

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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2011, 11:47:56 AM »
Dand,

Good thinking, from my viewpoint a bolt sleeve mounted safety or a separate safety as on the P14 and 1917 Enfields is far superior than a trigger mounted safety/combination.

It is hard to beat the bolt sleeve safety design used on the 98 Mauser or 1903 Springfield and the even better three position safety on the model 70 Winchester.

From a feeding functionality standpoint, I still like the Enfield/Springfield and pre 64 model 70 Winchesters the best though they do make barrel fitting harder due to the cone and the extractor slot cut needed.
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2011, 07:11:07 PM »
I installed the low wing safety with no trouble after watching some of those You Tube postings - that is very handy.

But this wing safety (I wonder if its an old Beuhler?) and the lever pokes out the  left side of the bolt shroud. Without a scope it sticks way out when on safe and would be very easily bumped into FIRE mode.  I'm not liking it too much but will have to see when the scope gets mounted.

I may still go for the new Timney Beuhler version safety as the lever is on the right of the gun, would be up to fire and down to safe -a little better system I think.

Or may go for a M70 style replacement shroud.  $200 is a lot cheaper than an accident.
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2011, 10:15:44 PM »
ordered the Timney / Beuhler saftey with the encouragement of the gun owner. It installed very easily and seems in the right place. A little less likely to get bumped to fire.  I think if it were my gun I'd be getting a M70 style 3 position safety.  Got Warne Maxima bases for the commercial FN mauser and Warne Maxima rings. I was really pleased to see they came with torx screws.  Mounting was a snap.  Now to get to the range and get it  on the paper.  I'm really liking this Husky.  If it shoots as well as it looks it will be a very fine hunting gun.

Thanks all for the help and advice.
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2011, 06:02:14 AM »
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Dand if you get time how about a couple of pictures of the Husky with new safety, and scope mount?  Enjoyed following this topic.  Good information for those that have rifles based on military or commercial 98 actions.
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Re: scoping a Husqvarna (mauser 98 I think)
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2011, 04:58:20 PM »
have you gone to www.mausercentral ?
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