I have nothing against them. I bought a Ted Williams Pump (Winchester 1300 or 1400) from by brother that was new in the 70's. I sold it to my father-in-law because I just did not like the feel of it even though I shot it good. My father-in-law still uses it today and it still kills squirrels, doves, turkeys, clay pigens and deer with a slug barrel that I picked up for it.