Christian Faith and Political Decisions

[billy_56081]

Gary who has run for office who was without sin?

[HarryRichardson]

But Gary all men are evil and born into sin, therefore until the time Jesus Christ comes back to earth we will always be voting for some degree of evil.

McCain would have done the same thing as Obama.

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http://www.issues2000.org/senate/john_mccain_abortion.htm

[Gary G]

Gary who has run for office who was without sin?

Billy, somehow I think I have miscommunicated. It is the Lockean principles that that our founding fathers were so keenly aware that seems to have been lost about the time of the Civil War and are not taught in public schools today of which I judge the politicians. In that regard, I would name Jefferson as the greatest protector of life, liberty and property while dismantling other government interventions not associated with that role.

http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtreat.htm

[Lost Farmboy]

By not voting for the "lesser of two evils", you enable and facilitate the power of the "greater of two evils".

For four more years, or even longer.

You (if the shoe fits) want the Country to fail completely so we can start over fresh?  Even in that event, you're not going to get the "perfect" candidate.

In the last few elections I see little difference between the lessor and greater evil.  If fact I am having trouble figuring out who is the lessor.  Until the TEA Party in 2010 good lost almost all elections in the primaries. 

[HarryRichardson]

By not voting for the "lesser of two evils", you enable and facilitate the power of the "greater of two evils".

For four more years, or even longer.

You (if the shoe fits) want the Country to fail completely so we can start over fresh?  Even in that event, you're not going to get the "perfect" candidate.

  If fact I am having trouble figuring out who is the lessor. 

That's inconcievable to me, given the moral and fiscal treachery so blatantly evident in the actions of Democrats.

[teamnelson]

I submit that the greatest evil is not 4 more years of Obama, but rather that good men are willing to abandon their conscience for the cause of pragmatism. I cannot and will not teach my children that to be a man of character includes choosing evil even if it's in it's lesser form. And we will be stuck here as long as folks believe and perpetuate the lie that it's not about what's right, it's about keeping democrats out of the white house. If electing the leader of the largest nation in the free world is not about conscience, what is?

[Lost Farmboy]

Great Post TeamNelson

[Swampman]

It isn't possible to be a Christian and get elected or serve in office.  I don't care what  preachers have to say.  They are worse than the politicians.

BTW the "Calvinist view" is more correctly the "Biblical view" or "Christian view" since that's where Calvin got his view.

[HarryRichardson]

I submit that the greatest evil is not 4 more years of Obama, but rather that good men are willing to abandon their conscience for the cause of pragmatism. I cannot and will not teach my children that to be a man of character includes choosing evil even if it's in it's lesser form. And we will be stuck here as long as folks believe and perpetuate the lie that it's not about what's right, it's about keeping democrats out of the white house. If electing the leader of the largest nation in the free world is not about conscience, what is?

Thinking like that will propagate the Marxist takeover of this Country.

[nw_hunter]

If electing the leader of the largest nation in the free world is not about conscience, what is?

Unfortunately it's about ignorance! Voting the lesser is exactly the reason we have reached this state of decline in this once proud Republic. I guess it's inevitable! At least that's what history has taught us. It's obvious our view is the minority view on this forum, and in the country as well.

No wonder we get a president like Obama or McCain. The next one will be no different.

[HarryRichardson]

If electing the leader of the largest nation in the free world is not about conscience, what is?

Unfortunately it's about ignorance! Voting the lesser is exactly the reason we have reached this state of decline in this once proud Republic. I guess it's inevitable! At least that's what history has taught us. It's obvious our view is the minority view on this forum, and in the country as well.

No wonder we get a president like Obama or McCain. The next one will be no different.

Why don't you move to a Socialist country, then, and get it over with?  Your line of "reason" is what got Clinton elected via Perot.

Let me analog it for you; let's say you haven't eaten anything for 10 days, and somebody puts a medium-rare Porterhouse on a plate in front of you. (Hopefully, you're not vegan.)

There's no knife or fork.

Do you eat it with your hands, or do you get up and walk away starving so as not to exhibit poor manners?

We're not voting to elect an ideal candidate, here, folks...we're voting to keep the wrong ones from ruining America.

[RaySendero]

I believe in God the father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Ghost.

I support Christian candidates that understand God, Guns and Guts!

[HarryRichardson]

I believe in God the father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Ghost.

I support Christian candidates that understand God, Guns and Guts!

As do I, on both counts.

The point of the matter is, if there are more than one lined up to go against the Godless, Gunless and Gutless candidates, we all need to be on the same sheet of music come election time.

[Swampman]

I believe in God the father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Ghost.

I believe in one God, the Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe the churches should preach salvation only, and stay out of current affairs.

As for me and my house we will serve God (Jesus Christ) and not the church.

[Lost Farmboy]

If electing the leader of the largest nation in the free world is not about conscience, what is?

Unfortunately it's about ignorance! Voting the lesser is exactly the reason we have reached this state of decline in this once proud Republic. I guess it's inevitable! At least that's what history has taught us. It's obvious our view is the minority view on this forum, and in the country as well.

No wonder we get a president like Obama or McCain. The next one will be no different.

Well said nw_hunter.  Only I believe that if America survives Obama the next president will be worse.  Probably a republican in an attempt to offset the damage done by Obama.  How many cycles of this worse to worse do we have to go through for people to wake up and see both parties are on the same team?

[Swampman]

So should we vote for nobody, or not vote at all?  I vote Republican because they are more pro 2nd Ammendment than the Dems.  I really don't care about the other issues.

[powderman]

So should we vote for nobody, or not vote at all?  I vote Republican because they are more pro 2nd Ammendment than the Dems.  I really don't care about the other issues.

The 2nd is very important but morality and family values top the list too. I refuse to vote for anybody who is pro death or pro queer marriage so that pretty well leaves out the dems. POWDERMAN. 

[Swampman]

Leaves them all out as far as I can tell.

[Lost Farmboy]

So should we vote for nobody, or not vote at all?  I vote Republican because they are more pro 2nd Ammendment than the Dems.  I really don't care about the other issues.

The TEA party showed how to do it in 2010.  Ronald Reagan left the democratic party because he though the republican party was more salvageable.  In 2010 TEA party ran candidates in the republican primaries.  To take back our country we need to replace RINOs with TEA party candidates in the republican primaries.  We have a good start in the House, but Rand Paul needs help in the Senate. 

By placing TEA party candidates in the republican party we can stop the evil in the democratic agenda and republican agenda.  The Libertarians and the Reform parties showed us a third party can't work.  After taking the House and Senate maybe we could get a TEA partyer in the White House to undo the decades of executive orders designed to overthrow the constitution.

[HarryRichardson]

So should we vote for nobody, or not vote at all?  I vote Republican because they are more pro 2nd Ammendment than the Dems.  I really don't care about the other issues.

The TEA party showed how to do it in 2010.  Ronald Reagan left the democratic party because he though the republican party was more salvageable.  In 2010 TEA party ran candidates in the republican primaries.  To take back our country we need to replace RINOs with TEA party candidates in the republican primaries.  We have a good start in the House, but Rand Paul needs help in the Senate. 

By placing TEA party candidates in the republican party we can stop the evil in the democratic agenda and republican agenda.  The Libertarians and the Reform parties showed us a third party can't work.  After taking the House and Senate maybe we could get a TEA partyer in the White House to undo the decades of executive orders designed to overthrow the constitution.

 

[Swampman]

I cannot in good faith support the Tea Party.

[necred]

Its impossible to vote for a Christian politician, its an oxymoron...ive always voted for the lesser.

The TEA (taxed enough already) is the only group standing that can save our country.

[Swampman]

I find it odd that a Christian believes this country can be saved..........esp. by men.

[Lost Farmboy]

I find it odd that a Christian believes this country can be saved..........esp. by men.

You have a good point there.  I just can't give up and let it happen without even trying. 

[HarryRichardson]

I find it odd that a Christian believes this country can be saved..........esp. by men.

I find pessimistic Christians to be odd, personally.

[Swampman]

Col 3:1-2... If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

The end of all this isn't a bad thing for me, it's a good thing.

[HarryRichardson]

Col 3:1-2... If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

The end of all this isn't a bad thing for me, it's a good thing.

If you fell in a river, would you just throw your hands up, smile and sink?  No.  You'd swim to shore and save yourself.

Scale that up to a drowning Country, Brother.

I don't personally feel God put us here to be fatalistic.

[powderman]

Col 3:1-2... If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

The end of all this isn't a bad thing for me, it's a good thing.

If you fell in a river, would you just throw your hands up, smile and sink?  No.  You'd swim to shore and save yourself.

Scale that up to a drowning Country, Brother.

I don't personally feel God put us here to be fatalistic.

HARRY. Agreed Sir. There will be many battles before the victory. POWDERMAN. 

[Swampman]

I just believe the Word.  Others can do as they wish.

John 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

[HarryRichardson]

I just believe the Word.  Others can do as they wish.

John 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

That's totally out of context with the topic.