Christian Faith and Political Decisions

[Swampman]

Whose kingdom are you of?

[Lost Farmboy]

I find it odd that a Christian believes this country can be saved..........esp. by men.

Yes we can save the country.  With the TEA party, oathkeepers and the constitution.  But only if we know who the real enemy is and how they operate.  We can save the country, but we won't.

[Swampman]

Let me know how that works out for you...no wait, I won't be here.

[HarryRichardson]

Let me know how that works out for you...no wait, I won't be here.

What, are you going to be translated?

God didn't put us here to throw up our hands and wait for the Chariot to swing down.  Somebody's got to fight evil.

[Swampman]

The best way to fight evil is to live the life.  This world is not my home, I'm just a passin' through......I don't need to care.

[nw_hunter]

If electing the leader of the largest nation in the free world is not about conscience, what is?

Unfortunately it's about ignorance! Voting the lesser is exactly the reason we have reached this state of decline in this once proud Republic. I guess it's inevitable! At least that's what history has taught us. It's obvious our view is the minority view on this forum, and in the country as well.

No wonder we get a president like Obama or McCain. The next one will be no different.

Why don't you move to a Socialist country, then, and get it over with?  Your line of "reason" is what got Clinton elected via Perot.

Let me analog it for you; let's say you haven't eaten anything for 10 days, and somebody puts a medium-rare Porterhouse on a plate in front of you. (Hopefully, you're not vegan.)

There's no knife or fork.

Do you eat it with your hands, or do you get up and walk away starving so as not to exhibit poor manners?

We're not voting to elect an ideal candidate, here, folks...we're voting to keep the wrong ones from ruining America.

First let me say, as an American citizen, I have the right to vote for whom I choose. Be that a Republican, Democrat, A third party candidate or simply no one if the choices are (imo) bad ones.I have no intention of moving to another country to please anyone.I wouldn't have enlisted to defend this one if I didn't think it was worth fighting for..Because I choose to ignore the establishments choice for president or any other office is my business, and a right as an American.

I personally don't believe in voting for the lesser of two evil candidates, and I know we will never have a perfect choice, but we do have a choice if we don't like the ones running on the major tickets, but if you want to vote for the one you think is a little better than the other, then do so, and I durn sure won't tell you to leave the country, if you do.

[Gary G]

The bankers had control of Woodrow Wilson and their ploy was for a central bank. They also had control of the republican candidate so would have had their bank either way and against the peoples will. It is the same today; one party with  two arguing points called dem and republican and most sheeple have been fooled. Keep arguing! That is what the corperatocracy wants you to do, while they buy control of both republicans and democrats and destroy your liberty and wealth little by little. Read some of Robert Higgs books where he has documented that both parties are doing the same thing over time. See how things just keep getting worse even though we have republicans and democrats alternating in the loony house.

I am way too conservative to be a republican and too economically literate to be a democrat and will vote for whom I wish. And if given no choice, I will withhold my consent to be governed by withholding my vote. No government can hold power over the people unless 51% consent and so they keep you divided and arguing amongst yourselves while they rob you. We did not have two parties as we have today until Martin Van Buren. Nothing good has happened since.

[Lost Farmboy]

The bankers had control of Woodrow Wilson and their ploy was for a central bank. They also had control of the republican candidate so would have had their bank either way and against the peoples will. It is the same today; one party with  two arguing points called dem and republican and most sheeple have been fooled. Keep arguing! That is what the corperatocracy wants you to do, while they buy control of both republicans and democrats and destroy your liberty and wealth little by little. Read some of Robert Higgs books where he has documented that both parties are doing the same thing over time. See how things just keep getting worse even though we have republicans and democrats alternating in the loony house.

I am way too conservative to be a republican and too economically literate to be a democrat and will vote for whom I wish. And if given no choice, I will withhold my consent to be governed by withholding my vote. No government can hold power over the people unless 51% consent and so they keep you divided and arguing amongst yourselves while they rob you. We did not have two parties as we have today until Martin Van Buren. Nothing good has happened since.

That's the way I see it.

[Gary G]

After my rant, I found this posted on LRC. I have already ordered Paul's book "Defining Liberty" and am waiting on it. I suppose this is the introduction and it goes very well with my rant, but better written:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul734.html

Farmboy, I think there are about four or five of us on here that have come out of the quagmire with similar ideas and it is interesting that we come from different parts of the country. I am a farmboy in rural Alabama and pretty much independent from the hustle and bustle.

[HarryRichardson]

If electing the leader of the largest nation in the free world is not about conscience, what is?

Unfortunately it's about ignorance! Voting the lesser is exactly the reason we have reached this state of decline in this once proud Republic. I guess it's inevitable! At least that's what history has taught us. It's obvious our view is the minority view on this forum, and in the country as well.

No wonder we get a president like Obama or McCain. The next one will be no different.

Why don't you move to a Socialist country, then, and get it over with?  Your line of "reason" is what got Clinton elected via Perot.

Let me analog it for you; let's say you haven't eaten anything for 10 days, and somebody puts a medium-rare Porterhouse on a plate in front of you. (Hopefully, you're not vegan.)

There's no knife or fork.

Do you eat it with your hands, or do you get up and walk away starving so as not to exhibit poor manners?

We're not voting to elect an ideal candidate, here, folks...we're voting to keep the wrong ones from ruining America.

First let me say, as an American citizen, I have the right to vote for whom I choose. Be that a Republican, Democrat, A third party candidate or simply no one if the choices are (imo) bad ones.I have no intention of moving to another country to please anyone.I wouldn't have enlisted to defend this one if I didn't think it was worth fighting for..Because I choose to ignore the establishments choice for president or any other office is my business, and a right as an American.

I personally don't believe in voting for the lesser of two evil candidates, and I know we will never have a perfect choice, but we do have a choice if we don't like the ones running on the major tickets, but if you want to vote for the one you think is a little better than the other, then do so, and I durn sure won't tell you to leave the country, if you do.

It's obvious to anyone who reads your comment that you twisted my rhetorical question, used to illustrate a point, into a demand that he leave the Country.  How Dem.

To the members who constantly assert their "right to vote for whomever I want"; that's not even part of the issue.  Nobody even mentioned that you don't have that right. Voting smart is the crux.

It's unfathomable to me how a person with reasonable intelligence can't conclude that he will foul his nest with the same progressive offal we've experienced with Democrat leadership off and on for decades by voting third party.

Any Military man should know better. 

[teamnelson]

Harry, I like your sig line. Its a reminder to me that ultimately I am accountable to the Master ... not for the perptuity of democracy in North America, but for obeying Him in all things. Its for that reason that I can not ever vote for a known lessor evil. Doing so jeapordizes whether or not I am going to hear "Well done ..."

You seem to fear that voting conscience will always result in evil winning. I'm not negating what happened to Perot, but neither do I believe that that should be sufficient cause to deny the teachings of my Lord, and knowingly choose a small evil. Do you genuinely think that there are so few God fearing Christians in this nation that if we all voted per our conscience, evil would still triumph? Do you think that fighting evil with evil is what He wants from us?

Have a little faith that when you do things God's way, having faith in Him, the results are always in His hands. When faith replaces fear in our nation, voting conscience will keep a constitutional republic in perpetuity, because that's what the people who founded this great nation did - they voted with their conscience, never choosing a smaller evil for fear of results.

You may notice my sig line - I am a military man, and as such I know that victory "at any cost" is not victory, if the cost was of the morals and values that make our "side" morally superior. It is because I love my country, not hate the enemy, that I feel most able to do the right thing when it matters. I'm not afraid of losing a battle if I can keep the prize in focus, and push on to win the war.

[Lost Farmboy]

Great post TeamNelson.  My thoughts exactly. 

[Lost Farmboy]

Farmboy, Gary.....Bankers are still calling all the shots....that's why when we total all their rippoffs..we have a debt of 14trillion...both parties are responsible for this latest Con. (I love how it is all blamed on regular folks getting a few social programs)  You are living in the crescendo of a usury system....which is truly the Biblical definiton of slavery. The money lenders are back...kicking them out could get you a high noon execution...at least it always has...


..TM7

TM7 what you are saying is true.  George Washington wrote a letter saying he thought the Illuminati were working in America.  I think the founding fathers knew what was coming and wrote the constitution to give us a chance to remain free.  A third party will not get enough support to win.  Ron and Rand Paul and a few TEA partyers ran a republicans.  We can still take our country back from the bankers this way.  If not our last resort will be the 2nd amendment and the bloodiest civil war in history.

[Lost Farmboy]

TM7 I forgot something.  The truth shall set you free.

[Gary G]

A third party will not get enough support to win.

Lost Farmboy, that may change. If my economic expectations materialize, we will see a severe downturn (hyperinflationary depression) prior to the next elections. If so, people will be disillusioned by both parties in power and they will be held accountable, as they should. It may be that, as the republican party came out of the whig party, the tea party comes out of the republican party or perhaps another party forms. Severe economic disruption breeds political upheaval.

At any rate, we will need someone with  strong economic knowledge, notably austrian oriented. Ron Paul and Rand Paul would be good examples along with the Johnson guy from new mexico.

[powderman]

TM7 I forgot something.  The truth shall set you free.

FARMBOY. True, but on judgement day the truth will bind many to satan himself. POWDERMAN.