Author Topic: Christian Faith and Political Decisions (Read 5561 times)

nw_hunter · « **on:** April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM »

Recently, former presidential candidate for the Constitution Party....Chuck Baldwin, was asked this question from a college student.

(Question:) “How do you think Christians use their faith to make
political decisions?”

Pastor Baldwin answered..... Most Christians would have you believe that their faith is
very instrumental in making their political decisions. However, just
the opposite is true: the average Christian’s politics is void of
any genuine Christian faith. It seems, therefore, most Christians base
their political decisions on the principles of “pragmatism,”
choosing the “lesser of two evils,” or based wholly on political
partisanship. The last two Presidential elections are prime examples
of this unfortunate reality.

I agree whole hardly with Baldwin. G.W. Bush was a New World Order Globalist,War Monger, that pretended to be a Conservative.Some had him figured by the second term but voted for him anyway as the lesser of two evils. I'm ashamed to admit I was one of them. "I finally learned my lesson"

NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

My hat's off to preachers like Baldwin. IMO we need more Christian leaders like him.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2011, 11:52:25 AM »

Yep. Good post.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:02:40 PM »

I think balwin is way off base.

powderman · « **Reply #3 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:30:03 PM »

Baldwin is right, and wrong. He's right in that a lot of people SAYING they are Christians, but are not, will vote for even somebody like the obamination. They easily forget that he and his dems are pro death, supporting the murder of children and the homosexual agenda, aside from having no morals or family values.
He's wrong in that Real Christians support nobody with those beliefs because they are contrary to Gods word and abominations. So, if Baldwin is including folks who are Christian in name only, I reckon he's right, but he's not talking for me or any Christian I know. POWDERMAN.

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** April 07, 2011, 05:28:51 PM »

tm. You either did not read my post, or I didn't type it slow enough for you to understand it. There ya go on zionists and Jews again, nobody else mentioned them but you. I'll type slower next time. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2011, 01:34:11 AM »

The fact that so many different religions / churches makes it evident there are many views of Christian. The fact that one does not agree with you does not mean they are not faithful . I know someone will say there is only one but many may not agree with your choice or Balwins .

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2011, 05:08:28 AM »

SHOOTALL. Anybody can call themselves a Christian, even baby butchers and homosexuals, doesn't make them one though. People can go to church every time the doors are open, do good deeds, act like the nicest person in the world, etc. They can even be a preacher, don't mean they are Christian when these same people condone the murder of millions of babies and agree with homosexual marriage, and vote for those who promote it. It really burns my butt to see some folks brag about being Christian out of one side of their mouth, then turn their head and argue for gay marriage and tell me that the murder of innocent children is a womans choice. POWDERMAN.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2011, 09:20:14 AM »

Quote from: powderman on April 07, 2011, 05:28:51 PM

tm. You either did not read my post, or I didn't type it slow enough for you to understand it. There ya go on zionists and Jews again, nobody else mentioned them but you. I'll type slower next time. POWDERMAN.

good one PM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2011, 09:24:32 AM »

Powderman , I know and a blanket statement like Baldwin made is so stupid . What others call one is not important a true christian knows they are one and acts/votes as such.

powderman · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2011, 09:36:22 AM »

tm. I know what and who I am, I also know what and who you are.
SHOOTALL. True Sir.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2011, 12:39:00 PM »

Charlie, our resident antisemite is just upset that everyone is calling him on his hate mongering and is trying to deflect. Don't even give a second glance. Just counter his BS with the truth and he will go away. Just like his DU cruise missilesand 4000 watt death ray that ran on AA batteries

, when the truth is exposed he quits posting.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 08, 2011, 03:03:06 PM »

If you don't vote for the lesser of 2 evils ( democrat or republican ) the government now considers you a terrorist. Read the miac report. Chuck Baldwin, he is one of the terrorist named in the report.

http://www.infowars.com/secret-state-police-report-ron-paul-bob-barr-chuck-baldwin-libertarians-are-terrorists/

I find myself leaving more and more blanks when voting because I can no longer vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2011, 08:04:20 AM »

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Reverand Baldwin is spot on. He has identified the real American enemies.,,,And they are not from the outside, and on the lower levels they appear as bigots, deniers, religious know-it-all extremists, war lovers, and assundried simple namecalling itjits.

tm. WOW. I never thought you'd admit to that. Good for you. POWDERMAN.

HarryRichardson · « **Reply #13 on:** April 14, 2011, 09:49:33 AM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM

NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

Which means another vote for Obama.

BBF · « **Reply #14 on:** April 14, 2011, 10:53:03 AM »

Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 14, 2011, 09:49:33 AM

Quote from: nw_hunter on April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM
NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

Which means another vote for Obama.

That is the way it works out!

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2011, 11:13:07 AM »

Lost farmboy, very inportant that you not leave blanks on a ballot. They can be filled in by less than honorable people. PLEASE, write in "None of the above", or "For None listed", in the write in portion.

By the definition in your link, I must be one, but then the DOHS agrees because of my veteran status. Governments that go rogue or fringe always calls patriots enemies. Whats that line at the beginning of Braveheart? Historians will call me a liar? The oath of enlistment along with many other offices include "defending the constitution against all aggressors, both foreign and domestic". Just who decides the aggressor status? Patriots fighting tyranny and/or oppression? Or the gov't that tramples the peoples rights?

Quote from: scatterbrain on April 14, 2011, 10:53:03 AM

Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 14, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: nw_hunter on April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM
NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

Which means another vote for Obama.

That is the way it works out!

Not voting for one, does not mean a vote for the other. It means a vote for someone other than the clowns offered. Doing the same thing over and over changes nothing. Last election is durable proof. chairman"O" offered hope and change, how much has his policy really differed from bushII? We're still at war (now on three fronts), Gitmo bay is still open, our borders are still leaking like a sieve, our jobs are still being done offshore. demicans /republicrats, same same.

HarryRichardson · « **Reply #16 on:** April 14, 2011, 12:34:26 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on April 14, 2011, 11:13:07 AM

Lost farmboy, very inportant that you not leave blanks on a ballot. They can be filled in by less than honorable people. PLEASE, write in "None of the above", or "For None listed", in the write in portion.

By the definition in your link, I must be one, but then the DOHS agrees because of my veteran status. Governments that go rogue or fringe always calls patriots enemies. Whats that line at the beginning of Braveheart? Historians will call me a liar? The oath of enlistment along with many other offices include "defending the constitution against all aggressors, both foreign and domestic". Just who decides the aggressor status? Patriots fighting tyranny and/or oppression? Or the gov't that tramples the peoples rights?

Quote from: scatterbrain on April 14, 2011, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 14, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: nw_hunter on April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM
NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

Which means another vote for Obama.

That is the way it works out!

Not voting for one, does not mean a vote for the other. It means a vote for someone other than the clowns offered. Doing the same thing over and over changes nothing. Last election is durable proof. chairman"O" offered hope and change, how much has his policy really differed from bushII? We're still at war (now on three fronts), Gitmo bay is still open, our borders are still leaking like a sieve, our jobs are still being done offshore. demicans /republicrats, same same.

Divided we fall.

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2011, 12:46:11 PM »

Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 14, 2011, 12:34:26 PM

Quote from: Pat/Rick on April 14, 2011, 11:13:07 AM
Lost farmboy, very inportant that you not leave blanks on a ballot. They can be filled in by less than honorable people. PLEASE, write in "None of the above", or "For None listed", in the write in portion.

By the definition in your link, I must be one, but then the DOHS agrees because of my veteran status. Governments that go rogue or fringe always calls patriots enemies. Whats that line at the beginning of Braveheart? Historians will call me a liar? The oath of enlistment along with many other offices include "defending the constitution against all aggressors, both foreign and domestic". Just who decides the aggressor status? Patriots fighting tyranny and/or oppression? Or the gov't that tramples the peoples rights?

Quote from: scatterbrain on April 14, 2011, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 14, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: nw_hunter on April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM
NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

Which means another vote for Obama.

That is the way it works out!

Not voting for one, does not mean a vote for the other. It means a vote for someone other than the clowns offered. Doing the same thing over and over changes nothing. Last election is durable proof. chairman"O" offered hope and change, how much has his policy really differed from bushII? We're still at war (now on three fronts), Gitmo bay is still open, our borders are still leaking like a sieve, our jobs are still being done offshore. demicans /republicrats, same same.

Divided we fall.

That is the obaminations goal. POWDERMAN.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2011, 03:29:15 PM »

Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 14, 2011, 09:49:33 AM

Quote from: nw_hunter on April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM
NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

Which means another vote for Obama.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for the other black guy and my conscience it clear.

HarryRichardson · « **Reply #19 on:** April 15, 2011, 03:29:02 AM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on April 14, 2011, 03:29:15 PM

Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 14, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: nw_hunter on April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM
NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

Which means another vote for Obama.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for the other black guy and my conscience it clear.

Still (mathematically) increased Obama's chances of winning.

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** April 15, 2011, 05:11:11 AM »

Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 15, 2011, 03:29:02 AM

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on April 14, 2011, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: HarryRichardson on April 14, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: nw_hunter on April 07, 2011, 11:41:03 AM
NO! I didn't vote for Obama. Didn't vote for McCain either.

YEP, sure did. POWDERMAN.

Which means another vote for Obama.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for the other black guy and my conscience it clear.

Still (mathematically) increased Obama's chances of winning.

BBF · « **Reply #21 on:** April 15, 2011, 09:16:27 AM »

A vote for the Opposition carries more weight then a None Vote.

teamnelson · « **Reply #22 on:** April 15, 2011, 09:32:02 AM »

Quote from: scatterbrain on April 15, 2011, 09:16:27 AM

A vote for the Opposition carries more weight then a None Vote.

Rev. Baldwin is talking about voting by conscience, not by results. Only you can answer the question for yourself if you're proud of the fact that you voted to win rather than voted what was right. Personally, I am glad to see more and more people question the logic of winning at all costs, rather than being right. That was the ideology that founded our nation. There is only One to Whom I am answerable to, and He cares that I cast my vote for what was right, not which candidate won.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #23 on:** April 15, 2011, 09:39:12 AM »

TN said:

There is only One to Whom I am answerable to, and He cares that I cast my vote for what was right, not which candidate won.
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Amen

BBF · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2011, 09:50:10 AM »

I'm not much on situation ethics.

There may be a reason to vote against someone rather then for someone if it is the only way "more evil" can be stopped. It would not be my first choice but if it is the only viable choice I'd do it.

Gary G · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2011, 02:32:56 PM »

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. It is also giving them your consent to them to rule over you. This is what they want you to do. It is one snake with two heads; dem & republican. They keep the people fighting among themselves while they do their dastardly deeds. The people are already divided and conquered. Both parties take you in the same direction, taking more from you than you are willing to give in both cost and liberty; look at history. As long as people have this mindset nothing will change until the system financially implodes upon itself, and this may be near.

God gave us life, liberty and property, and the right to defend it. I do not have the right to harm any other persons life, liberty or property. So then, why does the government take the view that they can do what I cannot morally do. If I vote, it will only be for someone with the same libertarian and moral views regardless of party. I refuse to vote for the robber and transferrer of wealth or the destructor of life. My refusal indicates my moral right to not submit to their rule over me, and I wash my conscience of their evil deeds.

I agree with Baldwin!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 15, 2011, 05:10:16 PM »

But Gary all men are evil and born into sin, therefore until the time Jesus Christ comes back to earth we will always be voting for some degree of evil.

HarryRichardson · « **Reply #27 on:** April 16, 2011, 01:35:54 AM »

By not voting for the "lesser of two evils", you enable and facilitate the power of the "greater of two evils".

For four more years, or even longer.

You (if the shoe fits) want the Country to fail completely so we can start over fresh? Even in that event, you're not going to get the "perfect" candidate.

powderman · « **Reply #28 on:** April 16, 2011, 05:04:46 AM »

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By not voting for the "lesser of two evils", you enable and facilitate the power of the "greater of two evils".

HARRY. True Sir. POWDERMAN.

Gary G · « **Reply #29 on:** April 16, 2011, 05:29:56 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on April 15, 2011, 05:10:16 PM

But Gary all men are evil and born into sin, therefore until the time Jesus Christ comes back to earth we will always be voting for some degree of evil.

But Billy, that is the Calvinist view. I personally don't accept that. (Ezek 18:18-24)

To the others: I voted your way for nearly forty years and it made not one ounce of difference. Now, I will vote only what I think is right based on natural law, otherwise I will withhold my sanction. I doubt it will make a difference either, but if many people did the same as I, it would make a difference. Besides, my conscience is clean.
McCain would have done the same thing as Obama.