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Offline Rustyinfla

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150th annivesary on Tue.
« on: April 10, 2011, 09:40:29 AM »


   Tue will be April 12th and will mark the 150th anniversary of the beginning of the attack of Ft.Sumter.

   Be sure to remind everyone.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2011, 05:37:33 PM »
You mean the attempt to drive the invaders from SC?
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2011, 01:18:36 AM »
You mean the use of violence to drive American soldiers from an American fort?

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/119637204.html
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2011, 08:12:07 AM »
Quote from: ironfoot on April 12, 2011, 01:18:36 AM
You mean the use of violence to drive American soldiers from an American fort?

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/119637204.html

No, I meant exactly what I wrote - an attempt to drive invaders from SC.  Lincoln could have pulled the federal troops from SC, but ordered them to stand fast.  And was sending supplies and reinforcements. 

As I pointed out in other threads, it wasn't SC sending an invasion force to NY or Boston, was it?
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 08:29:10 AM »
I meant exactly what I said, it was the use of violence to drive American soldiers from an American fort...so there.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 09:03:05 AM »
You mean a SC fort.  SC had left, remember?  At best, the federal troops were illegal occupiers.  The troop and supply ships just hours away were invaders.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 09:04:54 AM »
SC can't leave....

Why would Lincoln pull Federal troops from a Federal fort?  The first shots of the war were actually fired at Ft. Pickens the night before.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 09:43:45 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on April 12, 2011, 09:04:54 AM
SC can't leave....

Why would Lincoln pull Federal troops from a Federal fort?  The first shots of the war were actually fired at Ft. Pickens the night before.

Can you please state the statute or article of the Constitution that prohibited any state from leaving at that time?  You and others keep claiming that states were prohibited, but none of you have been able to give a single citation to back it up.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 09:49:34 AM »
Federal troops prevented them from leaving.  It took 5 years......
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 10:12:55 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on April 12, 2011, 09:49:34 AM
Federal troops prevented them from leaving.  It took 5 years......

Are you then saying that there were no legal or constitutional issues to prevent any state from leaving the Union?
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 11:28:58 AM »
The rebs had as much right to Ft Sumter as the Cubans have for Gitmo.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 12:07:43 PM »
Quote from: subdjoe on April 12, 2011, 10:12:55 AM
Are you then saying that there were no legal or constitutional issues to prevent any state from leaving the Union?

They never left the Union as far as the North was concerned.  The North considered them to be in rebellion which they were.  They sent troops to fix that.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2011, 12:12:55 PM »
If they never left, they why did they have to be readmitted?  Can't have it both ways.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2011, 01:00:36 PM »
Because Lincoln wasn't alive.  He considered them unruly children.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2011, 03:55:07 PM »
Huh?????
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2011, 01:59:54 AM »
The local (NC) paper had 2 events to commerate the 150th highlighted.. #1 The confederate shelling of Ft. Sumpter, #2 A ceremony in NY, to honor the state that lost the most lives = 53,000.
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Re: 150th annivesary on Tue.
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2011, 07:47:15 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on April 12, 2011, 01:00:36 PM
Because Lincoln wasn't alive.  He considered them unruly children.

And his answer was to kill them off? ::)
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