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Kawasaki Logo?
« on: April 10, 2011, 05:48:40 PM »
I've got a vintage sissy bar that came off my son's first bike, a 1980 Kawasaki 650. The logo looks very much like a Harley Davidson logo. So much so that I'm wondering if there was copywrite issues over it. Anyone know anything about Kawasaki using this and is there a story behind it? I found one on Ebay and starting bid is $97.00. I'm selling it at a Flea Market booth I rented so I'd like to know as much as possible about it before setting it out.


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Re: Kawasaki Logo?
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 06:30:47 PM »
Looks like someone ground the harley-davidson off and carved in kawasaki. Probably not a copyright issue though as everyone knows imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ;)

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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 06:40:20 PM »
Nope, it was made that way by Kawasaki and the lettering is raised. My guess is that it's just differant enough from the Harley logo that they got away with it but as a retired professional sign painter I know how touchy Harley is about use of their logo. That's why I'm curious about it and if there was a fuss it could easily add to it's value. 

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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 07:46:20 PM »
Ok- you are right
You asked for an opinion, I gave mine as a professional machinist-
You as a former sign painter say its impossible to change an emblem, you are right.

Just wondering why is the font, the depth of the lettering and the patina different on kawasaki from the rest of the emblem?

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 05:26:19 AM »
Ok- you are right
You asked for an opinion, I gave mine as a professional machinist-
You as a former sign painter say its impossible to change an emblem, you are right.

Just wondering why is the font, the depth of the lettering and the patina different on kawasaki from the rest of the emblem?

And I apreciate your opinion but you are missquoting me. I did not say that a logo is impossible to change. What I said was, "as a retired professional sign painter I know how touchy Harley is about use of their logo." Anyone caught using their logo, in any manner at all, without their permission is setting themselves up for one heck of a law suit. That includes anyone thinking they can use it by simply altering it a little. They are extremely touchy about it! As a sign painter I had to be very much aware of copywrite issues where logos are concerned. I painted many signs for motorcycle dealers, many that sold Harley's, and even though they sold them they had to get special permission to even put up a Harley sign. Some were refused permission and so quit selling them! Those that didn't get permission, and put up a Harley sign, found themselve's lip deep in crap from Harley Davidson.

  Back to the bar, I don't have a picture of the sissy bar that I own. The one in the pic is the identicle one off Ebay. I simply copied and pasted to show what the logo looks like so there is at least two in existance. The one on Ebay and mine. Mine looks like brand new and the chrome is unblemished. Try to understand, you are looking at a rather poor pic of what apears, to me at least, a dirty sissy bar so it's hard to tell the depth of the background around the lettering and the lettering itself. I have an actual sissy bar to inspect and mine is unblemished in any way. Also, while it's very similar to a Harley logo, the  shield is shaped a bit differant. Believe me, I considered your opinion but stop to think. The sissy bar is not all that thick to begin with. To grind off an emblem completely, then take out the background to about 1/2 inch ( the hight of the letters ) then the sissy bar would be very thin where the background is, but it's not. The clencher is that the surface of the lettering is the same exact hight of the sissy bar's surface itself. To have altered the emblem the surface of the modified lettering would have to be lower if something was ground off. The only way it couldn't be would be if the original logo was raised beyond the surface of the bar wich would put it uncomfortably poking a rider in the back and no bar I've looked at is made like that. to get to the bottom of it I'm going to email Kawasaki a pic and ask them if it was produced by them. I'll let you know when I get an answer.

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 07:17:08 AM »
The kawasaki shield is shaped a little differently than harley's, maybe they got around the trademark that way, i've seen aftermarket parts too that have the bar and shield on them but with no writing inside. Your pic looked like polished alum which would be easier to modify than chrome, thats why I thought it might be a backyard job.

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 10:16:32 AM »
The kawasaki shield is shaped a little differently than harley's, maybe they got around the trademark that way, I've seen aftermarket parts too that have the bar and shield on them but with no writing inside. Your pic looked like polished alum which would be easier to modify than chrome, thats why I thought it might be a backyard job.

Easy enough to mistake as it's not the greatest pic. To add to the confusion someone had added a true Harley Davidson slip on back rest to mine. lol I'm selling them seperately I think. It should be interesting to see what Kawasaki says about it.

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 11:53:26 AM »
SH, I have no idea who made them,  whether they were from Kawasaki or some aftermarket outfit but I do know there were a bunch of them around in the late 70's and through the 80's.  Buddy of mine had a 900 with the same bar on it around 78 or so.  When the local Kawasaki dealer went out of business sometime in the 90's a buddy of mine took all the leftovers out of the shop and there were a handful there still wrapped in plastic.  Seems to me there were 2 sizes of them with one of them being really tall.

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2011, 11:59:15 AM »
The shield is elongated more than the Harley shield is---no lawsuit. The wings go up instead of out to the side like Harley wings do---no lawsuit. Harley may not like it, but they can't do anything about it, because if that's the case, they'd be tied up in court for the rest of their lives over just defending their shield in court with all the bike clubs wearing unauthorized emblems on jackets that Harley didn't make or sell, so they could get kickbacks from. How about tattoos? Harley didn't authorize those either, and I've seen lots of bikers tattooed with Harley shields. Harley may of designed the style of bar/shield/wings as their trademark, but anybody can take a nice trademark and redesign it to suit their style after trademark laws runout---which is usually 10yrs from what I understand. The bar/shield/wing emblem has been around what---90yrs? Also what about Harley copying Indian engine design and stealing it? What about Harley making an engine that looked like a BMW with it's WLA(?) model. Harley tried to sue Honda back in the 80's over the Honda engine design of a V-twin. Remember that---they lost. They lose again with Kawasaki.
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Re: Kawasaki Logo?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2011, 07:52:41 AM »
Harley is now printing Denso on their carbs.... is this a misprint, or are all harley carbs now made in Japan? :)

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 02:32:09 PM »
Harley carbs, like many other parts, are indeed contract pieces from overseas.  It is my understanding that when the Davidson family took back control of the company from AMF that one of the many things they did to save the company was to outsource much of the sub-assembly work.  Things like carbs, seats, electronics, etc.  Much easier to tell a supplier what quality level you will accept and let them do the R&D work.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 02:50:00 PM »
Harley is now printing Denso on their carbs.... is this a misprint, or are all harley carbs now made in Japan? :)
is harley still makeing carb bikes?maybe sportys?just curious.were the kehins they used for years jap?i think the CV carbs they used were american but i could be wrong.

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2011, 02:55:50 PM »
harley is very protective of their trademark for sure. a buddy of mine had a shop in joplin mo. jus a lil mom and pop thing. his sign that was similiar to the harley emblem only it said FRANKS, HEAVY DUTY, CYCLES in the rockers.they sued his ass off.didnt cost him a lot if i remember but he agreed to just change his sign

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2011, 08:30:23 PM »
Harley is now printing Denso on their carbs.... is this a misprint, or are all harley carbs now made in Japan? :)
is harley still makeing carb bikes?maybe sportys?just curious.were the kehins they used for years jap?i think the CV carbs they used were american but i could be wrong.

I think as of '09  all Harleys are fuel injected (denso electronic injection, and ignition)


harley is very protective of their trademark for sure. a buddy of mine had a shop in joplin mo. jus a lil mom and pop thing. his sign that was similiar to the harley emblem only it said FRANKS, HEAVY DUTY, CYCLES in the rockers.they sued his ass off.didnt cost him a lot if i remember but he agreed to just change his sign

Is this the same "Heavy Duty Cycles" that used to be Owned by Donny? (Had a regular column in American Iron)

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Re: Kawasaki Logo?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2011, 04:43:06 AM »
Harley is now printing Denso on their carbs.... is this a misprint, or are all harley carbs now made in Japan? :)
is harley still makeing carb bikes?maybe sportys?just curious.were the kehins they used for years jap?i think the CV carbs they used were american but i could be wrong.

I think as of '09  all Harleys are fuel injected (denso electronic injection, and ignition)


harley is very protective of their trademark for sure. a buddy of mine had a shop in joplin mo. jus a lil mom and pop thing. his sign that was similiar to the harley emblem only it said FRANKS, HEAVY DUTY, CYCLES in the rockers.they sued his ass off.didnt cost him a lot if i remember but he agreed to just change his sign

Is this the same "Heavy Duty Cycles" that used to be Owned by Donny? (Had a regular column in American Iron)
as far as i know it was never owned by donny,or at least not for the last 30 yrs. frank is retired and as far as i know just closed up his shop when he retired years ago.

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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2011, 04:23:50 AM »
I seriously doubt that is a Kawasaki factory accessory.  I was in the industry in those days and the aftermarket catalogs were full of stuff like that.  I also doubt it's worth $97....

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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2011, 06:22:37 AM »
If I remember correctly, that was an aftermarket part and was available with many different manufacturers names, honda, kawasaki, suzuki etc. Hence the font difference that you mentioned and the appearance of being added after that Mirage mentioned. So you're both right, nothing worth arguing over.
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Re: Kawasaki Logo?
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2011, 04:43:15 AM »
I sold it for $50 so I'm happy. The guy that bought it didn't hesitate one bit. :)