That's the thing, GB. Mine (20C) load specifies standard pressure. They also load I think a gold dot. They are loaded as low flash. My only guess is there are different opinions on where the +P ratings start? Shooting the 20C load does not feel +P so I will agree with the box that it is not. But 964 fps is what it was clocked at with BB's 4" Ruger, I thing a Security Six.