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Entry into the Anchorage PD is highly competative, and a high paying job.  I have known many Anchorage Police Officers, that after over time, and night differential made well over 150K.  And this was back in the late 80s and early 90s.  Pay is a lot higher now than back then.  Can't really blame the Illegial for looking for the best job he can find, but how did he get so far, and last so long.

Illegal immigrant allegedly used false ID to serve Anchorage Police for 6 years
by Rachel D'Oro / The Associated Press

Apr 22, 2011

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - For years, the man known as Rafael Espinoza was widely respected as an exemplary police officer who was popular among his peers in Alaska's largest city.

All that ended this week when authorities discovered he was really Mexican national Rafael Mora-Lopez, who was in the U.S. illegally and stole another man's identity, officials charged.

"His reputation here is one of a hard-working officer, one who was very professional," Anchorage Police Chief Mark Mew said Friday at a news conference announcing Mora-Lopez's arrest. "The problem, obviously, is he is not Rafael Espinoza."

Soon after the announcement, Mora-Lopez appeared in U.S. District Court in Anchorage and pleaded not guilty to a charge of passport fraud, which carries a maximum 10-year sentence. At his arraignment, Mora-Lopez told a federal magistrate he is 47, even though officials listed his age as 51.

His attorney, Alan Dayan, declined to comment to The Associ ated Press.

Federal agents processing a renewal request for his passport discovered the alleged fraud. He was arrested Thursday after authorities searched his home and found documents confirming his true identity, officials said.

Mora-Lopez had been employed as an Anchorage police officer since 2005 under the assumed name. Police and federal prosecutors said he doesn't have a criminal record.

"We have no evidence that this individual had at the time been anything other than a good police officer," Karen Loeffler, U.S. Attorney in Alaska said.

The real Rafael Espinoza is a U.S. citizen who lives outside Alaska.

Officials said it's too soon to gauge implications of the case, such as any fallout over Mora-Lopez's court testimony in past criminal trials. Authorities released limited details, saying the case was still unfolding.

Mew said the department conducted a pre-employment criminal background check on Mora-Lopez and he also passed a polygraph tes t. A national fingerprint check also turned up empty.

The arrest was a "bitter pill to swallow" for many in the police department, Mew said.

There are no immediate plans to file state charges, said John Skidmore, a state attorney. He and other officials stressed that the case was still under investigation.

"At this time, we have no reason to believe, from what we know so far, that this gentleman or this officer's good work for APD has in any way been compromised or questioned," Skidmore said.

U.S. Magistrate John D. Roberts set bond at $50,000, and ordered Mora-Lopez to home-confinement and electronic monitoring. His defense attorney told the magistrate that Mora-Lopez has a wife and child in Alaska and has close ties to Anchorage, where he has lived since the late 1980s.

"He's not going anywhere," Dayan said.

The wife could not be reached by phone for comment Friday.

The passport fraud case is similar to one involving a Mexican national who took the identity of a dead cousin who was a U.S. citizen in order to become a Milwaukee police officer. Oscar Ayala-Cornejo was deported to Mexico in 2007.


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Re: And people claim Illegials only take jobs Americans don't want
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2011, 12:02:29 PM »
Illegal here over 20 years?? Send  his butt packing SOUTH and send his family with him. Burns my butt. How embarassing for the police dept. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2011, 01:53:38 PM »
That's interesting.  Wonder if bho is illegal?
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Re: And people claim Illegials only take jobs Americans don't want
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2011, 01:58:36 PM »
That's interesting.  Wonder if bho is illegal?

   I don't know, anyone seen his birth certificate..or naturalization papers ? ;) :D
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 03:50:23 PM »
So does this mean that every citation he ever issued has to be refunded?

So much for background checks huh?

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2011, 03:54:21 PM »
Yeah, I was wondering on the legality of any actions this officer made?  Crazy.  Kind of sad for him - too bad he didn't jump thru the hoops the right way and do it right.

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 03:30:55 AM »
Sad. He has proven himself to be a fine officer and citizen. To bad there is not a quick way to legalize him, what a loss.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2011, 04:35:40 AM »
Sad. He has proven himself to be a fine officer and citizen. To bad there is not a quick way to legalize him, what a loss.
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HEH, yep, a fine citizen. He proved himself to be a fine con artist and criminal. Legalize him?? He should be made an example of.  POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
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Re: And people claim Illegials only take jobs Americans don't want
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2011, 04:41:10 AM »
he should have sought his goals through the right channels etc..short cuts ,almost always find you out..jmo.

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Re: And people claim Illegials only take jobs Americans don't want
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2011, 04:56:13 AM »
How about feeling sorry for the legal candidate who didn't get hired, because preference was given to an illegal.  I'm betting that the police department had some kind of sappy hiring policy that gave extra points for being something other than a white male.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2011, 05:07:49 AM »
Yep;  I've seen that happen a many a time when I was working.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2011, 05:32:40 AM »
I've seen it happen in my company.  They have promoted women and minorities into positions they have no experience or training in.  I have more education and experience than some who have been promoted over me.  My biggest problem is I don't play golf.  Instead I like to hunt and fish.  Hmm.  I have had to come behind these inexperienced people and straighten up their messes.  I designed a distribution system into an industrial park using 6" steel high pressure gas main.  I've been with my company 36 years.  A woman in a higher position had it changed to 8" plastic.  Now it is undersized and we can't add anymore load without installing a parallel high pressure main.  Oh, the plastic was less expensive.  Our division didn't have any 8" plastic tools or fittngs.  We did have 6" steel as we have steel all over the division.  We also have welders qualified in gas high pressure welding.  So much for that fiasco. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2011, 06:20:56 AM »
Yep, preferential hiring policies saw my brother passed over for promotion by the seattle fire dept a few times. He finally got promoted to Lt., but gave up on ever making Capt.

Our local sheriffs dept has been known to hire not based on qualifications.

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2011, 06:34:04 AM »
How about feeling sorry for the legal candidate who didn't get hired, because preference was given to an illegal.  I'm betting that the police department had some kind of sappy hiring policy that gave extra points for being something other than a white male.

Same preference was given while I was in the Army 82-90 for promotions. Minority bonus point's.

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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2011, 07:43:39 AM »
We are supposed to live in a nation where equality for all is professed, why do we have policies that recognize or give merit to others,
 based on skin color or annual income?  Seems to me that our policies to eradicate  racism, is in fact assisting in the promotion of. Does Liberty and justice for all mean with exception based on who you're parents were? I grew up knowing who the project manager was, who the welfare man was, and advanced myself on my own merit and hard work. "Disadvantaged" is mostly another word for gimme. Equality?? Umm, yeah.


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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2011, 09:31:38 AM »
This guy has lived in Anchorage since the late 80s.  I moved there in 89, and was looking for work.  Found out both the City and the State had a hiring preference on during the time.  White Males and Black Men and Women were not classified as minorities in Anchorage.  They were looking for White Women, Latinos, and Orientals.  I spent two years trying to get on with the City Police, State Troopers, or into the Prison System.  Every eight weeks I saw a new classes start and no White Males or Black people were in them. 

I knew several white women that got jobs with the City Police Dept.  One quite the first week, a second lasted seven months.  A third one got shot and medically retired.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2011, 09:59:24 AM »
We are supposed to live in a nation where equality for all is professed, why do we have policies that recognize or give merit to others,
 based on skin color or annual income?  Seems to me that our policies to eradicate  racism, is in fact assisting in the promotion of. Does Liberty and justice for all mean with exception based on who you're parents were? I grew up knowing who the project manager was, who the welfare man was, and advanced myself on my own merit and hard work. "Disadvantaged" is mostly another word for gimme. Equality?? Umm, yeah.

Pat; I have to remind myself from time to time that this isn't the same nation I was taught it to be when growing up. 
Just look at the language for instance.    I was taught that all public material was to be printed in english.   Now, even private business is being scolded, so to speak, for not having mexican (not Spanish) speaking interpreters.

This nation was estabished as a Christian nation, and I believe its goal was sending misionaries throughout the world.  Now minsionaries are coming here.   Even the incentive for the white man to excell has been corrupted by unfair business practices.   It seems America is being attacked from every sly angle to bring her to her knees.   And at this stage of the game, if we don't stand on our knees and return to our Christian heritage, our symbol of freedom, liberty, and justice for all will be nothing more than a memory.   
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2011, 01:20:39 AM »
when i was working in the steel trade they put a mexican to work with me i trained him then he moved up i found out the hard way latter they really hate are guts they need to do something with there own country.

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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2011, 05:47:31 AM »
I remember back many years ago a local black rabblerowser in Lou KY got the natives all stirred up complaining that there were no black sgts on the city police force. They had a sgts exam for BLACKS ONLY. The highest score of ALL of them was 60, 70 passing. They made the highest scoring flunkee a sgt. Several whites started a lawsuit for discrimination and were told to drop it or be fired, they dropped it. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2011, 06:22:28 AM »
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska - For years, the man known as Rafael Espinoza was widely respected as an exemplary police officer who was popular among his peers

What's the problem again?
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2011, 07:41:53 AM »
This guy has lived in Anchorage since the late 80s.  I moved there in 89, and was looking for work.  Found out both the City and the State had a hiring preference on during the time.  White Males and Black Men and Women were not classified as minorities in Anchorage.  They were looking for White Women, Latinos, and Orientals.  I spent two years trying to get on with the City Police, State Troopers, or into the Prison System.  Every eight weeks I saw a new classes start and no White Males or Black people were in them. 

I knew several white women that got jobs with the City Police Dept.  One quite the first week, a second lasted seven months.  A third one got shot and medically retired.
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2011, 02:17:03 PM »
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What's the problem again?

He is an illegal citizen is the problem.  Being here illegally is a criminal act therefore he is a criminal.  Why can you not see this?  He should have gone threw the proper channels to become a US citizen.   The fact that Espinoza is a model cop does not negate the fact that he is in the country illegally.   Why does this not register with you liberals?  >:(
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2011, 03:57:58 AM »
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Why does this not register with you liberals?

Because he has demonstrated over two decades that he is a model citizen even if he did come in as an illegal. I would think that he has earned a break. Sad, you far right folk cannot see and accept any good in those that may have made mistakes and have redeemed themselves, especially when not US born or are just looking for a better life for themselves and their families.
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2011, 04:16:46 AM »
By that way of thinking, should we allow 2, or 3 billion more illegals to come on in and if they are good we should just keep them?  You either have laws, or you don't.  A law doesn't usually give you a choice whether you want to comply, just because you are looking for a better life.  What about the real American citizens who are looking for a better life?  I guess they need to go to Mexico.
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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2011, 06:20:42 AM »
Can we refrian from the name calling please.
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Can we refrian from the name calling please.

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guzzi. Thanks, another good laugh. Model citizen?? POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D ;) ;) ;)
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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2011, 04:28:20 PM »
Put him in general population and deport his kid. Yesterday. When the other inmates take care of him, deport the remains to his kids. That will send a clear message.

As an aside, are Anchorage cops morons? Who hires a "46 year old" to be a cop? That is when they retire.

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« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2011, 06:14:18 PM »
An Illegal alien (read that criminal invader) impersonating a police officer. I'm sure there could be some other charges worth mentioning. A criminal cop breaking the law EVERY day he woke up. He's a criminal. Just the same as all other people, regardless of nationality, who are in this nation illegaly.  >:(

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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2011, 06:33:46 PM »
I work with an 'illegal alien".  A product of the Reagan Amnesty.

Came over in time to qualify for the amnesty, went to college on the taxpayers dime, and now holds a managerial job with a salary any American would envy.

You say, "But that was 30 years ago."

I say, "Not even supposed to be here."

They may be mowing lawns today, but in 20 years, they'll be taking your kids jobs.

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