Author Topic: 219 zipper improved, 219 donaldson wasp etc handis (Read 2991 times)

WyomingWhitetail · « **on:** May 03, 2011, 07:07:34 PM »

so I have wanted a 219 donaldson wasp ever since i discovered the cartridge and im thinking about maybe building one in a handi or maybe a 219 zipper improved as i know where i can borrow a reamer. I figure if i can find a handi with a 223 heavy barrel it would be a pretty simple re-chamber. The donaldson wasp is a pretty hot little cartridge tho and im not sure how strong these actions are (what would be the safe pressure limit??). So im assuming i could just swap the extractor for a 30-30 one and re-chamber (need to make sure a 219 will clean up a 223) and i would basically be done. Im also assuming i would probably want one of the faster twist barrels but not sure. Any body actually do this that could provide some insight?

sidewinder319 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2011, 07:33:13 PM »

It would much easier to find a post 64 Mdl 70 chambered in .225 Winchester.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2011, 08:06:55 PM »

Modern H&Rs are factory chambered in 270 Win with a SAAMI MAP of 65kpsi, so the Wasp even at top loads of 60kpsi and the much smaller 30-30 case head would be no problem. IIRC, Marv has a 219 Zipper that did the rechamber himself by hand, I've rechambered a 30-30 H&R to Ackley by hand, shoot 60kpsi loads in it, and very, very accurately. Go for it!!

Tim

WyomingWhitetail · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2011, 08:39:30 PM »

well i figured that since the handis come in just about every derivative of the 30-06 from 30 to 25 cal (except for 6.5-06 might have to stub and barrel and fix that) a 219 Donaldson Wasp would not be a problem but ya never know till ya ask. So every thing else would be as straight forward as i think it would be then?? no nasty surprises.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #4 on:** May 04, 2011, 03:45:30 AM »

It should be a good caliber in a handi. I always thought I would ream a 223 to 225 if I needed more than what a 223 does for me. O ly down fall is brass availability. Lucky I have a small supply!!

CW

gcrank1 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 04, 2011, 04:45:44 AM »

At one time I entertained the thought of the '30-30 type' basic brass selection of calibers, 219Zip, 25-35, 30-30, and 38-55. I would have chosed the faster twist .223 barrel also, just to be able to handle the heavier bullets if desired.
The 25-35 I have, and has to be custom stubbed, and from what I see, the Zip should be a simple rechamber (and the improved types likewise) and use the 30-30 ejec/extr.
Well, I wont be doing it (too many projects and not enough time) and hope you do and tell us how it works!

WyomingWhitetail · « **Reply #6 on:** May 04, 2011, 05:09:35 AM »

Well the thing i like about the 219 improved is im already set up for 219 zipper ( i just put together a marlin 336 in 219 zipper) so i already have the cases made all i would have to do is fireform and get reload dies, would be about the same for the Donaldson wasp. There was a 22-250 on the shelf the other day at the store that im thinking about buying then i could shoot it and send it in a get a 223 barrel or two to rechamber and a 22 hornet barrel for squirrels.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 04, 2011, 05:41:37 AM »

Have you considered the H&R .22Mag using WW Dynapoints for squirrels? The faster jacketed WW loads are only about 1" different so I dont have to twiddlw with the scope adjustments and good for 100+. Works on the big greys and reds here and I dont find myself with the 'wrong barrel on' with it a complete rifle.

WyomingWhitetail · « **Reply #8 on:** May 04, 2011, 06:23:34 AM »

well i have always wanted a 22 hornet, not sure why just something about that little tiny reloadable case that i like. i would love to have a dedicated reciever for every gun but that increases the cost quite a bit.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 04, 2011, 08:11:53 AM »

I know several here have, and like them, but for me, after having 3 different rifles in it and 2 in 22.Mag, I kept finding myself grabbing the Maggie H&R. Granted, my Hornet cast bullet loads werent what most shoot out of one so the Dynapoint 45gr. flash plated lead HP @ 1500 fps chrono'ed about matched my Hornet handloads. The little, thin case is futzy, though the Lee collet neck sizing die was the 'meow' with my low pressure loads too. Some cases I had over 20 reloads in! With jacketed I had more beans, but if I realy wanted more beans I wanted more cartridge, thus the 25-35. Now Im thinking that after the 22 Mag I might as well jump up to a 130ish gr. in a 30 cal., then the 38-55 and 45-70.
Hey, its ALL fun!

WyomingWhitetail · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:07:29 AM »

well i really want a 45-70 too but i think ill wait and get the buffalo classic for that one and work up some good cast loads for it. its only money right

Catshooter45 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2011, 10:34:53 AM »

I can tell you that a 223 chamber will almost, but not quite make a clean Zipper chamber. It leaves a bump on the shoulder, gives you a kinda double shoulder. Can't say about the Ackley.

I had my 223 Handi barrel re-chambered to .225 Winchester. Works wonderfully. 60 grain Noslers at 3200 fps and shoots into less than 3/4 of an inch at 100. Though I like the 225, I really wanted a Zipper. Oh well.

Cat

gcrank1 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 04, 2011, 10:44:28 AM »

Well thanx for that, saved me dissappointment for sure. I kinda figure now that if I just had to have a 22 CF I might just as well leave it a .223 and shoot the 'white box'. That is, if a nice one was to fall in my lap.......
My neighbor just showed me his 22-250 bolt Savage with Accutrigger, mil-dot scope and laser 'illuminator', said its about a 400yd. gun. The target he had for 2 groups, two different shooters at 200yd would have done most proud at 100. Sounds too good to be much of a challenge, dont you think?
(no 'jack intended

)

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** May 04, 2011, 01:59:59 PM »

Marv did his Zipper from a Hornet.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,106496.msg1098304183.html#msg1098304183

3leggedturtle · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2011, 02:52:12 PM »

Gander Mtn in Denver has 22 Hornet for $249. Scope base D&T'ed for sight but no iron sights. Nice wood and is an ejector model. Been going to go in and offer them $199 for it. But really want a Topper Model 158. 3leg

Bob A · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2011, 03:53:39 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on May 03, 2011, 08:06:55 PM

Modern H&Rs are factory chambered in 270 Win with a SAAMI MAP of 65kpsi, so the Wasp even at top loads of 60kpsi and the much smaller 30-30 case head would be no problem. IIRC, Marv has a 219 Zipper that did the rechamber himself by hand, I've rechambered a 30-30 H&R to Ackley by hand, shoot 60kpsi loads in it, and very, very accurately. Go for it!!

Tim

Tim, 60k psi in a 30-30 AI? How do the cases hold up? Are they formed from 30-30 or 375? This sounds like something I should be doing.

Bob A

quickdtoo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2011, 04:41:52 PM »

I use 375 Win brass, but I've read of others using 30-30 brass, dunno how well 30-30 holds up, but I do know it works fine in the 375 Win, but that's not a bottlenecked round which may make a big difference. My load is the Sierra 125gr SPT @ ~2900fps.

Tim

Catshooter45 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 05, 2011, 12:58:17 PM »

Sorry to let the air out of yer ballon gcrank1. Remember though, the Ackley Zipper may work, I don't know. Bummer too, I really,really wanted one. Oh well. The 225 is nice and it does have a bit of a rim, which I much prefer in a single shot.

Just think of it. Handi's in Zipper, .30-30 & .38-55. With cheap and easy to find .30-30 brass you're good to go from varmits to elk! Oh well.

Cat

gcrank1 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 05, 2011, 01:21:35 PM »

Actually, I hadn't got the fire going to fill the balloon anyway........
After my 22 Mag the 30-30 isn't a bad 'varminter' and the 38-55 will bust crows too

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #19 on:** May 05, 2011, 05:00:41 PM »

3leg just remember that M158 is low pressure for centerfire. Kurt

3leggedturtle · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2011, 05:59:08 AM »

Quote from: PHATINJUN on May 05, 2011, 05:00:41 PM

3leg just remember that M158 is low pressure for centerfire. Kurt

Thanks, yes i do. The one at Gander is a SB2 frame. But jus prefer the slimmer, trimmer 158. The older i get the less need i have to push things. usually stay couple grains under max, if'n i need more speed i will go to my 223 or just breakdown and buy a 22/250. Todd