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Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« on: May 04, 2011, 03:57:36 PM »
Its progressed to the point that to travel anywhere in alaska you will use fuel wither gas or diesel av-gas (100LL) or Jet A to get where your hunting or fishing.

Just this week a village friend viseting Kotzebue wanted to eat Breakfast at The Bayside Resturant so seated at the window orderd a orange juce, coffee, and buscits and gravey, he had a refill on coffee and went to register to settle up......over $31 :o, he politely ask'd why the steep price the menu stated $13.95 for the B&G the korean gal replied the transportation costs were high to Kotzebue. :-[

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/156884

www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-rural-alaskan-brace-for-high-gas-prices-20110503,0,4555297.story

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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2011, 04:40:53 PM »
Oh man Rex!  I'm scared!  Seems like every time someone moves from Kotz to Dilliingham they complain that Dlg costs more!  We're sweating gas prices.  I need to fill up my jugs at the rack before the barge gets in.   A barge was here for a while - freight barge I think.  But ice came in and they had to leave. I hear they hope to get to the dock again tomorrow or Friday.   We're paying $5.75 or $5.76 at the pump now. Rumors of over $7 up to $10.  I hope they are wrong but who knows?  Glad I can row the Lund.  The jet boat may not be used much this year.  Ouch!
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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2011, 08:10:48 AM »
Gas at OTZ pumps is already in excess of $6 a gallon, there saying a $2 jump in fuel prices as we get ours barged in or more to the point they offload the deep draft barge out in the sound on to shallow draft ones to make it through the dredged channel to OTZ Crowley docks.

Crowley is chargeing $7 a gallon at the dock tank farm for AV-gas (100LL) its higher at the airport (over the wing fueling)

folks useing jets should remember Jets gulp the gas as compared to prop boats, if your lucky enuff to have deep narrow rivers  :D seems there getting lower and shallower as well  :-[, they used to run fuel barges to Ambler (ABL) in the 1990's they cant now, the river is really funkey at Kiana (IAN)
I guess the Everts Air Fuel crew and there old C-46's will get a workout this season.

I plan on adding a little here and ther to heating oil tank before the barge hits (nickel n dime it full)
so by Aug I should be full (500gal) mabe fuel some drums too. its cheaper to get at the dock than the pumps, one the guy's that has a PA12 (airplane) gets a break in his gas as he buy's from a airline as they have a fuel contract with crowley so its cheaper than at the tank farm(connections)

Wonder if Hugo Chavez is still handing out them 100gallon heating fuel vouchers for Alaskan's? knew he did last year ;D

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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2011, 08:36:20 AM »
Man that's tuff to over come . We stopped going to Canada to hunt with the dollar slipping and fuel cost ( 1850 miles one way plus scouting cost while up there ) it got to expensive . It seems ya'll are 1/2 again as much more for fuel , $4 a gal in places here.
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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 09:31:37 AM »
Our price is $4.80 here but its worth it just to live here. The cost of subsistance is what you want to spend and in truth if willing to walk a mie or two you can fill your larter without gas.

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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2011, 12:29:42 PM »
In southeast mabe its so with woods up to edge of town, in OTZ you have coastal barren tundra  a minimum of 8 to 9 miles across a body of water before you get near black spruce, have to cover allot of barren ground to collect small game now with a snowmobile you have to commute least 2 miles to decent spot for ptmargan even so not enuf for a family of 4 to subsist on, if your running a dog team you have to also feed them too.

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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2011, 08:42:36 AM »
Yep different worlds for sure. Thats why families used to have three or four places to live through the year but those days are gone for the most part

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2011, 12:05:06 PM »
Here around Dillingham with the long history of snowgos, game is pretty scarce close to town - especially enough to feed 2500 people.  People have been hunting waterfowl lately (yes its legal subsistence here).  Salmon are plentiful & close in summer. Moose and other game you have to get out.   SE is right too - villages used to be smaller and everybody had outlying fish and hunting camps.  Lots of moving around - dog powered.  I still try to imagine how much fish was put up in the 1890's-1920's for all the dogs. IN the early 70's when I worked at Igiugig, some of the smoke houses were huge.  Folks put up over 1,200 fish and they didn't use dogs much by then.  Now the fish racks are a lot smaller. Also up at Fish Camp a few miles down stream from Nondalton, there were HUGE fish racks full of fish.  I haven't been there in the summer for many many years.  They still put up a lot of fish but I wonder if its anywhere the amount of old days. Well, better get my gas jugs ready to fill up before the barge comes and the price jumps.

I should get going on putting a prop on my big boat - I don't need the jet for a lot of the traveling I do. But I'd have to modify the transom for about $1200 - that buys a fair amt of gas for the amount I use the boat. A new lower unit is another $1000-$1,400. Ka-ching every way I turn!  Yesterday I went to the dump and got some more  tires to use as raised beds for potatoes.  Just sold a piece of property yesterday - hope I don't regret not keeping it and turing it into a big garden - but that would take 5 yrs.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2011, 10:16:57 AM »
Got to love pushing over a stack of tires and picking up potatoes,let the kids pick them out of the insides. We put the garden in a few days ago. I just use a 9' Zodiac and 3 1/2hp merc for all my boating needs but I got nothing but time

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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2011, 07:10:39 AM »
Well it's all relative to your income. When I moved to met 14 years ago gas was less than $1.00 a gallon. I bought a 28ft byliner classic. Took about a gallon a mile to run it. When gas went over $2.50 I downsized to a 19ft runabout with a 90 hp merc on it. Now that gas is over $4.00 it is once again cheeper to ride the ferry to town.

A RT plane ticket to town was $20.00 dollars back in 1997 but now is over $100.00. Food and everything else has gone up too. Everything except my paycheck.  ;)

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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 05:38:16 PM »
Patorp,

You might want to rig a mast and sail on that 19 footer....  ;D  or get a square stern canoe with a small kicker.  Did they finish that road to... can't remember the name of the bay, but it is across from Mountain Point?  It wouldn't be much of a jaunt to go across from there.

Gas here was up to $4.20, now it's at $3.90.  That's in SE Ohio.

What's stove oil going for now?  We replaced the wood stove in our house in Forest Park with a pot-burner drip stove and it kept the place toasty with about 250 gallons per year.  There was a French stove available which was claimed to be 95% efficient (ours was 60%) but the price of it was about three times what we had into our setup from Talbot's.

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 03:32:01 AM »
Hawk,

I filled my #1 fuel oil tank a couple of months ago and it was $4.00 a gallon. Thats over $1000.00 to fill the tank.

Edenpure electric heaters hit Met a couple years ago but in truth they just can't keep up with our winter temps. If I didn't have the health problems I have I'd just heat with wood like I did in New Mexico. But my health won't alow me to cut enough wood to do that & wood isn't cheep to buy. A few years ago the town would hire young men to cut & deliver wood for the elders but finances have tightened up and they no longer do that.

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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 04:03:06 AM »
do you all think there will be any significant de-population of rural alaska due to the cost of living?  Will folks move in large numbers to the cities or lower 48 to escape the high prices?  Seems to me that it would be a possibility, but like most people, they probably don't want to leave their way of life.


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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 07:34:33 AM »
No nobody will leave. We will just complain. There are only about 600,000 total population in Alaska. Even if we all left that would not change anything down south.   ;)

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 07:37:34 AM »
Just like all you guys down south that say well I sure wish I could live in Alaska are not going to pay the price to make your dream come true.

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2011, 01:06:04 AM »
yes people have been leaving bush Alaska in increasing numbers as the costs have shot up.  I'm beginning to think about it myself. The quality of the schools is going down hill too as the number of students decline.  I might have waited too long.  A lot of houses are for sale and no one is buying them. I'd probably have a hard time selling mine.  Gas jumped up to $6.73 from $5.75 a week ago in Dillingham.  Not quite as bad as I was expecting but still mighty tough.  I know one family that is looking to move as soon as they can locate a job somewhere else. The price of gas, oil and a cut in their health insurance, plus over work and no help has driven them to start packing. The depopulation of bush Alaska hasn't been as dramatic as predicted but its happening.  The number of former bush students in the Anchorage school system has grown to where they have a group designed to help rural students make the transition.  It can be quite a shock for kids moving from a school of 20 to 100 to be thrown into a school of over 1,000 living at a much faster pace and talking way faster etc.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2011, 11:02:11 AM »
Here in Fairbanks we are seeing two different dynamics taking place at the same time.  Many long time Fairbanksans are leaving for the lower 48 lowering the population.  Then I am seeing a huge influx of rural people moving into town.  The Army is constantly bring in more troops.  So the number of people in Fairbanks is holding stable.  The cost of energy is killing us here, we have a lot of people that if they could sell out they would and leave.  I know many families that have left and are renting their house to the new GIs because they can not sell it for what they owe. 

Fuel oil is a real killer for the community.  My last two top offs cost $1,200.00 and $1,600.00.  Luckily I had changed out my boiler to a new hybrid boiler that cut my fuel consumption in half.  You guys that live on the coast just can not fathom what it is like when the temp drops to 50 or 60 below and stays there for a week or so.  Boilers run almost constantly.  Or when the temp drops to 30 below during the day and 50 below during the night, and just sits there for a month or so.  It's dark all the time so you have to have lights on when ever you are home.  Either the car goes in the garage or has to be plugged in, running up the electric bill.  Heat tapes on the well to keep the water flowing, again running up the electric bill.  Electric bills going pout of sight due to the fuel surcharge.  The North Pole power plant uses fuel oil to produce electricity.  Back when they built the power plant (late 70 or early 80s) fuel oil was the cheapest thing to use. 

The wife is looking for a job in either Maryland or Virgina.  If she gets one we will just let our son continue to live here till he finishes college, then we will put the house on the market.  If she can not find a new job we will stay where we are.

There is so many things that can be done to solve our problems but the government or environmental groups are blocking the way.  We can use more coal, but the environmentalist scream about the pollution.  We need a gas line from the north slope, but the government (EPA) stymies that.  A gas line from the north slope to Fairbanks then on to Delta, Glenallen, Copper Center, and Valdez, could have branches off to Anactuvic Pass, Arctic Village, Mento, Tok, Northway, and Chitna.  While this would not directly affect you guys out in OTZ, Dillingham, or S.E. it would eventually have a bleed over affect in helping to lower the cost of energy for you guys.  We could have propane facilities that could process it and move it out to the rural areas lowering the cost of energy for you.  Lowering the energy cost to deliver commodities to Fairbanks, lowers the cost of commodities going to rural Alaska from here. 

A railroad connected to the lower 48, would bring supplies to Fairbanks cheaper than barge to Anchorage, then truck to Fairbanks.  Plus I have been screaming this for years, without any alternate route to get supplies to Alaska except through Anchorage we are putting all our eggs in one basket.  One big volcano like Katmai, or another Earth Quake like in 64, and the rest of Alaska is screwed.  Just think if an Earth Quake happens just at the critical time to ship out fuel and groceries on the barges in Seattle or Portland, and the barges do not make it that year, what will the folks do in OTZ.  Fairbanks is not going to be supplied at that time either.  Anything that does make it through will be stopped at Anchorage.  Once things start flowing again, it will have to be air freight to rural areas.  Causing more rural people to have to move to town.  Things are not looking good for any of us.  Yet all we can do is just hunker down and endure.  Rog       
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Barge hit town, fuel price on the rise
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2011, 05:11:07 PM »
Our last seasons gas price at the gas pump was $6.72/gal the first fuel barge of the summer hit and prices rose to reflect the new price.....not for the better Im afraid.
 
One the local OTZ gas stations new price posted at the counter (prepay before gassing)

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Re: Hunting and fuel price impact on hunting/subsistance
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2011, 09:31:16 AM »
We got up to just a fraction of a penny below 5 bucks/ gallon as of Thursday last week.
 
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