Author Topic: WTC building #7....why? (Read 5645 times)

sdb777 · « **on:** May 06, 2011, 03:54:23 AM »

With all the things I've ever seen happen, this would be the first 'material item' I've ever seen 'fail' because it may have felt bad for the other two buildings......

Why did building #7 fail? Well, we may never really know for sure considering the debris pile was immediately picked up and melted down as fast as possible. Even inspectors that could have investigated the collapse want to know why this was done.... Given the information they could have obtained from the first building ever brought down due to fire(and still the only building of its design in history to collapse from fire)....just the safety information alone could have helped future peoples that need to enter burning buildings would have been 'lifesaving'!

The trucks that were carrying the materials from this building were even fitted with GPS devices to keep an eye on the materials. One driver was 'released' after taking an extended lunch break....that's pretty tight control of people. Guess the powers that be didn't want anything being taken off the truck load...
Wonder why??

Considering the entire building dropped in it's footprint, in a space that was less then 2 stories in height, and it was centered around it's vertical axis. The only time this can happen is in a demolition blasting of a controlled natural. All other buildings that have come down without blasting have none of the similarities that this one does.

Who rented the biggest area in building #7?
Hmmm.............

Scott B

sdb777 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 07, 2011, 03:59:41 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on May 06, 2011, 04:44:10 AM

How about that magic beam story...?

TM7

It would be necessary to have every beam on the ground floor to be made of 'magic' for this building to structurally fail. And the concrete used would have also had to fail. Considering the fires that were reported to be 'out of control' were on floors 11...due to a 20 inch water main that had been broken.(duh, 2 blocks from the Hudson....might have been dry due to global warming, no that's wrong, the building should have been under water from the 20 rise in sea level from global warming).

Another really cool thing was the BBC reporting 23 minutes to early, and CNN reporting the building collapsing or had collapsed an hour prior to the 6.5 second collapsing of the structure.

Scott B

1marty · « **Reply #2 on:** May 07, 2011, 05:01:52 PM »

Each of the buildings were attached therfore, one building collapse would lead to another. I worked down there and watched the buildings come down. I suppose you guys believe all the jews were called that day not to report to work. Oh yea-the US never landed on the moon it was all a stage show and Roosevelt engineered the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Give me a break!!

sdb777 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:54:19 AM »

Quote from: 1marty on May 07, 2011, 05:01:52 PM

Each of the buildings were attached therfore, one building collapse would lead to another.

No they weren't, tunnels or walkways do not 'connect' a building structurally. The World Trade Center buildings complex numbered a total of seven(7). Two were hit by aircraft and building #7 was hit by some debris, had fires on a few floors(we are up to three out of seven building so far).
So that gatekeeper piece of information won't fly, as the other four buildings are still standing.....unless you know something about a future collapse that everyone else doesn't know about?

I worked down there and watched the buildings come down.

What type of work were you doing at the Trade Center complex? And why were you not at work?

I suppose you guys believe all the jews were called that day not to report to work. Oh yea-the US never landed on the moon it was all a stage show and Roosevelt engineered the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Give me a break!!

Was actually hoping to stay on topic, and leave the gatekeeper stuff for somewhere else(your not really that good at it...you didn't call me a 'Conspiracy Wacko' or anything(that's gatekeeper 101))!

In order to debunk something, you'll actually need to do a little homework...or at least do the copy/paste thing from someone that has done the homework for you. I actaully try to debunk some stuff, but it usually leads to evidence that doesn't make a lot of sense......and I find more things that need answering.

Scott B

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:23:37 PM »

Quote from: 1marty on May 07, 2011, 05:01:52 PM

Each of the buildings were attached therfore, one building collapse would lead to another. I worked down there and watched the buildings come down. I suppose you guys believe all the jews were called that day not to report to work. Oh yea-the US never landed on the moon it was all a stage show and Roosevelt engineered the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Give me a break!!

Gee 1marty there was building 6 and a street inbetween building 7 and building 1. How were they connected underground? Then how did buildings 1 and 2 collapse building 7?

1marty · « **Reply #5 on:** May 08, 2011, 03:22:25 PM »

The building was attached by 2 walkways. As the north tower collapsed a tremendous amount of debris struck 7 World Trade weakening its integrity thus, causing the collapse. Unless you saw the collapse as I did you could never imagine the amount of debris.
I live about 35-40 miles north of NY on the west side of the Hudson. I had taken the Port Jervis Line NJT into Hoboken that morning and then the PATH into the WTC. I was headed to the elevator bank in the north tower to visit a client when the plane hit. they were telling the people to remain in the building but with several other people I left going up Church street then west on chambers then watching the collapse over by the west street.
See, it's useless trying to be logical with these conspiracy people since no matter what is presented they'll just reject it as inadequate.

1marty · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2011, 04:20:34 PM »

and the martians are living in Yuma waiting for the signal to invade Clevland. Prove that they are not.

sdb777 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2011, 02:06:29 AM »

Quote from: 1marty on May 09, 2011, 04:20:34 PM

and the martians are living in Yuma waiting for the signal to invade Clevland. Prove that they are not.

That is typical 'gatekeeper' type info(can't argue with facts, so name calling has to do).
We all know the Martians are inside Charlie Sheen, and are currently living with you.

Two walkways between building are not structural support. Walkways hang in between building, the other other thing I can find that 'connects' the buildings was a shopping center thingy under the complex.....I guess if that had imploded on itself it could create a problem supporting the base of the building?

There is no reason you shouldn't question everything....doesn't make you crazy. Just makes you more informed about the goings on it the world.....besides, what if I'm correct?

Scott B

sdb777 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2011, 03:54:20 AM »

Never thought of the re-distrobution via insurance fraud.....hmm, might be sometime to read up on. Thanks TM

Scott B

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2011, 11:26:42 AM »

A good video about building 7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4

BUGEYE · « **Reply #10 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:05:25 AM »

this all makes an interesting debate. however, even CBS nor NYT will investigate it.
when those liberals won't touch it, that means there's nothing to it.
they would love to blame Bush for it.

sdb777 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 29, 2011, 01:50:23 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on May 29, 2011, 09:05:25 AM

this all makes an interesting debate. however, even CBS nor NYT will investigate it.
when those liberals won't touch it, that means there's nothing to it.
they would love to blame Bush for it.

The Media definitely will not touch it.....those in control, will not let it happen. Regardless of which 'party' can be blamed, do you really see any difference between the two parties? I don't see any difference, other then the promises made that are never kept.....

Bush family hasn't been blamed for most of the stuff they were 'into'.
#1: Funding the Nazi Party(Prescott Bush)
#2: Selling WMD to Iraq(Papa Bush)
#3: Allowing a black flag operation on US soil(Baby Bush)

Scott B

BUGEYE · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2011, 05:31:19 AM »

sdb777, I'm pretty much a 2 issue voter. abortion and gun control. since that's what democrats are for, I have to vote republican or independant.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2011, 12:17:41 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on May 29, 2011, 09:05:25 AM

this all makes an interesting debate. however, even CBS nor NYT will investigate it.
when those liberals won't touch it, that means there's nothing to it.
they would love to blame Bush for it.

The republicans and democrats are playing good cop bad cop with the American people. Only they are both bad cops. The news media is controlled by the advertisers that fund them. The corporations that advertise and fund the media are controlled by their boards of directors.

The criminals that looted Enron, Worldcom and the Pentagon sit on the boards of directors. The CEOs of the media companies sit on the same boards and were involved. That is why they reported building 7 falling down 10 minutes before it happened. All the records for the investigation of Enron and Worldcom were in building 7. The Pentagon was hit in the accounting office where the records for the 2.3 trillion missing dollars were destroyed. No they will not touch that. If Bush is the hit man, the CEOs are the mafia bosses that ordered and paid for the hit.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2011, 03:06:49 AM »

If a handful of folks here know all of this stuff. howcome all authority figures don't??
you'all are doing some wishful thinking.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #15 on:** May 31, 2011, 02:28:37 PM »

TM7, you really believe all this garbage don't you.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #16 on:** May 31, 2011, 02:54:30 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on May 31, 2011, 03:06:49 AM

If a handful of folks here know all of this stuff. howcome all authority figures don't??

Some do.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #17 on:** May 31, 2011, 06:45:13 PM »

[quote author=TM7 link=topic=233512.msg1099312335#msg1099312335 date=130503347 The buildings were condemned for the most part needing milions of dollars of reno work...so why did Lucky Larry Silverstein buy them and insure them immediately for terrorist attacks.? He made billions in the end.

..TM7
[/quote]The buildings had already been attacked once. That would be akin to asking why you keep insurance on your house after the roof has been replaced from hail damage. And why would you buy a building needing renovation work? Cause the price is right. Seems millions were made flipping real estate just 4 yrs ago.

Lucky Larry was lucky wasn't he. I hope fuzzy wuzzy will pardon me for that.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 05, 2011, 03:19:57 AM »

One thing I have never heard were there were experienced folks that noticed high explosive explosions.

sdb777 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 05, 2011, 05:12:36 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on June 05, 2011, 03:19:57 AM

One thing I have never heard were there were experienced folks that noticed high explosive explosions.

Don't need to be 'experienced to see'.....Even the most unexperienced can clearly see windows being blown out from explosives going off.

Must admit, the people responsible for the demo on this building were very good at their job! No other building damaged to the point of having structural failure nearby.....awesome work.

Scott B

billy_56081 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 05, 2011, 05:17:29 AM »

SDB you don't know what I am talking about.

sdb777 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 05, 2011, 05:20:42 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on June 05, 2011, 05:17:29 AM

SDB you don't know what I am talking about.

No one does!

Scott B

billy_56081 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 05, 2011, 05:25:13 AM »

People who know explosives do. One thing I have noticed about the tinfoil bunch is there is very little common sense and real world experience among them.

sdb777 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 05, 2011, 07:29:54 AM »

Ah, namecalling, when comforted with actual, un-touched, video showing you that explosives were used. You try using the re-direction gatekeeper stuff......again! Expected as much from the 'denier crowd'...... At least when you get herded into the 'Re-education Camp' you'll go along quitely and eat the Blue pill.....

Did you ever get that video from your cousin?

Side-tracked for a moment, but people are still wondering if the building felt sorry for the other building and impoded on itself.

Scott B

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #24 on:** June 05, 2011, 01:19:54 PM »

sbd777

Unfortunately Billy's cousin passed away. We have to except his testimony the way it is.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 06, 2011, 03:07:09 PM »

Well TM I did have some EOD training in the Army and also did a bit of low velocity blasting in a stone quarry. Folks even slightly familiar with high and low explosives know what I am talking about.

Matt · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:37:18 AM »

So how many of you have heard this radio traffic?

Did you even know about a van exploding?

So much we don't know but still some refuse to see this for what it was.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #27 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:49:50 AM »

the sound thingy on my computer is broke. I have to just read stuff.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 08, 2011, 02:32:18 AM »

For one TM there is no "average mil eod training" and yes the company I work for has explosives licences. Licences for both high and low velocity explosives.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 08, 2011, 02:52:27 AM »

TM I have hadtraining with both high velocity and low velocity explosives. We use both semiregularly. ... . but hey some folks do have a bit of real experience in the world. BTW how can a layman tell the difference in a high and low explosives blast from witnessing it? Lets see if you know. And what kind of explosives are used in building demo?