Bolton says gun control top priority for the obaminations 2nd term.

[magooch]

Unless Osama gets elected to the position of Dictator, he would need Congress to add to, or change the law.  At the moment, the House is not in Dumycrat control and in 2012 there are many more Dumycrat Senate seats up for grabs than there are Republican.  I know that wouldn't stop Osama from trying to issue executive orders, but that should be enough to bring it on.

Maybe it's time to take a look at John Bolton for President.

[yellowtail3]

Maybe it's time to take a look at John Bolton for President.

I've a friend who way left - calling him a liberal doesn't get it - and for some reason, he hates Bolton, I do not know why. I'll have to ask...

[subdjoe]

What gun control laws were there in the 1860's (or shortly after). Serious question.

You would need to check state by state, but many southern states enacted laws that made it illegal for blacks to own guns.

[wreckhog]

What gun control laws were there in the 1860's (or shortly after). Serious question.

You would need to check state by state, but many southern states enacted laws that made it illegal for blacks to own guns.

Southern LIBERALS?

[lakota]

The Racist Roots of Gun Control:
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

[lakota]

I wouldn't get all worried about it, the federal government doesn't have the power to disarm anyone, felons, drug cartel, illegals, or anyone else. They certainly don't have the power to disarm us. Seems like some or most of the states would control most the gun laws anyway.

I disagree. They arent worried about criminals. Criminals are loved by the democrats. They share many common values.

If they are ever able to muster an outright ban they will have the millitary go door to door confiscating guns and shooting anyone who resists. If they cant get the US millitry to do it the will get U.N. troops from other nations to do it

[wreckhog]

The Racist Roots of Gun Control:
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

Fascinating. So neocons banned liberals from having guns, the liberals got used to it, and now the neocons are surprised and unhappy that the tables are turned?

[lakota]

yawn...Abraham Lincoln was a republican. Democrats were pro slavery and anti-black after the civil war. Obama is the head of a political party who's roots lie in racism and who to this day are still racist albeit against another race now. OWN IT AND GET OVER IT!

[wreckhog]

When were the blacks neocons?

[Pat/Rick]

I wouldn't get all worried about it, the federal government doesn't have the power to disarm anyone, felons, drug cartel, illegals, or anyone else. They certainly don't have the power to disarm us. Seems like some or most of the states would control most the gun laws anyway.

I disagree. They arent worried about criminals. Criminals are loved by the democrats. They share many common values.

If they are ever able to muster an outright ban they will have the millitary go door to door confiscating guns and shooting anyone who resists. If they cant get the US millitry to do it the will get U.N. troops from other nations to do it

They don't have to go door to door. Just enacting rediculous laws banning guns outright would do it for them. Those who do not comply will be at risk of being discovered. Either by being turned in, found out during traffic stops, after defending your home or family from assault/vandalism/theft, or any other reason. Felons cannot draw their SS benefits. That will cause alot of folks to yield so they don't loose "their" money.Time they got.

 Take them by force, with or without the assistance of military, either domestic troops, or foreign.? That would result in a civil war of type. Even some passive folks would resist violent oppression/domination. Under the guise of freedom, most bobbleheads are indifferent, mostly worried about which sports collective will win what title, or if the barrista knows how to make a triplemochawoochamuffyw/extrafrippawhipontop.

Armed troops,domestic or foreign, enacting through force, the wishes of a Constitution ignoring tyrannical government? Well, I may be old and beat up, but this old paratrooper knows the meaning of an oath.

[yellowtail3]

A tool gun-grabbers have is tying 2nd Amendment rights to other things. For example... criminal record. It's getting ever easier to be a 'felon' these days - don't piss off a flight attendant! And look at Brian Atkins. the gun-grabbers would like to broaden the class of 'disqualified from guns' as it fits their agenda. Sadly, I think many fellow gun owners will go along with it.

i think they should do away with that 'once a felon, always a felon' bit. But then I'm also in favor of full auto weapons, without having to say Mother, May I? to the feds and pay extortion money. Hey - if we're gonna trust LEO with machine guns, we ought to trust free men and women.

[Mohawk]

My question is still not answered.

[yellowtail3]

My question is still not answered.

what was your question, and to whom directed?

[Pat/Rick]

+1YT. All the new laws that are designed to make more criminals would not be neccesary if the courts would do away with the plea bargaining, that makes the careers of prosecutors shine. The whole "mother may I" is tyranny plain and simple and contrary to the ideas of freedom and liberty.

[Mohawk]

What pro gun legislation has Obama voted in favor of as a Senator or approved as a President? What has he voted against? HB, SB, Ex Order, what? Anything?  Directed to anyone.

[yellowtail3]

What pro gun legislation has Obama voted in favor of as a Senator or approved as a President? What has he voted against? HB, SB, Ex Order, what? Anything?  Directed to anyone.

I'm not aware of any, but then... I couldn't answer that question about most politicians. Maybe someone else can tackle it.
Best I can come up with, is that in spring of 2009 he signed a credit card bill which had attached to it legislation that allows peeps to carry in parks. That upset gun-grabbers, animal rights wackos, and hairy-legged women, all of whom generally like Obama but were angry at him over that. Gun-grabbers were furious, which means the President must have done something good for us. That's all I can think of at the moment, maybe someone else has more.

[Mohawk]

The first part was enough..... "I am not aware of any". Nuff said.

[yellowtail3]

The first part was enough..... "I am not aware of any". Nuff said.

sounds like you wanted someone to make a point for you. Read the rest of the poast.

Were you upset at Obama for signing that bill that the NRA championed, on carrying in nat'l parks? Or does it stick in your throat?

[Mohawk]

Nah, I am more worried about his votes against self defense in a family's home. I am sure another member can fill you in. Carrying in Natl Parks? Who cares. I am more worried about everyday rights, I have never spent one day in a national park. A member last week had a good voting record post about that. I wish they would re post it here.

[Casull]

Quote from: Mohawk on Today at 02:37:20 PM
What pro gun legislation has Obama voted in favor of as a Senator or approved as a President? What has he voted against? HB, SB, Ex Order, what? Anything?  Directed to anyone.I'm not aware of any, but then... I couldn't answer that question about most politicians. Maybe someone else can tackle it.

Best I can come up with, is that in spring of 2009 he signed a credit card bill which had attached to it legislation that allows peeps to carry in parks. That upset gun-grabbers, animal rights wackos, and hairy-legged women, all of whom generally like Obama but were angry at him over that. Gun-grabbers were furious, which means the President must have done something good for us. That's all I can think of at the moment, maybe someone else has more.

Yellowtail, try reading this:   http://www.nraila.org/obama/


Most of the votes were while he was an Illinois Senator (probably because he seldom came to work as a US Senator).  It will give you a pretty good idea of the mentality of the guy you seem to be defending.

[ironglow]

What pro gun legislation has Obama voted in favor of as a Senator or approved as a President? What has he voted against? HB, SB, Ex Order, what? Anything?  Directed to anyone.

  Mohawk;
  First off; you are quite hand in "parsing" your words.  You specifically tried a little trap by saying.. "as a senator or president".
  Let's dispense with that right off;
 
     1) As a senator;  .. as a senator he did almost nothing, if he was there for a vote, and if he voted...he usually voted "present".
     2) As president, he has been too busy..forcing an unwanted Obamacare plan onto us, getting us as deeply in debt as he possibly could. printing about $1,000,000,000,000 (unsecured)dollars (the cause of gas prices and all inflation), using our tax money to buy out Chrysler and GM..so he could give a hefty chunk of each to the unions.. and appointing 'czars' to undermine decisions which once belonged to congress.
     
    As the thread starter said...the 2nd amendment is his target if he gets another chance..Soros has his priorities, you know.

  The only honest way to look at his stance on "gun control" is to look at his public life and what he sought whenever  he was able.  Here's part of his record;

  http://www.issues2000.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

[yellowtail3]

Yellowtail, try reading this:   http://www.nraila.org/obama/

Most of the votes were while he was an Illinois Senator (probably because he seldom came to work as a US Senator).  It will give you a pretty good idea of the mentality of the guy you seem to be defending.

Couple things. First, I didn't vote for him - I've never voted for a Democrat (well, not yet). I know he's not an ally of gun owners... you don't need to persuade me. But he hasn't turned out to be quite the enemy some expected, and others claimed (I was in the former group)

But then, I don't believe he's a Manchurian Mooslim candidate set up from birth to destroy us and deliver us to Mecca, like certain interesting characters seem to... 

[Casull]

IG, I think you and Mohawk are on the same side.  He was asking what "pro"gun legislation has voted for as a US Senator or approved as President.   

[yellowtail3]

     2) As president, he has been too busy..chucking an unwanted Obamacare plan onto us, getting ou as deeply in debt as he possibly could. printing a trillion unsecured dollars (the cause of gas prices and all inflation) and appointing 'czars' to undermine decisions which once belonged to congress.

don't forget... President Obama was also busy leading the effort to see that Osama got his just reward.

(oh... nevermind... can't acknowledgment THAT...)

[Casull]

But he hasn't turned out to be quite the enemy some expected, and others claimed

Wait and see if he is reelected.  If that happens, hold on to your shorts.

[yellowtail3]

But he hasn't turned out to be quite the enemy some expected, and others claimed

Wait and see if he is reelected.  If that happens, hold on to your shorts.

I've predicted trouble then... but hope to be wrong. We'll see.

[Casull]

President Obama was also busy leading the effort to see that Osama got his just reward

Do you really believe that?  Really?

[Junior1942]

President Obama was also busy leading the effort to see that Osama got his just reward

Do you really believe that?  Really?

Yep, really, really, really.  I believe he's the CIC.

[Casull]

Yep, really, really, really.

Junior, I'm not surprised.   

I believe he's the CIC.

I disn't ask about that.

[ironglow]

The first part was enough..... "I am not aware of any". Nuff said.

   Mohawk;
  Just because Yelow didn't happen to..or didn't want top think of any restrictive measure by the boy/king..doesn't mean he hasn't tried..    So your "nuff said"..isn't !
   Let's take a look at the record above.
      BTW: on the issues is a great, non-partisan site which gives "only the facts, mam". You can research any national politician there.

  Paragraph #1
  Obama voted AGAINST a homeowner defending him/herself with a gun..against a home invasion.
  Paragraph #2
       Obama calls for additional "common sense" laws concerning firearms. When a liberal calls for more "common-sense" anti gun laws, that means more 2nd amendment infringement..period!
  Paragraph #3
   Obama clearly lied about his stands against firearms ownership..does he do that regularly ?
   Paragraph #4
    Here's where he calls most of us "bitter clingers"..and goes on to say in the last sentence that he was raised by a 'single mother on food stamps".  Interesting; here is a woman with advanced degrees (probably financed by us) who can't support her son ?  How about the tremendous Kenyan father whom he patterns himself after?  does that mean he endorses refusing to support your children...let the taxpayer do it ?
   Paragraph #5
   Obama says 2nd amendment can stand (with "common-sense" changes, of course)...but it is alright if state and local governments outlaw gun ownership..Huh??   what???         ...How do we say "newspeak" ?

    Then toward the bottom he says George Bush ERRED in letting the "assault' weapons ban expire !  Interesting comparison there..No?

  Further down, some of his long term actions..

  A)  He wants to outlaw all semi-auto guns..

  B) He wants people who get shot by a robber to be able to sue  Colt, S&W, Ruger or Marlin...for what the robber did.  Of course, this would result in all gun makers being forced out of business..something would likely "warm the cockles of his heart"..