Deathers replacing birthers?

[wreckhog]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/05/birthers.deathers/index.html?hpt=Sbin

[lakota]

All Obama had to do when asked for proof of birth place by the Clinton Campaign was to provide it. All he has to do now when asked to provide proof that Bin Laden is dead is to provide it. Providing either in a timely fashion would shut the opposition up but no he would rather let the conspiracy theories build and fester for some twisted reason. So much for the "most transparent administration in history."

[yellowtail3]

Well, when your political enemies come up with some wackjob premise to try to hurt you, and make themselves look like blithering idiots for having done so... why help 'em? Just give 'em more rope...

[George Foster]

There are those who are going to disbelieve everything said by Obama and dislike him no matter what so why pay any attention to them. 

[Junior1942]

There are those who are going to disbelieve everything said by Obama and dislike him no matter what so why pay any attention to them.

If we weren't at war, I'd agree with you.  However, the birthers and deathers don't care if they bring down the country as long as they bring down the president.  IMHO, many of them have committed and continue to commit treason. 

[beerbelly]

The only one's trying to  bring this country down is Obama and the democrats!

[Junior1942]

The only one's trying to  bring this country down is Obama and the democrats!

I repeat myself: the birthers and deathers don't care if they bring down the country as long as they bring down the president.

[wreckhog]

How would one identify OBL? I think that if you put a 17HMR between Sean Connery's eyes, the leftovers could pass for OBL's corpse. Without an actual walking talking OBL it is close to impossible to get over 99 percent. And a walking talking OBL would be a trophy and intel asset that would certainly ramp up attacks by followers.

[magooch]

So now it's an act of treason if you don't believe everything the government says.  I think it's an act of stupidity if you believe everything the government says. 

By the way, I believe Barrack was born and I believe that Osama is dead.  It would be all the same to me if it were the other way around.  Both of them hate this country and mean to bring it down.

[lakota]

There are those who are going to disbelieve everything said by Obama and dislike him no matter what so why pay any attention to them.

And at the other end of the spectrum we have those who will take anything Obama says as fact and never question any of it.

It is so funny that all the questioning of the office the president, the anti bush vitirol, and the hateful behaviors of leftists(they even made a movie about what the country would be like after the president was assasinated) that were accepted and encouraged when Bush was president are not only off limits under Obama but they also are "racist"
Lets write the Obama ten commandments shall we?
I'll start:
"Thou shalt not question the Obama thy god"

[yellowtail3]

It is so funny that all the questioning of the office the president, the anti bush vitirol, and the hateful behaviors of leftists(they even made a movie about what the country would be like after the president was assasinated) that were accepted and encouraged when Bush was president are not only off limits under Obama but they also are "racist"

It's not so much funny, lakota, as it is revealing: there is no moral diff between left and right. For years I thought that the vitriol of the left was because of their LEFT ideology. I figured... no way that conservatives would be so nasty. But then... Obama is elected, and the right-wing nutcases have come out full-throat. Some friends of mine buy into it.

The lesson? Ideological allegiances are what they are. Both sides have wingnuts, and both like to think they don't. The nastiness from conservatives has been one heck of an eye opener for me. Maybe I was just naive, earlier. I'm not as smart as when I knew everything.

[lakota]

It is so funny that all the questioning of the office the president, the anti bush vitirol, and the hateful behaviors of leftists(they even made a movie about what the country would be like after the president was assasinated) that were accepted and encouraged when Bush was president are not only off limits under Obama but they also are "racist"

It's not so much funny, lakota, as it is revealing: there is no moral diff between left and right. For years I thought that the vitriol of the left was because of their LEFT ideology. I figured... no way that conservatives would be so nasty. But then... Obama is elected, and the right-wing nutcases have come out full-throat. Some friends of mine buy into it.

The lesson? Ideological allegiances are what they are. Both sides have wingnuts, and both like to think they don't. The nastiness from conservatives has been one heck of an eye opener for me. Maybe I was just naive, earlier. I'm not as smart as when I knew everything.

The only thing that is different is the way the media is portraying it: Anti-Bush= hero. Anti-Obama= racist.  This reveals the double standard of the left.

I dont particularly like any of them but I am not going to let anyone call me racist because I doubt the Obama from time to time. I dont really care where he was born. I dont really care that he may or may not have ordered the raid that killed bin laden.

My point is if he has proof release it. But instead he would rather let doubt fester among certain people so that the media can portray them in a manner that further divides the country.

[Stillkickin]

To the best of my recollection, I can think of only two people I've ever heard refer to political opponents as "enemies" -- yellowtail3 and obama.

[MGMorden]

If we weren't at war, I'd agree with you.  However, the birthers and deathers don't care if they bring down the country as long as they bring down the president.  IMHO, many of them have committed and continue to commit treason.

We're not in China.  I too find it a bit disconcerting how quickly some just to conspiracy theory conclusions, but it doesn't matter if it's true or not: the 1st amendment guarantees that we don't have to agree with the president, we don't have to like him, and we're free to come up with as many crackpot theories as we want.  In no way, shape or form is that "treason". 

As a matter of fact, the ONLY thing that can be used to justify a charge of treason is taking up arms against the US or giving an enemy aid in the time of war (and no, "aid" isn't defined as anything that you can remotely define as indirectly assisting their cause).

Treason has always boiled down to physical acts like that.  Speech and other such things like you refer to have traditionally been referred to as sedition, and any sedition laws that have been passed have all been repealed.

[Pat/Rick]

With both parties continually lieing,exceeding their Constitutional authority, and wiping their arses with the Constitution, why would anybody, believe anything they say?? More importantly, why would anybody defend that??

MGM, thanks, I wasn't aware of the rulings on sedition. I agree, many times I have questioned if something or other wasn't treasonous and have to remind myself of the instances that have to be met. Pretty thick line between treasonous, and not liking something. 'Treason" makes for a good punctuation though.

[George Foster]

My point is this, I have far more important things to do than worry about idiots who want to decry anything Obama does.  I just wonder what they are going to do if Obama is reelected in 2012.

[lakota]

My point is this, I have far more important things to do than worry about idiots who want to decry anything Obama does.  I just wonder what they are going to do if Obama is reelected in 2012.

What would it take maybe a few minutes for an aide to release proof? Obama himself wouldnt lose one minute of golf time.

[George Foster]

And for what reaon should it be done?

[lakota]

Because we are entitled to see proof that they did what they say they did. I guess this gets at my basic problem with the birther issue and now Bin Laden-the arrogance of these politicians-"I said it,  so it is so. that is all the proof that you peasants need"

"...it is so because I said it is so..." How far do you think that defense would take you in a court of law without proof to back it up?

[George Foster]

How many other politicians have been asked to show their birth certificate?  So the naysayers need a pacifier so what!  Maybe Obama should strut on a aircraft carrier deck saying mission accomplished also.

[George Foster]

Stillkicking, apparently you never heard of Nixon then.

[lakota]

They should all be asked for their birth certificates and at least one other has been asked that person being John Mccain and it was a non issue for him to be asked since he is a republican and media double standards permit questions to be asked of republicans that are off limits for democrats. In Obama's case it was a plausable question posed by the Clinton Campaign given his family tree. Do you think you could walk into McDonalds and get a yourself a job without proving yoa are who you say you are?

Also they work for us not the other way around which is a fact that seems lost on some people these days.

[lakota]

  ...Maybe Obama should strut on a aircraft carrier deck saying mission accomplished also.

No he struted around NYC instead.

[George Foster]

The difference is Obama accomplished the mission Bush couldn't.  Do you remember when Bush said he didn't even think about OBL?  And Obama has shown his birth certificate more than once and the Supreme Court seems satisfied he was American Born so who cares what the naysayers have to say.  If it wasn't that they would find something else to cry about.  I am all done now because as I said I have better things to worry about then what the upset Republicans naysayers want to cry about constantly.

[lakota]

As I have said before Obama did not accomplish anything. He had nearly ten years of intell to act on and even then all he did was order others to do the dirty work. He is no hero nor is any other politician that orders others to war.

[Shu]

Pictures would not prove OBL is dead, however Al Jazhira the major Muslim news outlet has confirmed OBL is dead. If anyone would have anything to gain by promoting him alive it would be the Muslim world.

Frankly I could careless whT BHO says or does, he had nothing to do with the killing of OBL. He just happened to be president at the time it was done.

[wreckhog]

How would the major Muslim news outlet know if OBL was dead?

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[Lost Farmboy]

It looks more like the deathers are joining the birthers. 

[srussell]

Well, when your political enemies come up with some wackjob premise to try to hurt you, and make themselves look like blithering idiots for having done so... why help 'em? Just give 'em more rope...

  only problem with that is he will show proof near eleaction time if it will help him. just like he did his birth certificate when his rating's went to low

[srussell]

There are those who are going to disbelieve everything said by Obama and dislike him no matter what so why pay any attention to them.

If we weren't at war, I'd agree with you.  However, the birthers and deathers don't care if they bring down the country as long as they bring down the president.  IMHO, many of them have committed and continue to commit treason.

not sure who you think is trying to bring down this country maybe you need to look at what obama has done and is cotinueing  to do