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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2011, 05:53:26 AM »
There are those who are going to disbelieve everything said by Obama and dislike him no matter what so why pay any attention to them.
If we weren't at war, I'd agree with you.  However, the birthers and deathers don't care if they bring down the country as long as they bring down the president.  IMHO, many of them have committed and continue to commit treason.
not sure who you think is trying to bring down this country maybe you need to look at what obama has done and is cotinueing  to do
All he's done is try to fix the disaster of 8 years of GWB & Company.  Of course you won't know that if all you read is right wing blogs.

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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2011, 07:34:48 AM »
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All he's done is try to fix the disaster of 8 years of GWB & Company.  Of course you won't know that if all you read is right wing blogs.

According to the left wing writings I have read, they feel Obama has EXANDED on or continued Bush policies.  And some seem to be not happy about that at all.

I have said more than once I can't see a difference between them...so it sounds as if the left wingers may agree with me...there is little difference between Obama and Bush....Obama just spends more faster as far as spending goes...far as keeping the war machine going, he expanded that as well...

I'm not sure how you can fix what Bush did by expanding on it? 

But if your tied to a party...you don't see anything anyways...your blind to what is really happening.  You have no choice but to defend the party. 

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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2011, 07:04:20 PM »
If we weren't at war, I'd agree with you.  However, the birthers and deathers don't care if they bring down the country as long as they bring down the president.  IMHO, many of them have committed and continue to commit treason.

Would you care to explain how either could be used to bring down the country? And, exactly what treasonous acts have the people who doubt committed?

I took oath the the Constitution, not to the President.

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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2011, 07:52:35 PM »
How many other politicians have been asked to show their birth certificate?  So the naysayers need a pacifier so what!  Maybe Obama should strut on a aircraft carrier deck saying mission accomplished also.
G.F.,
I believe the reason that the "naysayers" (people who disagree with your point of view) were asking Obama to show his birth certificate was not because of his mixed ethnic background, but because of the questionable and undocumented circumstances concerning his childhood and educational experiences.  From what I've read about Pres. Obama, no one seems to remember him from college, he also has few or no childhood friends that remember him.  Ask yourself  this question, and answer truthfully.  How many people manage to get through college without making a few good friends or even enemies along the way?  How about, how many people grow up without having any childhood friends that remember him?  I believe the people who doubted Pres. Obamas being born here have a legitimate concern.
Why would he spend according to the internet millions to fight the release of his birth certificate?  We both know this isn't true.  But he could have stopped this rumor in the very beginning.  See:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/12/donald-trump/donald-trump-claims-obama-has-spent-2-million-lega/

Another reason that no other politician has been "asked" to show their birth certificate was because most politicians that end up running for President, usually have been in public service for a long period of time, where quite a bit is known about them, including when & where they were born.
But, if Pres. Obama would have used a little common sense, instead of the "race" card, in defending his actions,  like he did, even against a fellow Democrat (Hillary Clinton).  People might have been more apt to believe him.
So please stop looking for the boogie man, when none exists. 




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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2011, 08:12:00 PM »
All he's done is try to fix the disaster of 8 years of GWB & Company.  Of course you won't know that if all you read is right wing blogs.
Jr1942,
If you believe that, you may be interested in the following commentary by:

Michael Goodwin
"Tortured logic on Bush"
Years ago, when my young son and I visited a dude ranch in Montana, a local rancher told us he butchered his cows for meat. My son, Scott, who was only 7, was horrified. "You kill your own cows and eat them?" he asked with urban disgust.

The rancher answered with country logic, saying something like, "Well, how is that different from you eating cows that other people butcher?"

The exchange came back to me after yet another attack on the Bush administration's use of harsh interrogation on al Qaeda terrorists. It's a tiresome refrain under any circumstance, but especially now that the intelligence infrastructure built after 9/11 has paid such obvious dividends.

Indeed, critics can smugly mount their high horse of disgust only because somebody else was willing to do their dirty work for them. At least my son was a child when he showed a lack of knowledge about his hamburgers. So-called sophisticated adults have no excuse not to understand who and what is protecting them nearly 10 years after 9/11.

Numerous reports, including one from former Attorney General Michael Mukasey, that waterboarding started the daisy chain that led to the courier that led to Osama bin Laden's hideout, qualify as a distinctly inconvenient fact for hard-line liberals. They call waterboarding and other harsh techniques immoral and denounce supporters as apologists for torture.

And then they and their families ride the subway or an airplane or walk the street, believing they are safe. By and large, they are safe, thanks to the dedicated patriots whose heroic work does not allow for the snobbery that passes for moral superiority. The reality of war, warriors will tell you, leaves little margin for nuance.

Being forced to hear the hard facts about interrogation was only part of the misery bin Laden's demise caused the Michael Moore set. The communication and surveillance technology that made possible the raid into Pakistan for the kill mission -- capture was not the goal -- vindicated the black arts of the CIA and Pentagon intelligence, two favorite targets of the professional left.

Then there's the helicopter that crashed, which the SEALs tried to destroy before they left. Pictures show a tail system unlike any other, a feature thought to represent advances in stealth know-how. It's the kind of machine made possible only by a "bloated" Pentagon budget that must now be slashed so expanding entitlements and binge spending can be protected.

Even the praise conservatives showered on President Obama must mortify his party's base. His Dirty Harry "Make My Day" attitude about the killing of bin Laden earned him a poll vault primarily because Republicans and independents saw a side of him they liked. You might call the raid "American Exceptionalism" in action.

Murmurs from some on the right that Obama is milking the moment for political gain were drowned out by the cheers for him.  His dignified silence at Ground Zero was the best speech never given.

Finally, there are computers and documents the SEALs grabbed, a trove one official called a "mother lode of intelligence."  The first piece to be analyzed showed talk of a plot to mark the 10th anniversary of 9/11 with a fresh terror attack on American trains.  It's a case of dividends compounded, with justice delivered for the past and a possible future attack thwarted - making life safer for all Americans, even those who scorn their defenders.

The world is a better place for bin Laden's death and, as the president said, May 1, 2011, was "a great day for America."  It's a pity that some Americans won't honestly acknowledge how that greatness was achieved.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/tortured_logic_on_bush_CW2jEAxenCliVWX6YjX2nM#ixzz1M16WnClA
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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2011, 08:17:03 PM »
Then there's the helicopter that crashed, which the SEALs tried to destroy before they left. Pictures show a tail system unlike any other, a feature thought to represent advances in stealth know-how. It's the kind of machine made possible only by a "bloated" Pentagon budget that must now be slashed so expanding entitlements and binge spending can be protected.[/b]

I disagree. Stealthy helos and other useful things can be paid for by UNBLOATING the budget, getting rid much of the military designed to fight another WW2, seventy years past that one.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2011, 05:56:47 AM »
Then there's the helicopter that crashed, which the SEALs tried to destroy before they left. Pictures show a tail system unlike any other, a feature thought to represent advances in stealth know-how. It's the kind of machine made possible only by a "bloated" Pentagon budget that must now be slashed so expanding entitlements and binge spending can be protected.[/b]

I disagree. Stealthy helos and other useful things can be paid for by UNBLOATING the budget, getting rid much of the military designed to fight another WW2, seventy years past that one.
YT3,
I agree with you regarding "UNBLOATING" the budget, but I have to disagree with you regarding "getting rid much of the military designed to fight another WW2,".  We as a nation always seem to enter major wars unprepared, and undermanned.  Just look at our history of preparedness just prior to WW1 & WW2.  It took time to get the nation up to speed to fight those wars, in the meantime, we lost a lot of people.  A future major conflict might not allow us time to get up to speed, like in the past.  I would rather spend the extra money and be prepared, than save the money and get caught unprepared again.  Savings to the budget can be done by trimming unnecessary expenses in our Federal budget.  Start with trimming small things that are more "goodies" than necessities.
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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2011, 12:06:55 AM »
All he's done is try to fix the disaster of 8 years of GWB & Company.

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Re: Deathers replacing birthers?
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2011, 03:20:50 PM »
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