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They are saying that public funds must be used to educate the illegal criminals in our country. What part of illegal is so hard to understand?? POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 03:31:23 AM »
PW,
You usually spout that we need to uphold the laws, but I guess this is another case of cherry picking them.

Under the 1982 Supreme Court Plyler v. Doe 5-4 decision, states are prohibited from denying K-12 schooling to these children. This is not the fault of the Dept. of Ed. or Obama.
I think that was even under the Reagan administration if my memory is correct.
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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 04:20:56 AM »
Bush implemented No Child Left Behind.

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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 04:45:12 AM »
no child left behind is the dumbest thing bush did.  if little johnny is stupid in school A, he's gonna be stupid in school B.  the dept of education should be abolished. let the states handle education.
the problems in our schools is not teachers, it's parents...
my daughters best friend is illegal because she was brought here as a toddler. because of that, I'm torn on the subject of educating illegals. I'm against it except for her as she's like one of the family.  Woe is me... :-\
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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2011, 04:45:36 AM »
The solution is simple: make the local Christian schools educate those kids for free.  Isn't that what Jesus would do?

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2011, 04:52:36 AM »
is it the kids fault ? is it not a good time to Americanize them ?
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 05:37:19 AM »
No, it's not the children's fault they are here, but it also isn't the taxpayer's fault either.  If the kids can be identified as non-citizens, then it shouldn't be too hard to identify the parents and get them gone--along with their offspring.
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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2011, 05:50:33 AM »
The solution is simple: make the local Christian schools educate those kids for free.  Isn't that what Jesus would do?
No, I don't think. They'll have to pay tuition, or taxes will have to go to that purpose. Teachers need to eat, light bill & mortgage needs to be paid. Nothing is 'free'
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2011, 05:56:14 AM »
No, it's not the children's fault they are here, but it also isn't the taxpayer's fault either.  If the kids can be identified as non-citizens, then it shouldn't be too hard to identify the parents and get them gone--along with their offspring.


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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2011, 07:08:40 AM »
is it the kids fault ? is it not a good time to Americanize them ?

Everything will fall into place the sooner you realize this is more about getting rid of "them".  The latest group to start migrating to this country has ALWAYS caught it rough.  The Irish, German, and Chinese have all endured it previously. 

There's always talk about "what part of illegal is so hard to understand", but most will just as quickly proclaim that they wouldn't give up their guns if they were outlawed, already establishing that they feel it fine to disobey a law they feel is morally unjust.  Yet in the same breath they'll condemn these people for doing the same.  It also ignores the reality that many of these kids were born here anyways - their PARENTS might have come here illegally, but under current law the CHILDREN are citizens.  Hard to claim "what part of illegal is so hard to understand" when by current law a lot of these children that they're so flustered about ARE US citizens.  Arguing beyond that point is simply delving into what you think the law should say rather than what it DOES say.

Understand this very clearly: the stack of paperwork and money needed to come in from the southern border (or any border really) is going to be reduced.  It doesn't matter if you rounded up every one of "them" tomorrow and shipped "them" all back - when immigration reform takes place (and believe me - it will) they'll just return legally in droves.  The reality is just like always, people want to come here.  People closer to us have an easier time getting here.  That is going to have some effect on the common culture, language, and *GASP* skin tone that you see.  Learn to coexist or you'll condemn yourself to a lifetime of hate and frustration.

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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 08:13:50 AM »
Nice that this nation affords the right of citizenship, to the children of criminals. The downward spiral continues.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 10:18:25 AM »
Nice that this nation affords the right of citizenship, to the children of criminals. The downward spiral continues.


PAT/RICK. YEP, thats what they are. They are proof that crime does indeed pay. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 12:29:59 PM »
PW,
You usually spout that we need to uphold the laws, but I guess this is another case of cherry picking them.

Under the 1982 Supreme Court Plyler v. Doe 5-4 decision, states are prohibited from denying K-12 schooling to these children. This is not the fault of the Dept. of Ed. or Obama.

That is correct. Also, there's a mountain of state and local laws--again none of them having anything to do with the DoE or Obama--that prevent denying education to children unless their parents can prove immigration status.

I know, I know.  All these facts really screw up another good ObamaBashing opportunity. . . but there you have it.  :o

Here's a thought:  Why not stop bashing these poor kids and place the blame where really belongs:  On gutless American politicians in both parties who for decades have ignored the immigration problem because the illegals benefited them.

Republicans are as guilty as Democrats in this matter.  The fact is that both parties have been bought off by big agriculture and other big business interests.   Big business LOVES illegals because they force the wages down.   Politicians love big business because they love the campaign contributions.

As always, the hardest thing for America to do these days is to use common sense:

1.  Have a 90 day "Get Legal" period for all illegals.  If they surrender voluntarily, their case would be instantly reviewed while they were held in temporary holding areas.  If they have committed no crime in the US (other than illegal entry), allow them to pay a fine and they would receive a one-time work visa.  This visa would allow them to stay and to work legally as long as they committed no crimes and paid taxes.  All illegals would also be sentenced to mandatory 5 years in prison, sentence stayed.

Any commission of a crime including tax evasion would result in an activation of the stayed 5 year prison sentence.  They would do the time for the crime + the mandatory 5 year stayed sentence and then they would be automatically deported with no appeal.   Under these conditions, the rate of criminal activity would be next to zero.

Rabid anti-immigration pundits take note:  I did NOT, repeat NOT say that they would be given citizenship.  I said they would be given a work visa.  Anyone who can't understand the difference between a visa and citizenship  should be deported because they are too stupid to be a US Citizen. 

2.  Implement a Guest Worker program so it is possible for those who have in-demand skills and a legit job offer to enter the country legally and to work and pay taxes.  This Guest Worker visa will have the stipulation that anyone convicted of illegal entry would NEVER be eligible for any type of visa.  Thus, there would be strong motivation to get a guest visa rather than risking illegal entry. 

See above note to Rabid Anti-Immigration Pundits.

3.  After the 90 day "Get Legal" period, all illegal immigrants caught by any means would be automatically and instantly deported with no exceptions.  Any illegal caught attempting to enter the US would be forever banned from having a US visa of any kind. 

Anyone caught attempting to enter the US a second time would serve a 1 year sentence in a boot-camp facility where they will learn valuable skills and disicipline by working on community service projects like demolition and cleanup of inner-city crack houses, repair of public infrastructure, and so forth.  Anyone attempting re-entry again would not receive such lenient treatment and they would automatically be sentenced to 10 years in a hard labor camp.

Problem solved.  Except that it makes too much sense.

Grouse

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 12:48:34 PM »
GROUSE. Good post and I agree with everything but the term anti immigration. Not the right term at all. I don't think anybody here is anti legal immigration, but the term immigrant, or immigration should not be used when referring to the illegal invaders. Other than that, good post. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 09:46:22 PM »
Grouse, absolutely, lets not forget that our own ronny reagan signed off on an amnesty bill as well.

Pman, yep and absolutely. No problem at all with legal immigrants. To do so illegaly makes one a criminal. Sadly, our corrupt elected find it advantageous to sign off on new voters (usually demicans, but republicrats as well) with amnesty bills to try to gain an edge. (The immoral equivelent to ballot box "stuffing"?)

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 02:16:09 AM »
Nice that this nation affords the right of citizenship, to the children of criminals. The downward spiral continues.


PAT/RICK. YEP, thats what they are. They are proof that crime does indeed pay. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

Guess that's how the Indians / Native Americans felt about our fore fathers hugh .
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Re: the US dept of education says we must educate everybody.
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2011, 02:41:53 AM »
Grouse, they have committed several crimes! The first coming here illegally, working here illegally, stealing peoples identity IE social security number and many others! These people care nothing about our laws! They are criminals!
 They are responsible for most of the illegal drugs in this country! They are rapidly turning this country into the same crap hole they left! They should be rounded up and deported on pain of death if they return!

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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2011, 02:55:22 AM »
The illegal drugs were here long before most of the illegas were born.
They have jobs because Americans hire them . Most make up an ID not steal one.
Point is we do nothing to send them home so should we create another group of people who are dumb and can be brain washed into NWO politics or educate them in freedom ?
Right and wrong have long passed in this debate , making the best of it is all that's left. Why because it would bankrupt America to round up and transport home all the illegals at this point. So unless you want a 60%-70% tax rate to cover the sending home you better come up with a better plan.
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2011, 03:30:30 AM »
 Why because it would bankrupt America to round up and transport home all the illegals at this point.

It would not cost nearly as much as they use in welfare and social services every year!

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 03:48:43 AM »
The cost of the services you mention are offset by the paid taxes etc. on the false SS numbers with out possiblity of refund at tax time.
Then the loss of productive workers , Yea I know there are Americans out of work but will they do the work the illegals are doing ? In the past they have not and when they did production was lower . We have allowed all this to take place along with debt and shipping good jobs out of the country. Its going to cost us dearly to fix it if we can.
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2011, 03:59:23 AM »
Here is the solution. When you catch the kid, deport them, but first cut off a finger. Odds are they will return illegally. Catch them, chop off another finger. When you cut off all 10, next is the genitals. That way they won't produce any citizens.

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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2011, 04:01:06 AM »
sounds like what they do in the Middle East , thought we were aginst that form of govt. ?
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2011, 04:09:15 AM »
Worked for Solomon.

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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2011, 04:17:07 AM »
GROUSE. Good post and I agree with everything but the term anti immigration. Not the right term at all. I don't think anybody here is anti legal immigration, but the term immigrant, or immigration should not be used when referring to the illegal invaders. Other than that, good post. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D

Well, you would be wrong, because I am totally against any kind of immigration except one.  The fairest immigration policy in the world would be a one to one exchange.  You want to immigrate to this country; you have to find someone who wants to emigrate to your country.

This country is not a limitless vessel; we already cannot adequately provide for our indigenous poopulation.  The room is full--beyond the reasonable and rational limit.  If your goal is the degradation and ruin of the country, then immigration is the right course.  This ain't the 18th, 19th, or 20th century, it's a whole new and different game.
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2011, 04:23:57 AM »
Worked for Solomon.

Since you offer Bible examples I feel sure you realize that example was before we learned of forgivness .
Its not that they should not be sent home its that I don't care to spend my money to fix it by going bankrupt.
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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2011, 05:10:41 AM »
It isn't a matter of just sending invaders home; the borders must be secured.  Sending the invaders packing would be cheap compared to the scurge of allowing them to stay.  Check the police blotters in towns and cities where the illegals are rampant.  We are at war and too many people don't know it--yet.
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2011, 06:35:59 AM »
BEERBELLY. YEP. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2011, 07:06:02 AM »

This country is not a limitless vessel; we already cannot adequately provide for our indigenous poopulation.  The room is full--beyond the reasonable and rational limit.  If your goal is the degradation and ruin of the country, then immigration is the right course.  This ain't the 18th, 19th, or 20th century, it's a whole new and different game.

This is the smartest statement in this thread. If we keep packing people into this country sooner or later it will be just like china or india or hong kong or any other crap-hole that has 20 people per square foot. I dont want to live like that.
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2011, 01:48:51 PM »
The solution is simple: make the local Christian schools educate those kids for free.  Isn't that what Jesus would do?

No Jesus never forced anyone to do anything.

I have no problem paying for American kids to get an education with my tax dollars but I want a good value for my money.
Government run education is a gutter ball and it has no value. This is why I sent my kids to private schools with no help from the government.
It's a parents responsibility to see that their child gets the best education possible so if anyone should made to do something here it should be the parents. My tax dollars should be spent on keeping those illegals out of this country the only education they need from us is to learn that coming here illegally is not something that they want to do.

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2011, 02:24:50 PM »
It isn't a matter of just sending invaders home; the borders must be secured.  Sending the invaders packing would be cheap compared to the scurge of allowing them to stay.  Check the police blotters in towns and cities where the illegals are rampant.  We are at war and too many people don't know it--yet.


Magooch. All true. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm