deputized in times of crisis

[jamaldog87]

I am reading a book called Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army and there a part were blackwater is in Louisiana after katrina. Well they asked some of the mercenarys under whos authority were they operating under and they said there were deputized by the governer of Louisiana and they show the gold Louisiana LE badges there were given by his offlice.

Who can in a crisie deputized  people? Can the governer, mayor,  sheriff  or the United States Department of Homeland Security do this or are the us marshals the only one that can do this?

[Hooker]

It's my understanding that the Sheriff due to his or her being elected is the highest ranking Law Enforcement Officer with in their jurisdiction.
They hold this power regardless of who else shows up in their jurisdiction. They have the power to deputize and over see any other law enforcement within their jurisdiction.
The Governor has the power to deputize but not the power to suspend the authority of the Sheriff.
A mayor I do not think holds any such power as most are nothing but a figure head and mouth piece.
DHS I suppose they do as they dang well please beings they are an illegal entity to begin with and they are a federal agency that operates outside  Constitutional boundaries . 
US Marshals are a non elected enforcement arm of federal government and as such should be considered federal troops out of uniform.
They also operate like the DHS and the rest of the alphabet soup federal thugs.

Pat

[Pat/Rick]

Hooker, good description. So many unconstitutional government agencies have been created and had their own law enforcement teams added...... who's to know. One things for sure, wether they are unconstitutional agencies or not, the courts will back them up. Unconstitutional agencies, created by a government operating in disregard of the constitution, appointing judges who will rule in their favor. Whats not to like? 

[jamaldog87]

read the book  Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army  and you will see were all our tax $ are at. they got paid for a week worth of work in Louisiana after katrina 460,5000$ and they made told for the katrina clean up 90 million dollars.


I like the US Marshals, there the only smart and friendly LE i have seen. also they dress like PMC most of the time which is cool

ever  federal agency has a law enforcement team, it why i see no point in having a  Department of Homeland Security  because we already had  Homeland Security just they did not talk to each other.  maybe we need to have seal team 6 run the government because at least they get things done

[powderman]

What does blackwater have to do with katrina?? Never heard that before. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

Why are federal U S Marshalls illegal ? they work for the court system ?

[Hooker]

What does blackwater have to do with Katrina?? Never heard that before. POWDERMAN. 

Blackwater is nothing more than guns for hire loyal only to the dollar.
They are governments back door to use of troops that have not sworn an oath to up hold the Constitution or the laws of the land.
That's  why they were used during Katrina.

Why are federal U S Marshalls illegal ? they work for the court system ?

All armed federal agencies are essentially federal troops. When they intervene with civilian in matters not pertaining to defense of the country they are in affect suspending Constitutional rights to the people. They are paid by the people yet they have no accountability we as a people are taxed with their pay but we have no representation. It is the same way with all federal enforcement agencies they can conspire to kill you , murder you, maim you, arrest you, destroy or seize your property with total immunity from the same prosecution that would be brought on us, for the same acts.
They have placed them selves above the law.
None of these things are the Constitutional duties of this government. A government that seizes privilege for it's self and presumes to grant privilege to those it is burdened with serving is not Constitutionally legal.

Pat

Pat 

[Shu]

Blackwater now XE was started by a former Navy SEAL. They did alot of VIP protection in Iraq and on one occassion rescued a squad of Marines who were taking heavy fire. (no air assets available, Blackwater came in with their own helicopters) Blackwater was some of the first casualties in Iraq (the 4 mutilated and hung from a bridge). The State dept. has about 1 billion in contracts with them.

They were hired to help out after Katrina to prevent looting etc., some of their people were less than stellar.

Opinions vary about security contractors.

[jamaldog87]

read the book about them and you will see the real story about them.  They were not the 1st  first casualties  in Iraq(US troops and other PMC had died way before that happen). they guy that started blackatwater(who comes from old money) stole the idea from his seal teacher and when the teacher came to work from him he did the man wrong.  I have no problems with security contractors but if you read that book and do some research on blackwater they are all about making money and getting political power.  In Iraq they were hated by other contractors , US and other troops, everyone in Iraq  and they were part of the reason by there actions why Iraq did not go so well for us. Just look at   the First Battle of Fallujah codenamed Operation Vigilant Resolve.

the 4 mutilated blackwater guys were sent there by there boss (who the day before then go in a fight with that was so bad that one of them pulled out his glock 19 and shot at the other) into a trap that anyone could have saw with no armored SUVs,  2 guys to a car(which the contract said in red that  at all times to have 4 to a car with one with a M249 saw or M240 for a rear gunner), no maps of the area or intell(they were lost when they got hit) and even the men that were sent there wanted out before that day.

The "rescued of a squad of Marines who were taking heavy fire." who you think started the shooting and the only reason they came was to save face (because the black water man who was there to fix the radios took a nap when he was supposed to be working and they could not call in back up because of that).  Blackwater= making money by anyway they can. Blackwater has been on the US border, they were not hired they showed up 1st and then said "pay use because were here now” for Katrina and they hire  most of there solider from south America (they call them black penguins ) because they will work for less then good old Americans.

[S.S.]

Blackwater consisted of some of the most highly trained personnel available.
They were not the "Armed Thugs" that the mainstream media portrayed them as.
The media and the govt cannot stand private "armies". They did the same with
a group many years ago by the name of "Executive Outcomes". These guys
were the most professional and bold group of soldiers I have ever encountered.
They did amazing things in Africa. Don't believe most of what you read.

[Pat/Rick]

Anytime that a "security contractor" can be hired to do any job from that of mercenary to added "law enforcement"; and has political pull/influence as well.......... I'll be sceptical as to their professionalism and dedication. Are they held to the same standards? Do they have the same training as LEO's? Or is just being a tough guy, good enough? Anybody can be a bad ass with a gun and a get out of jail free card.  IF they are hired by the government, they are federalized, and a cheap trick to operate outside of the Constitution. IMO they are no better than the brownshirts, KGB or any other toughguy group given a free pass by a corrupt government. Its illegal for an American citizen to be a mercenary fighting for another government, but its okay if hired by our government, for their purposes? More BS double standard. (But at least they have the gooberments blessings  )

[jamaldog87]

i am not going to fight about this. All i know about black water is what i have readied(news,soldier of fortune , Swat magzine, other scores), what have been told by a few people i have talked to that worked for them and what i have seen by there actions.  Blackwater is just like every other large company, but with guns.  The reason why people and the "media" can't stand PMC is because of blackwater and the things they have done. Blackwater messed it up for everyone else by making a ass of themselves.

most highly trained personnel available? if they is true then why is it a few years back when they were talking to blackwater solider over there that they were wear shirts that said "F55k Islam and Muhammad". I have never seen anyone else working in islamic countries wearing something  like that. If they were so  highly trained why in Iraq they drove around shooting at everything that moves and shot at  car that had a US col. inside of it. People that are  highly trained do there job without making a big show of it and most time you never know that job that did because it was done with so much skill.


Have you heard of CI International Inc,Titan Corporation,Aegis Defence Services, Crest view or DynCorp?  All PMC's doing there jobs that without being in the media ever other week.  also why would blackwater make a part of it's self Greystone, Ltd.  in Barbados.
 and just look at the Guest list at Greystone's 2005 inaugural event when it open in 2005 http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Greystone,_Ltd.

High ups from  Yemen, Tunisia, Uzbekistan ? did not president Eisenhower warned decades ago about the grave implications of the rise of the military industrial complex and misplaced power? If i was warned by someone like him i listen and judge something by there artions then what i was told(everything i have readied about blackwater has been bad,seedy or crazy . Some of the things i find hard to believed it happen but it did.)

[wreckhog]

Blackwater aka Zee aka R2 is hiring 800 mostly Columbians (cartel?) to be the 800 person merc troops in UAE at cost of $540 million annually.