Ron Paul Has Just Guaranteed He Will NOT be Elected

[jimster]

Swampman, we agree yet again! By the way, we'll be both voting for Romney.  Bill T.

Romney is just another socialist...like most the republicans these days, only a few exceptions, very few...and he ain't one of them.

The good side of this for you guys is...it doesn't matter if the Dems or reps win, you still get your socialists/progressives either way...you can't lose.  Actually your sitting pretty good right now with Obama...you just don't realize there is no difference.  You win no matter what because it's all the same. 

If Thomas Jefferson were alive today, those would think he too was a radical.

+ 3....Ron Paul is the radical one that follows the constitution, it scares many people...including the republicans...and for very good reason.

Republicans should ponder why they are so scared of the constitution and original meaning.  They lost their stomach for it maybe...?

I have no use for these political parties..and will vote against republicans, I've done it before at our state level, and will do so this time at the fed level.  Unless Ron Paul is nominated...they don't have my vote.  I'll write someone in.

So get ready for another 4 years of Obama unless things take a turn.....I'm ready to teach the republican party another lesson, I got plenty of time.

 



 

[Swampman]

No lesson to be learned.  Ron Paul can't even get nominated.

[billy_56081]

+2

[powderman]

Now Hussein is backing the Palestinians. He just lost what few Jew votes he had, if any. Remember, he's "not a Muslim". Yeah, right. This bastard HATES Israel with a passion. He loves the Arabs. Look how he bows to them and "kisses the ring".


No secret there, it didn't happen overnight. His votes are still there for him. He has everything going for him. he's got the black vote, the muzzie vote, and he has all the the qualities dems and dems love. He hates America, he's black,  hates our military, supports killing babies, loves the idea of homosexual marriage, has no morals or family values. YEP, the dems and libs love guys like that. POWDERMAN. 

[jimster]

No lesson to be learned.  Ron Paul can't even get nominated.

No lesson learned is right, but it's the lesson the republican party has not learned. The gains they made in the Nov. elections to get more people in the house, was not done by them, it was done by a movement outside the rep party, the reps did nothing but sit back and watch.
They were warned...you won't be there long if you make us mad.  If the Republicans elect Romney, it will be just like peeing down the backs of the movement that gave them a a slight chance in the house. 

The Republicans won't be able to do anything without this movement, you'll be right back where you belong if you don't turn to the constitution and this movement that got you a few people in the house.  My wife and I and many people where I live know the republican party is dead if they nominate another socialist like Romney, and we all agree, they should be.  So you best right a letter to your party, and tell them they best be paying attention, this movement will crush them good.  This movement also voted out a couple of republican socialists as well as dems. 

It's the republican party that needs to learn a lesson...or they will stay right at the bottom.  You can't win without people like me. Not anymore.
Obama is too powerful for you to do this with your own socialists.  We won't help you...and you need our help.  Your nothing without a base, and everyone knows it.  Obama knows it too.  He will be glad to see Romney, another socialist, with a Republican name in there running against him.  A real constitutionalist would probably make him a lot more nervous. 

You don't have a chance with Romney. I don't vote party...I vote for something real, you call it a wasted vote, but I see you've been losing pretty steady sticking to your party. 

No lesson learned?  Your party is a loser without all of us...if you haven't learned that, you missed something last November. 
 
 

[Swampman]

Laffin'

[Bill T]

Romney is just another socialist...like most the republicans these days, only a few exceptions, very few...and he ain't one of them.

The good side of this for you guys is...it doesn't matter if the Dems or reps win, you still get your socialists/progressives either way...you can't lose.  Actually your sitting pretty good right now with Obama...you just don't realize there is no difference.  You win no matter what because it's all the same.

Who said anything about "wanting" Romney? I said he is what, (who), you're going to get. You "need" a guy who is like Ron Paul, but who knows how to talk to the people and get elected. Paul isn't it. Notice how Romney operates? Do you hear much from him? Not a word. He's busy gathering $$$$ while guys like Paul and Gingrich beat themselves to death. These losers haven't figured that out yet, and will never get elected until they do.

It's far too early for guys like Romney. Much like a horse in a 5 furlong race. They lay back, just doing enough to barely keep pace. All the others are all so busy beating themselves to hell in the very early stages. By the time they, (guys like Romney), get wind, the early runners like Ron Paul and Gingrich will all be out of steam, (and money). They'll pick up the pace to the finish the others won't be able to keep up with.

Trump saw all of this, and was smart enough to pack it in early. Idiots like Ron Paul will take it to the finish line with nothing left but a smile, handshakes, and a promise to do better, "next time". The problem is "next time" will never come for them. Because much like the Kentucky Derby loser, they never had it to begin with. Yes, politics is a big, expensive game. Just like horse racing. Guy like Ron Paul, while having good intentions, just don't have the money, or the skill to play the game. They'll never learn either. That is why you get the people you do. They know "how to play". You would think these also rans like Ron Paul would catch on, but they never do.    Bill T.

[jimster]

Who said anything about "wanting" Romney? I said he is what, (who), you're going to get.

No...we'll get Obama.  Because I and people like me will keep busting up the republican party into pieces until they nominate someone we want and start changing and growing some hair.

That's the way it will be.  That's the way it HAS been...right? 

 ...Swampy's "laffin'"...can't blame him none  Lafin' and losin'...at least he can laugh and lose at the same time, nothing wrong with that either. I been laughing about this stuff sometimes myself.  I'm just done with the reps until they do exactly what I want.  I figure they need me worse than I need them, and that must be true...cause they been losin' without me. 

[Swampman]

I'm laffin because you seem to think you or the "tea party" are important.  This country is gone under and nothing can stop that.

[jimster]

This country is gone under and nothing can stop that.

Now that I agree with...

[powderman]

I know little about Romney. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

Just a friendly warning Graybeard really frowns on using symbols to avoid the word censor in the forum.

[Swampman]

I know little about Romney. POWDERMAN. 

He's a mormon.

[jimster]

How much more damage are guys like you willing to "let happen" to "prove your point"?

You think I'm the one that caused the damage?  I was just informed I don't mean a whole lot...I tend to agree with that for the most part, but I think the republican party needs to earn our votes either way.

What, and more importantly how, are you going to govern 40,000,000 Mexicans who can't speak a word of English, don't produce a damn thing, except to say, "WE WANT MORE!". 

My fault too?   


You got what you got, and it's not been me that gave it to you. I'll vote the way I want...you get what's left.  Romney won't get my vote no matter what party he runs in.  Massachusetts right?  hmmmm....gun rights capitial of the world for sure.
 

If this all boils down to being my fault,  you have a huge problem...and it's not me.  I didn't do anything to you or the republicans, I just walked away.
 

[Swampman]

Most of those Mexicans work hard.  They pay taxes and social security (using fake IDS) which they can never get back.  That's why they are still here.

[Bill T]

Most of those Mexicans work hard.  They pay taxes and social security (using fake IDS) which they can never get back.  That's why they are still here.

No. Not even close. The only reason they are still here is because we do not enforce the sealing of our borders. They are here illegally, period. They don't belong here, and they never did. I don't give a damn "how hard they work". They can do that in Mexico. They choose not to because it's better here, and they don't want to go through proper immigration procedures. They'd rather jump the fence and run. That costs everyone in this country far more than any of these people could ever hope to produce.  Bill T.

[Bill T]

I didn't do anything to you or the republicans, I just walked away.

"I didn't do anything to that poor, drowning child. I just walked away..........And laughed!"

What's the difference?   Bill T.

[Swampman]

Most of those Mexicans work hard.  They pay taxes and social security (using fake IDS) which they can never get back.  That's why they are still here.

No. Not even close. The only reason they are still here is because we do not enforce the sealing of our borders. They are here illegally, period. They don't belong here, and they never did. I don't give a damn "how hard they work". They can do that in Mexico. They choose not to because it's better here, and they don't want to go through proper immigration procedures. They'd rather jump the fence and run. That costs everyone in this country far more than any of these people could ever hope to produce.  Bill T.

It's impossible to come here legally.  They pay billions in social security and income tax.  That's the only reason the government won't arrest or hold them.

[powderman]

I don't give a damn "how hard they work". They can do that in Mexico. They choose not to because it's better here, and they don't want to go through proper immigration procedures. They'd rather jump the fence and run. That costs everyone in this country far more than any of these people could ever hope to produce.  Bill T.


BILL T. Exactly. POWDERMAN. 

[Bill T]

It's impossible to come here legally.  They pay billions in social security and income tax.  That's the only reason the government won't arrest or hold them.

That is nonsense. I work with many who have come here through the proper legal channels. It doesn't happen in a week, and they don't want to wait. It's easier and faster to jump over a fence, than to do it right. All the Europeans who come here do it the proper way. It's a bit hard to swim the 3,000 miles.   Bill T.

[Swampman]

Believe me, It's impossible to come here legally.  I don't care either.  I'm just telling you why the government is never going to do anything about it.  They can't afford to give up the money.

[MGMorden]

Believe me, It's impossible to come here legally.

While not completely true (as few of Swampy's ramblings are), there is a kernel of truth to this. 

Its not that it takes time to get over here - many of these people that do come over have to plan that out too - it's that it takes MONEY.  Lots of it.  More of it than most people have.  Ironically, money that they can make on the other side of the Rio Grande. 

There's a difference between literally impossible and practically impossible.  For instance, it's not literally impossible to get a concealed carry permit in New Jersey, but it's PRACTICALLY impossible.  Same for these people trying legally come over here.

As I've said countless times - this isn't a fight that is going to be won (nor is it really even a "fight").  Immigration reform is already being worked on to make it both easier to come here and if amnesty is granted, easier to stay if they are already here. 

They're not going anywhere, and all the talk of fences and umpteen border guards is simply the Republican way to drive up the country's deficit even farther (when you get right down to it, BOTH of the parties are wasting money they don't need to - it's just a matter of differing opinions on just HOW to waste that money).  At this point its just a question of whether or not we take the steps to get them legal and on the books paying taxes so that the paperwork is in order.  And truthfully, that's the Libertarian way to look at it.  Get them on equal footing so that they don't have an advantage, but other than that, let the market decide.  If the work isn't good here they'll move elsewhere. 

http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

[yellowtail3]

It's impossible to come here legally.  They pay billions in social security and income tax.  That's the only reason the government won't arrest or hold them.

That is nonsense. I work with many who have come here through the proper legal channels. It doesn't happen in a week, and they don't want to wait. It's easier and faster to jump over a fence, than to do it right. All the Europeans who come here do it the proper way. It's a bit hard to swim the 3,000 miles.   Bill T.

Sounds like you may know something about this, Bill. Share? Let's say I'm a poor Mexican guy who wants to go to NC to work with my brother-in-law's friend on some farms. What would I have to do, to get into the US legally, and be able to work legally? What is required, how much does it cost (?) and how long does it take?

[beerbelly]

First he should be told no you can't come. We have big unemployment problems and do not need to add you to the problem. And if you try to cross the border illegally we will shoot you!

[sidewinder319]

Romney is a "Big" Government Liberal.  He was Gov. of the most left wing state in the Union.  He left them with a health care mess called PreObama Care.  Please remember this guy was a supporter of the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban.  No, the Libertarians under Ron Pauls leadership will not accomplish anything.  We have Red and Blue states what color are the Libertarian states?  The Repubs are in a mess no doubt. But then so were the Dems before they found a Rapper in Illinois with some political experience.  I will take a "Red" state over a "Blue" state anyday.

[45-70.gov]

nothing  good is  likely to come out of  massa2shits

my family is from  taxachusits....they are all  liberals

this is the state that continually RE-ELECTED  the drunk kenedy

they had obumercare before we   did.......thanks to big government romknee

[ironglow]

  While Romney is light years ahead of B Hussein, he is still not a good choice (IMO).  He is an archtypical "establishment" Republican.
 He is the one the Republican "elitists" would like to see annointed.  Yes, the Reps do have their elitists; those who frown upon the Tea Party...
   Those Reps can absorb much of the Tea Party stands upon much of the small govt and constitutional principles, but seem to harbor resentment toward the Christian flavor of the Tea Party.  They are making a mistake, since if they would be willing to accept the "values" of the TP, they would almost surely assure themselves a decent margin of votes..but the 'chosen few' are very stubborn.

  So far as I see it, I prefer Cain/Bachmann or Bachmann/Cain.. in either order.  Still 11/12 is a long way off in political terms.

      This we know, we must dump B Hussein before he can nominate a SCOTUS replacement for any reasonably conservative justice.

[Doublebass73]

All you need to know about Romney is that he signed into law a bill that FORCES the residents of Massachusetts to buy health insurance. Need I say more?

[Casull]

At this point its just a question of whether or not we take the steps to get them legal and on the books paying taxes so that the paperwork is in order.  And truthfully, that's the Libertarian way to look at it. 

Wow, MG, is that really the Libertarian way to look at it?  Sounds like a cop out to me.  Hmmm, too many car thieves around, so let's just give them titles to those stolen vehicles "so that the paperwork is in order".   

[us920669]

Immigration is a real bag of worms - there's a lot more to it than most people realize.  There are "illegals" with advanced degrees making big bucks in crucial fields like IT, medical research, etc.  Their paper work problems are not their fault, it's the government's.  One might ask why our schools can't produce enough of these kinds of workers.  The libertarian view keeps making sense to me because 9 times out of 10, if there's a problem, it can be traced back to the government.

I think anyone should be able to go anywhere and stay as long as they want as long as they can support themselves.  Immigration laws, and laws controlling capital flight, look like government trying to slap a quick fix on a problem it has created and refuses to deal with.