Author Topic: what is a shikari 45-70 with cleaning rod like a muzzleloader (Read 2681 times)

Jason F · « **on:** May 14, 2011, 12:53:24 PM »

They have one down here at cabelas for 350

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2011, 01:46:16 PM »

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,234005.msg1099314623.html#msg1099314623

MODEL 155 SHIKARI SINGLE SHOT

.45-70 Govt. or .44 Mag. cal., single shot side lever break action, 24 or 28 in. blue barrel, drilled and tapped, blade front sight, adj. folding rear sight, case colored frame, walnut stained hardwood straight grip buttstock, brass cleaning rod, 7 - 7 1/4 lbs. Mfg. 1973-1981.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2011, 01:50:55 PM »

$350!
Cant you buy a new one for that price or less?

Dinny · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2011, 02:17:40 PM »

Quote from: gcrank1 on May 14, 2011, 01:50:55 PM

$350!
Cant you buy a new one for that price or less?

Do they still make new ones?

Thanks, Dinny

rockrat · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2011, 03:12:01 PM »

Bought one last year, in good shape, for $200

gcrank1 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2011, 03:30:22 PM »

I was in such shock that I didnt distinguish between the Shikari and a new model 45-70......

Dinny · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2011, 03:34:53 PM »

Quote from: gcrank1 on May 14, 2011, 03:30:22 PM

I was in such shock that I didnt distinguish between the Shikari and a new model 45-70......

No worries, that happens sometimes.

Thanks, Dinny

Jason F · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2011, 03:46:40 PM »

Well I bought it anyway it is in very good condition

Dinny · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2011, 04:07:34 PM »

Quote from: Jason F on May 14, 2011, 03:46:40 PM

Well I bought it anyway it is in very good condition

Good for you! A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush

Be sure to report back with pics and range report. We love seeing classic Handis!!

Thanks, Dinny

Jason F · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2011, 04:10:57 PM »

I plan on shooting it tomorrow if it doesn't rain

Jason F · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2011, 04:36:46 PM »

Just posted some pics it is the 28 inch barrel

Dinny · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2011, 04:39:36 PM »

It looks like a keeper to me!

Thanks, Dinny

scratchmark · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2011, 04:48:46 PM »

I'll bet the price was due to the 28 in. Barrel. I could be wrong but there's probably less of em. I've got the 24 in in 44mag . It's a 76 model and is not drilled and tapped as some specs say.

Jason F · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2011, 04:52:53 PM »

this one isnt drilled and tapped for rail either

geezer56 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 15, 2011, 07:01:15 AM »

I have the 28 in. Shikari, in 45-70. Mine is drilled and tapped for scope, and I love it. I sold the BC after I got the Shikari. The underlug is supposedly silver soldered on the Shikari, not welded like later versions. That requires the use of trapdoor level loads. Oh, and i paid $175 for mine, about 4 yrs ago.

Troyboy · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2011, 08:42:50 AM »

It is the frame that requires trapdoor load levels.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2011, 03:31:12 PM »

The soldered underlug makes it unsuitable for heavier loads too.

Tim

336SC · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2011, 04:34:11 PM »

I've got the shikari 24" 44 Magnum barrel fitted by the factory to my 20 guage topper receiver. Mine is not drilled and tapped either. It
sure is a fun gun though. I shoot the Lyman 421429 250gr Keith style cast bullets in mine exclusively. Younsters love shooting it at get togethers. Whenever I bring that rifle I have to take several hundred rounds along or the kids complain real quick. We also shoot
clay birds with shotgun barrel attached then switch it over to 44 Magnum for some serious tin can killing. Loaded with 9gr of Unique it
hardly kicks at all, certainly less than the 20 guage.
336SC

Jason F · « **Reply #18 on:** May 15, 2011, 05:18:20 PM »

The loads I see for the trapdoor door don't go over 1900 fps in the hornady book the loads that I have loaded up now are 41 gr. Of 4198 at 1800 with the 300 gr. Hollow point. Would that be safe to shoot from this rifle. The trapdoor load only shows this same bullet.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2011, 05:33:12 PM »

As long as you use the trapdoor level, you'll be fine, Hornady uses the SAAMI Map of 28kpsi/kcup as their trapdoor limit. Hodgdon uses the same pressure limit, they list Sierra 300gr HP jacketed with 48gr IMR4198 as max at 2138fps and 55gr H4198 max at 2221fps, both loads are just under 28kcup, Win brass, COL = 2.525". Just an FYI, 28kcup = 28kpsi in the 45-70.

Tim

Jason F · « **Reply #20 on:** May 15, 2011, 05:42:59 PM »

Thanks for the info I will just stay well under the safe limit with the loads I have now

gcrank1 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 16, 2011, 05:47:43 AM »

I do not know where I saw this, but recently it came to my attention that the 'Trapdoor' threshold has been lowered, (perhaps by one of the powder companies in their current data?) to 21K levels.
CRS is a drag......

Regardless, I am very confident that the full charge of Trail Boss will not be an overload in a Handi, nor my '84 SF mod '73, but it will not reach anywhere near those velocity levels stated above, which, IIRC, are past BP Express load levels from 100+ years ago (note: not Nitro Express).

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 16, 2011, 06:33:32 AM »

The SAAMI MAP for the 45-70 hasn't been lowered, it's 28kpsi, just depends on who's data you look at, Barnes, Hodgdon and Hornady use the SAAMI spec, everyone else uses something lower, for example Lyman lists 18k and Speer 21k.

Tim

http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm

gcrank1 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 16, 2011, 08:18:23 AM »

Thanx for that , Tim.....now I know I didnt dream it!
I should add that in real vintage firearms with dated metallurgy it would be wise to use a lower pressure load, if nothing else than out of respect for it lasting this long. Cast steels today can be stronger than forged steels of then, we just know more about making quality steels.
my '84 mdl '73 SF is very happy with 1250ish fps loads, but I have no problem with stoking up the H&R SS UH to 'something' more.

Jason F · « **Reply #24 on:** May 17, 2011, 06:04:37 PM »

just checked year it has AL230*** serial number that makes it a 1973
it is old. only a year younger than me

gcrank1 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 18, 2011, 04:15:05 AM »

Well, if you consider 'conception'......

They are way cool, and as said, they dont make 'em anymore, enjoy!

v8r · « **Reply #26 on:** May 21, 2011, 12:02:51 PM »

I thought I had found a 45-70 shikari today........ But It was a huntsman.

Jason F · « **Reply #27 on:** May 21, 2011, 01:48:10 PM »

Did you buy the huntsman

Junior1942 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2011, 03:33:44 AM »

Mine's a 1974 model 44 mag with a 24" barrel. It's legal for primitive weapon season here in Louisiana. In it, I shoot the Lee 310 FP w/1.09cc WC820. MV = 1100 fps in my SBH and probably ~1250 fps in the Shikari. The rifle is a good shooter. I paid $50 for it around 25 years ago.

The rifle was like new when I bought it. Sadly, Hurricane Rita put an arm-size limb through my roof, and I didn't know it until a few weeks later when during a long rainy spell I noticed water coming out of a closet. Uh oh. I had guns in the closet.... Luckily, only the Shakiri got wet. No water got in the barrel, but it got on the barrel and on and down in the action. Rust was everywhere. So I learned how to takedown a Handi-Rifle. Today, the rifle is no worse for its Rita damage except for ugly pits where a scope would mount.

It's a bare barrel model, so some years ago I put a Williams Fire Sight on the front and a Williams WGOS in the rear sight slot. They work well.

ibgp3 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 12, 2011, 06:33:01 AM »

This is a 72 vintage 45-70.