San fran cisco wants vote to ban circumcision.

[powderman]

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- San Francisco voters in November will be asked to weigh in on what was until now a private family matter: male circumcision.
 

City elections officials confirmed Wednesday that an initiative that would ban the circumcision of males younger than 18 in San Francisco has received enough signatures to appear on the ballot. The practice would become a misdemeanor.
 

Supporters of the ban say male circumcision is a form of genital mutilation that should not be forced on a young child.
 

But opponents say such claims are alarmingly misleading, and call the proposal a clear violation of constitutionally protected religious freedoms.
 

The initiative's backers say its progress is the biggest success story to date of a decades-old nationwide movement to end circumcision of male infants in the United States. A similar effort in Massachusetts last year failed to gain traction.




HEH, I wonder whats next in the land of fruits and nuts?? POWDERMAN. 

[XD40SC]

Let's hope they nip it in the bud.

[wreckhog]

Larry Lobster and Sam Clam where best friends. They did everything together. The only difference between them is that Larry was the nicest Lobster ever and Sam, well lets just say he was not so good.
Larry and Sam did so much together that they even died together.

Larry went to heaven and Sam went to hell.

Larry was doing well in heaven and one day St. Peter came up to him and said, "Larry, you know you are the nicest clam we ever had up here. Everyone likes you but you seem to be a bit depressed.

Tell me what is bothering you, maybe I can help."

Larry said, "Well, don't get me wrong Pete, I like it up here and everything, but I really miss my good friend Sam Clam. We used to do everything together and I really miss him a lot."

St. Peter looked at Larry with pity and said to him, "I tell you what, I can arrange it so that you can go down to hell tomorrow and visit Sam all day. How would that sound?"

This made Larry very happy and he got up bright and early the next morning and grabbed his wings, his harp, and his halo and got in the elevator to hell. When the doors opened he was met by Sam. The hugged each other and they were off. You see in Hell Sam owned a disco. The spent the day there together and had a great time. At the end of the day Larry and Sam went back to the elevator together said their goodbyes and Larry got back in the elevator and went up to heaven. He stepped off the elevator and was greeted by St. Peter who blocked the doorway to heaven. He looked at Larry and said, "Larry Lobster, didn't you forget something?"

Larry looked around and said, "No, I don't think so I have my halo and my wings."

St. Peter looked at him and said, "Yes, but what about your harp?" Larry gasped and said, "I Left My Harp in Sam Clam's Disco."

[1marty]

they were always quite nutty out there-what else is new??  I guess the Jewish people will have to think of something else to cut off.

[powderman]

wreck. HEH, that was bad, go to your room without supper. POWDERMAN. 

[Sourdough]

Wreck:  Shame on you.  That was so far out it took me 30 seconds to get it.

[OldSchoolRanger]

Larry gasped and said, "I Left My Harp in Sam Clam's Disco." 

That was so-oh-oh-oh bad. I still don't believe I read the entire story. 
Wreck, I Have to learn to not read your posts.   

That's almost as bad as the story about how much the Mexicans love mayonnaise. 

[jhm]

     Until 18 I am glad my parents did the deed when I was a baby, at 18 things were a little busier and I dont think I would have taken the time to LOOSE the HOOD.  Jim

[slim rem 7]

not surprized at all..we are talking the state that wants to regulate everything..next they ll regulate when you can fart..

[Pat/Rick]

San Fran Sicko

[BBF]

I keep asking myself why a god would want that.  How about just using a branding iron on your butt or "ink" you forehead. This way the female gender can share equally.

[mcwoodduck]

they were always quite nutty out there-what else is new??  I guess the Jewish people will have to think of something else to cut off.

A Moile was on the TV last night and said that the Greeks and some other countries tried to ban it in the middle ages.
But he said it was simple thye woulod either do the ceromony in Oakland or Daily City.  Either towns just 5 miles outside of the SF county / City line.
If the wack jobs that got it on the Bill get it passed the city will loose thousands of $ in hospital expensies as the birthing centers for paying patients will be outside of the city.

[wreckhog]

Jews don't do it at birth. More like 8 days later at a party. One reason is that it is religious, and if the birth is at the wrong time, you cannot even pick up the phone and tell anyone that it happened, until a day later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah

Interesting folks.

Less commonly practiced, and more controversial, is metzitzah b'peh, (alt. mezizah), or oral suction, where the mohel sucks blood from the circumcision wound. The traditional reason for this procedure is to minimize the potential for postoperative complications, although the practice has been implicated in the spreading of herpes to the infant.

[BUGEYE]

Hey wreck, who made up that garbage?

[wreckhog]

The oral thing? Wikipedia?

The 8 day thing is common knowledge if you have Jewish friends. My wife shared a maternity room with a Jewish woman in that exact situation. I offered to call the husband, and she laughed and said that he could not pick up the phone anyway. Nice lady. Tough lady. If the labor had started an hour later, she was prepared to stay home and give birth there rather than be transported to the hospital. Tough because it was the second kid and she had complications with the first.

[williamlayton]

GOOD CONVERSATION---bad joke, but I laughed just to be aimeable.
I learned some things for coffe this week.
Blessings

[squirrellluck]

Scatter, go back and read that portion of the bible with a attitude of health and hi gene and I think you will get a better picture of things.

[Shu]

To bad there are not laws about idiots making laws. Having a bit snipped is no ones buisiness and certainly not the governments.

[gypsyman]

And these are the people that claim to be so open minded. This should be a parental decision, but, once again, politicians are telling you, we know whats best, your to dumb. gypsyman

[mcwoodduck]

And these are the people that claim to be so open minded. This should be a parental decision, but, once again, politicians are telling you, we know whats best, your to dumb. gypsyman

It's the anti religous Big Nanny state people that think they know best and typical Liberals.  If they don't like it, they try to outlaw it rather than ignore it.   They talk about diversity but want everyone the same eating organic tofu and driving a bicycle and taking public transportation. 
After moving here I found that most Rabid liberals are like 5 year olds.  "I hate" this or that not having tried it or understand the need for it.  And most are willing to cut off thier nose to spite their face.  Health care is a point.  They hate Insurance companies and scream about a board making health desicions but you have contract law that will allow you to sue them. With the government in charge you still have a board making your health care desicions but with out the ability to apeal their desicions on your life.  And like a child all they see is the instant gratification of free this or that.  I suspect that the measure is going to go down with one of the largest defeats in liberal history.   If I am wrong there is a huge option to have the law repealed using the liberal argument against them.  If the parent can make the desicion to abort the child why can they not make a desicion to modify the child under religous conviction?

[Mohawk]

Our doc recommends circumcision. They say less STD's and virul infections spread as a result.

[Mikey]

Mohawk:  That's right, in ancient times when the practice started  it was for health reasons, to prevent disease and the spread of disease.  In the Jewish tradition it was the Rabbi who performed the circumcision either at the home or in the Temple, hence a religious ceremony regardless of location.  I believe Rabbis continue this practice today or continue with the practice from a religious oversight perspective, especially in those (nanny) states where health laws require all operations or surgical procedures to be performed in a hospital/clinic, etc., and although not performed in a Temple or home, it is conducted under the auspices of the Rabbi, which makes it a religious ceremony. 

Shu:  So true.

[Empty Quiver]

Californians vote like they are teenage girls filling out the latest Seventeen poll on kissing. Every few months there is a cause celeb. How many times have they voted to get the wetbacks removed? How many times have they tried to get shut of the homo weddings. Does not matter a whit how they vote, or whether they vote, their future will be decided for them by their nanny elders.

[mcwoodduck]

Californians vote like they are teenage girls filling out the latest Seventeen poll on kissing. Every few months there is a cause celeb. How many times have they voted to get the wetbacks removed? How many times have they tried to get shut of the homo weddings. Does not matter a whit how they vote, or whether they vote, their future will be decided for them by their nanny elders.

The problem we have here in Ca is that if on chance the liberals win a vote they scream the people voted.  When they loose they shout unfair, illegal, unconstitutional, and drag it into the court where they have a chance to win with a liberal judge that thinks the same way they do.

[Cheesehead]

I wonder how many men would opt for this procedure as an adult?

Cheese

[Spirithawk]

Spank an unruly kid and it's child abuse. Cut off a piece of him and it's the cool thing to do.  Crazy world we live in. 

[wreckhog]

I wonder how many men would opt for this procedure as an adult?

Cheese

I know someone that had it done in their 20's. I have to imagine that it was a fetish, because there is just no gain for the pain. That said, I have never been unclipped, so maybe it is a PITA?

[wreckhog]

Spank an unruly kid and it's child abuse. Cut off a piece of him and it's the cool thing to do.  Crazy world we live in. 

Jam a finger up a butt and wiggle, it is sodomy. Call it a prostate exam, and you can charge for it.

Tell a woman to take off her clothes, it is a sexual harrassment suit, become a GYN or OB, and it is a career.

Crazy huh.

[Mohawk]

 That fold of skin harbors pathogens that cause AIDS, and other disease in certain countries and circumstances. There was apparently a study about it in Africa where HIV is rampid...............? I am having a girl so it is not an issue, but the word at the birthing class is that circumsistion is becoming more popular due to disease studies. Can't name who studied what, it was just part of the class. (I am sure you can Google it) For this topic, I am for parental rights regarding their child to benefit their well being and health. Every child deserves to grow up healthy, strong, confident, and safe. Any legislation against those basic needs is a bad thing. Just my two cents..........

[Shu]

I really worry about a government who has nothing to do but worry about someone elses Mr. Winky.
Think about it for a minute, would you ask in the lunch room at work for a showing of those circumcised or not. I would really rather to eat lunch have some jokes and converstation than worry about someone's Mr. Winky.
If in doubt about circumcision you should talk to a doctor, not a politician. Is that just common sense or have I lost my mind?