The obamination tells Israel to return to 1967 borders.

[beerbelly]

Oh ok got ya loud and clear. Following that logic the United States is on the hook for who knows how much to China so we need to start taking our marching orders from Beijing

We already do!

[ironglow]

I am still waiting for someone to explain to me just what gives Obama the authority to make demands in a souvereign nation's internal affairs.

Because they are on the dole from the U.S. for billioms of dollars a year! If you take the mans money you do what the man says!

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  At least Israel is our friend..now Obama wants to give billions to the regimes in Egypt and Libya;

  http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/110519/middle-east-aid-obama-egypt-tunisia-marshall-video

        ...And we don't even know but what they may be Hezbollah, Hamas, Taliban, Al Queda ..or a combo of all four !

[beerbelly]

Israel is not our friend! They use us , take our money, and act as though they own us, but they are not our friend!

[wreckhog]

Is the kid that delivers newspapers your friend? How about the illegal that mows your lawn? The guy that picks up your trash?

Israel is not exactly our friend. We pay them. They act real uppity given that we pay them. If we tell them to jump, they ought to ask how high. If they were our friend, we would not need to pay them.

[bigMikeA]

Is the kid that delivers newspapers your friend?  YEP, HE REALLY IS. How about the illegal that mows your lawn?   BELIEVE IT OR NOT,  I MOW MY OWN LAWNThe guy that picks up your trash?  AND YEP....   I PICK UP MY OWN TRASH!!!

Israel is not exactly our friend. We pay them. They act real uppity given that we pay them. If we tell them to jump, they ought to ask how high. If they were our friend, we would not need to pay them.  RIGHT....   

[ironglow]

Israel is not our friend! They use us , take our money, and act as though they own us, but they are not our friend!

   Israel is our friend, they have done our dirty work for us many times.  Who else in the neighborhood would have done this for us ?....   http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm

  or this:     http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2461421.ece

  Willing to show courage..even when others falter:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/25/iran.israelandthepalestinians1

   Friends help friends:   http://www.ispr.org/Institute_for_Intelligence_and_Special_Tasks_Mossad.html   
   (note; 5th paragraph..)

   They help anyone who is willing to stop MuhaMAD's killers:  http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/41996/

        To use one of the terrorist's own phrases:  "the enemy of my enemy, ..is my friend"..
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   Ans Wreckhog:
  We are not talking about a paper boy..Certainly not the guy who takes out our trash;
                        ...But rather the friend who helps us by WIPING OUT trash, for us..see first 3 links above !

[DDZ]

We do get a return for the money given to Israel. Unlike the bottomless pits we throw money into, like Pakistan, and other countries.  Israel has never asked for US troops to protect its borders. What do we think that has cost us in other countries?
 http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/124938

If Israel was still just a desert like the rest of the middle east, would anyone really be wanting a piece of Israel? Its like we want what you got, because you were resourceful, prosperous, and made something of the land.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600302/posts

[ironglow]

TM;
  Obviously, you didn't read the links..which had nothing to do with "buying govts" ..but direct actions by the Israelis which benefitted the US in a substantial way.
   I suppose you would join in with BHO in taking funds from "our near bankrupt nation" and doing this with them :
         
    http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2600775%3ABlogPost%3A3916206&commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A3916391&xg_source=activity

[powderman]

If Israel was still just a desert like the rest of the middle east, would anyone really be wanting a piece of Israel? Its like we want what you got, because you were resourceful, prosperous, and made something of the land.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600302/posts




EXACTLY. If the godless ones got it they would turn it into slums like they do everywhere they go. Like throwing pearls to swine. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

...
... You bring your rocks and spitball rockets and we'll match that with F-16's and tanks.

 
I wouldn't call that a match................... BTW who are the "we" ??

[BBF]

Following that logic the United States is on the hook for who knows how much to China s o we need to start taking our marching orders from Beijing

Not anywhere close. The USA borrows  money and is expected to pay it back with interest
 
The Israelis get it for nothing and don't have to pay it back.

[ironglow]

With the aid we provide Israel, we are given respect and a friend..the only form of democratic govt in the area.

    Here's a list of the nations we provide foreign aid to...and how they respect us ..by their vote in the UN.  Just read the charts.  There are 3 charts ..look to see what kind of gratitude we get for the funds we provide..Already checked for accuracy by Snopes;

  http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/unvote.asp

  With the funds provided Israel, much of it comes right back here to buy weapon systems etc, from the US..providing help and jobs for our economy.
      http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/31/aid-to-israel-and-the-bang-for-those-bucks/

  We should all be aware  that the muslim states very often buy Russian weapons & systems..   Did you  :Dsee all the AKs those clowns carry around ?

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. Dang it, there ya go posting facts and making sense again. You should know that gives the dem libbys a headache. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

How dense of me.
You make friends by giving them money and close your eyes to whatever they do.
No thanks!!
 
BTW I would be totally in agreement if all foreign aid was cancelled

[lakota]

Following that logic the United States is on the hook for who knows how much to China s o we need to start taking our marching orders from Beijing

Not anywhere close. The USA borrows  money and is expected to pay it back with interest
 
The Israelis get it for nothing and don't have to pay it back.

I dont believe the US could ever pay back the amount of money they(we) owe. Current US debt: 14,000,000,000,000,000. Each citizen's share of the debt is 46K. Thats per citizen not per tax payer. Yay congress! Lets borrow more and send it to the middle east! When I say no more foreign aid to any nation I mean it. No foreign aid to anyone including Israel. I recognize Israel's right to exist but with rights come responsibilities therefore I also recognize Israel's and every other nation's RESPONSIBLITY to handle their own affairs without a handout from the idiots in Washington D.C.

[ironglow]

Scatter;
  Did you even take a short look at the info I posted ?   It is a list of all the nations  who gets funds from us and how well they show their gratitude.  NONE of them have been only mildly "friendly" to us. 
       The lower chart shows the nations in this world that have been historically "friendly" to the US; including Australia, Canada, Japan, France and the UK.  While I am not faulting them, I say look at the voting record..there is no better "friend" of the US in that world body called "the UN".
  Even though the committed, single thought, die hard Libertarians may want to close American seaports, shut down international airports, keep out all visitors have nothing to do with other nations and make the US into the new "hermit kingdom', they cannot deny the true record.
  It appears there is something more sinister but left unsaid, going on in the minds of these types.... than simple Libertarianism.

[cpileri]

Dear President Obama:

I am writing today with a somewhat unusual request. First and foremost, I will be asking that you return America to its August 20th, 1959 borders so that Hawaii is no longer a state and you are no longer a citizen.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

[powderman]

Dear President Obama:

I am writing today with a somewhat unusual request. First and foremost, I will be asking that you return America to its August 20th, 1959 borders so that Hawaii is no longer a state and you are no longer a citizen.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

HEH, I love it. POWDERMAN. 

[bigMikeA]

Dear President Obama:

I am writing today with a somewhat unusual request. First and foremost, I will be asking that you return America to its August 20th, 1959 borders so that Hawaii is no longer a state and you are no longer a citizen.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

HEH, I love it. POWDERMAN. 

Me too...   

[BBF]

Scatter;
 ................  It is a list of all the nations  who gets funds from us and how well they show their gratitude.  NONE of them have been only mildly "friendly" to us. 
       

I agree !
That is why I join lakota and saying "nobody gets anything for free."

[bagdadjoe]

If Mexican president Calderon says for the "US to pull back to the Pre-1846 borders", Obama would probably think that was a good idea.

[yellowtail3]

If Mexican president Calderon says for the "US to pull back to the Pre-1846 borders", Obama would probably think that was a good idea.

Maybe we should go by who was there first. Or second. We were there last, having invaded and conquered. Since we don't have a deed from God saying it's ours forever - or at least, no fruitcakes claiming same - maybe we should leave? Or maybe taking by force is the righteous way to go. Maybe that was God blessing us, killing those Mexicans after annexing Texas. Were they godless ones, too? After all... there are some wingnuts who don't believe Catholics are Christians, aren't there?

which? Let's relate to the middle east...

[powderman]

yellow. Who are you referring to as WE?? POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

yellow. Who are you referring to as WE?? POWDERMAN. 

This country, our country, the US.

Whaddya think, Powderman - were those Mexican soldiers godless ones? Or just standing in the way of America's needed (?) lebensraum?

[powderman]

yellow. I asked who we were because a lot of your posts might lead a feller to think you were something other than American. The mexicans lost, get over it. God did bless us, now the mexicans give us murder, drugs, and bedbugs.  POWDERMAN. 

[jimster]

Israel will tell the UN, President Obama, and anyone else that tells them to return to pre-67 borders to go to h*ll....and if the UN told us we had to hand over our southern states to Mexico...or even give it ALL back to the Indians, or whatever...we would say the same thing.

Neither the UN or president Obama means a thing to Israel, heck they don't mean a thing to us either...let's get real here. You got to have a lot of imagination to think anyone would pay attention to either one, the UN or president Obama.  The land belongs to whoever has it and whoever can keep it, that's the way it is all over the world...and we got this country the same way.  Far as the UN and president Obama goes, they both have been found to be corrupt from within, it pretty much makes them worthless to most of us, we sure don't need their advice.

[bigMikeA]

   Far as the UN and president Obama goes, they both have been found to be corrupt from within, it pretty much makes them worthless to most of us, we sure don't need their advice.

    YEP...!!  100% right on jimster       just wish now there was some some way we could tell them both to shove it.

[yellowtail3]

yellow. I asked who we were because a lot of your posts might lead a feller to think you were something other than American.

Really? Such feller would likely be a semi-literate idiot. I post in American English, was born here, live here, hunt, and will probably die here. Lemme fix yer post for you:

yellow. I asked who we were because a lot of your posts might lead a feller to think you were something other than a narrow ideologue who sees the world in black and white, us vs them, and... heck, you'd don't sound like a xenophobic idiot at all!

Now you're getting warmer.

[ironglow]

yellow. I asked who we were because a lot of your posts might lead a feller to think you were something other than American.

Really? Such feller would likely be a semi-literate idiot. I post in American English, was born here, live here, hunt, and will probably die here. Lemme fix yer post for you:

yellow. I asked who we were because a lot of your posts might lead a feller to think you were something other than a narrow ideologue who sees the world in black and white, us vs them, and... heck, you'd don't sound like a xenophobic idiot at all!

Now you're getting warmer.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  Yellow;
   A suggestion; perhaps we should let another individual's post stand as written.  Whether there are grammatical, spelling, punctuation mistakes or errors in elocution, we all commit them; myself often leading the pack.  I overuse dots.....and with my large, economy sized fingers often transpose or add letters.
   Intentionally changing what another has said, either by redoing the statement or using such devices as .."let me get this straight" or "in other words you are saying" are easily recognized devices, often used in a debate to negate anothers point.
  So long as that person's intention is understood, let us allow it to stand and follow the intellectually honest point/counterpoint procedure.  This allows for much more frankness and much less obfuscation.
   This advice is not for yellow alone, we all could keep it in mind.

[Lost Farmboy]

Dear President Obama:

I am writing today with a somewhat unusual request. First and foremost, I will be asking that you return America to its August 20th, 1959 borders so that Hawaii is no longer a state and you are no longer a citizen.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

HEH, I love it. POWDERMAN. 

Me too...   

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