Author Topic: No Excuses bullet lube (Read 1440 times)

flintlock54 · « **on:** December 30, 2003, 05:18:28 AM »

The bullet lube has a strong odor of ben-gay. Do you folks actually hunt with these bullets without fear that a deer could pick up on the scent?

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2003, 06:30:56 AM »

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Well, if you feel a deer will sniff what is inside your barrel through your fouling shot, you can pop a condom / balloon on your muzzle.

flintlock54 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2003, 06:50:21 AM »

Oh Randy! There is no way you could avoid contaminating the air. If you even opened a speed loader or even touched the lube to your skin in the woods your hunt would be over. The stuff is creamy and smells like yellow ben-gay. Just picking one out the box it gets all over your fingers. It would smear up and down your bore.

Would you even think of applying ben-gay before going in the woods?

I guess if you just shoot paper it is ok.

Underclocked · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2003, 07:04:11 AM »

I know deer are terrified of Ben-Gay.

Might make a decent cover scent and clear your head while you load.

There have surely been a lot of deer taken with those bullets.

flintlock54 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2003, 07:17:40 AM »

Straight answer now! Would you smear ben-gay on your body before the hunt?

But then again if you are old and twice over retired your mustard plaster and aqua velva maybe acting as a cover scent that actually turns on the deer. :-D :-D :-D

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2003, 07:51:36 AM »

My daily bathing in doe urine is not what it used to be. :roll:

People smell funny, at least the girls from the trailer park do. Some folks agree with you-- hence, bore butter in "Pine Fresh Scent." Bob Bowers' touch of vanilla Green Hornet Lube is good. UC feels Crisco tastes better.

The straight answer is yes-- many people hunt with the bullet lube in question, with no problems, and have for years: proudly and without fear.

fairchase · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2003, 08:22:43 AM »

Saturday night with the misses, I've smeared on much worse :-D

flintlock54 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2003, 08:43:32 AM »

Is that crap T/C bore butter? If so what is the point of making it stink.

Or is it the intend of the T/C engineers to remind old hunters of their girly friends back at the group home.

Super 91 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:08:18 PM »

Custom257, I have hunted with a variety of bullets that have had a strong odor and wondered about this for years, although I do not feel this has ever "given me away". And I am a strong proponent of scent control, and I have not had a problem with this. Although I did send Mr. Wakeman a sample of lube that did include the experimental secret "vanilla" scent, I do not use it in the other lube I make. The only real smell it seems to have to it is beeswax, which I would hope would tend to be a more natural scent.

flintlock54 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:38:01 PM »

Super 91,

When I opened the box of bullets my wife could smell the lube six feet away and she has chronic sinus congestion. I re-sealed the box with tape and then placed it in the shipping box sealed it tight and I could still smell the lube at arms length. I am returning the bullets paying shipping costs to and from just to be fair to the seller. Would be more than happy to try a custom conical if they were lubed with a natural scent lube. I would be your first customer. What is the sound reasoning for using a lube that smells that bad in the first place? I can't think of one.

Super 91 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:55:52 PM »

257, I really couldn't answer that one. I know I have used the NoExcuses bullets to harvest a number of animals, and they never smelled it coming.

But on the serious note, the NE bullets shoot extemely well for me. I hope to be shooting some of my new bullets soon, and if they do as well as I think they are going to do, I will be starting a small part-time bullet making business. I am going to be "handing out" some samples for people to product test, so keep your eyes open, I will post once I get my dies and equipment in order. I don't want to be like one company I know, that says they have product and a year later still don't have it. When I say I have it, the bullets will be in a pack, ready for shipment. So far the Master Caster throws a great bullet, and it is a time proven design that should do very well. It is patterned after the Super Slug of old, with a slight variation. BTW, what rifle do you shoot and what caliber?

flintlock54 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:30:48 PM »

Super 91,

Sounds like you have a plan.

My pride and joy is a Knight Disc Magnum in .50 cal 26" barrel. I know this rifle inside and out. The only thing left to experiment with is conicals.

Super 91 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2003, 11:17:14 PM »

Custom257, what is the land to land diameter of your bore? I only have .503 dies for my 50 cal stuff. That might be too tight or just right, depending on what day your rifle was built.

flintlock54 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 31, 2003, 02:04:51 AM »

Super 91,

I knew you were going to ask. Don't know, but I will attempt to slug the barrel tonight. Up until this point I used my own type of fit test with variuos types of sabots. Tighter the better but the happy meduim is no short starter for clean bore and two followup shots. I have found that my group will only differ by 1/2 inch at 50 yards between clean bore and first fouled shot using this method. The Hornady sabot and 300 grain XTP was the best using this method eliminating the most desired by most fouling shot. 100 yard groups 1 - 1/4 inches. Dead centers and Noslers SHOTS were under an inch during my testing but required a fouled bore. Clean to fouled with the Noslers would produce a six inch flyer at fifty yards. After two pounds of loose 777, four boxes of 777 pellets, and a few hundred dollars of various saboted bullets I got a pretty good idea what will shoot and how to load this rifle. Add in federal and CCI primers in the test. Sorry about the long story. I should have some older conicals lelf over from my T/C Reneagde phase that might work for slugging.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #14 on:** December 31, 2003, 05:21:32 AM »

Super 91 makes fine bullets-- the "vanilla" (though true) was more of a gag by Super 91 than a strong aroma. His lube has a neutral smell, even when melted. Alox, for example, I don't think you would want in the house. :oops:

Flatland Hunter · « **Reply #15 on:** December 31, 2003, 05:47:50 AM »

I used the NE 460 gr .451 conical to cleanly harvest 2 bucks this year. I also had a doe inside of 10 yards of me, I was on the ground, and she did not wind me once. She did a semi-circle around me, stomping, looking, little snorts, and head jigs. She finally walked off, couldn't figure out what I was, it was about 30 minutes from the first I saw her. No odor problems here... I do venture afield with a balloon on the muzzle though, rain or shine.

flintlock54 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 31, 2003, 09:01:08 AM »

I can now conclude from all your testimonies that scent control is no longer an issue when deer hunting. I give!

:shock: 60 minutes will be airing a story this sunday night which confirm that whitetail deer are now thumbing their noses at hunters and laying down their lifes in protest. :shock:

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Underclocked · « **Reply #17 on:** December 31, 2003, 10:00:17 AM »

They also enjoy singing.

flintlock54 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 31, 2003, 03:54:02 PM »

Super 91,

I used a 15 year Buffalo 385 grain two band conical to slug the barrel. Slight tap with a rubber hammer to start but it but slipped down the barrel with a perfect set of imprints in the bands. I used a dial caliper to measure and double checked the caliper gap with a expandable pin guage and micrometer. Let me know what you think.

Bullet bands before: .511

Slugged measurement outside lands is .509

Inside land to land: Most slightly over .502, largest .503

Super 91 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2004, 01:51:48 AM »

Custom257, I responded to your pm.

Another question about scent control is this. If you worry about the lube on the bullets, what about what you clean and preserve your gun with? I see in Wal-mart they had some scent-free gun cleaning products on the markdown rack. Seems there are a few people here that don't go for that as they had dozens of kit there. What is your take on that end of the scent control issue? Is it possible to get your gun scent free, more so than those NE bullets? Maybe the smell from the lube would mask or cover the stink of the oils and cleaners. :grin:

flintlock54 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 01, 2004, 05:07:55 AM »

Super 91,

I learned to deer hunt in missouri were deer hunters are plenty and the nice bucks only exist because they are smarter than the hunter. I have learned from some well seasoned hunters that if you want the big one you have to be one up on the buck. Luck should not be the only factor in hunting. So scent is the important to me in a sense that if I can prevent some I will, and others I may not have control over, such as my breath or sometimes gun oil. I must say when I started hunting smarter my collection of horns increased. And what scent you can not control wind direction will take care of. This year was another fine example with the taking of a beautiful thick racked 10 point that is getting shoulder mounted as we speak.

Most of my gun cleaning or lubing is done with a few products that are low odor only because I do not care to each a sandwich the next day with the odor of breakfree or hoppes on my hands. For lubing or cleaning internal parts I use Hornady one shot gun cleaner & dry lube. Threads, external metal, and bore I use Butch's Gun oil. It actually has a very light candy smell that you have to stick your nose into just to pick up the scent.

jh45gun · « **Reply #21 on:** January 03, 2004, 01:19:11 AM »

I have killed about as many deer as most and I really do think the scent thing is overstated! Back in the old days before scent was a big issue guys smelled like grease, woodsmoke, tobacco smoke ect ect did not take a bath for days in primitive hunting camps and still shot lots of deer. Lets face it humans stink and even after a little exertion you will smell somewhat even with the best deoderants and scent coverups. Deer are use to human smells and I am sure smell those scents all the time. I have heard of hunters killing large bucks while smoking and or having a fire to warm them selves. Deer are used to humans watching them from vehicles, houses ect if deer were so scared of human scent they would not come near your house to raid the garden or your feed pile for them. I think deer are more nervous of you moving and being where you do not blend in instead of the scent factor. During hunting season Human scent is all around and the deer do not react to it as much as other factors. I have sat next to a large tree and had deer walk right by me with out knowing I was there. Othertimes they knew I was there but as long as I did not move they just watched me as they ate ect. I think movement means danger to them more than scent does. All this scent business makes good money for the folks making it though. I am talking about cover scents only. Jim