Author Topic: The Ruger No. 1 in .30-30 (Read 7382 times)

mannyrock · « **on:** May 20, 2011, 08:31:40 AM »

Well, it looks like this rifle is now out there, on all of the auction boards etc., for about $900 plus tax and shipping.

I would really love to have one. I have frankly been surprised at all of the initial negative feedback on various boards to this rifle in this caliber. Many are saying, "Why in .30-30? What's the point? What a waste? You could just get one in .30-06"

This makes absolutely no sense to me. These falling blocks were meant for rimmed cartridges, and the .30-30 is the most classic rimmed cartridge in American history. When the No. 1 was made in the 7 Mauser, I didn't hear anbody saying, "Why? What's the point? Just get one in 7mm Mag." I'll bet this rifle is a sweet, quiet, accurate shooter in .30-30. Just my thoughts. Mannyrock

eastbank · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2011, 08:46:48 AM »

i wanted a rimmed .30 cal. but their are not to many around,so i found a number 3 in 30-40 krag and it was cheaper and can be loaded up or down. eastbank.

PowPow · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2011, 08:57:46 AM »

I load standard 30-06 loads with spitzers and reduced recoil loads (30-30 energy) with round nose bullets for my #1, and carry some of each, rather than have different guns. If I sit down in a good 30-30 spot, I will just load one of those lighter load bullets.

I think falling blocks were meant for long cartridges, like the 30-06.
So I join the many who are saying "Why in .30-30? What's the point? What a waste? You could just get one in .30-06."

To introduce a new cartridge for the #1, it would seem all Ruger has to do is buy reamers and print catalogs, so eventually there may be a #1 in just about every caliber, even if it was only offered for a year.

Thank you for starting this topic. Rather talk about #1's than politics any day.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2011, 09:04:48 AM »

Bill Ruger was a marketing genious. I think he understood that why would someone Pay 2-3X for a No.1 in 30-30 as they would for a Winchester or Marlin lever.
I See the draw for one. I can also see the draw for a No. 1 in 348 Win. I can see a draw for many of the classic rimmed rounds.
Ruger had the No3 for a few years and offered in 30-40K, a hot 30-30 or 308 class ctg.
What I think is a plus to the 30-30 for deer is the big round nose that knocks down deer others see as a detraction and want the pointed bullets. And if you have to reload the pointed bullets (30 American) why not load 308 or 30-06 to the same or hotter speeds?
With the flop of the 303 Brit not because of demand but because of proformance.
The 30-30 will sell to those that like it and others that do not see the 30-30 as the great big game round it is. And where most shoot deer with in 100 yards laser like trajectories and magnum recoil and power are not needed for most deer harvesting.
The challange of a single shot rifle adds to the desire. Aks the hundreds of Handi shooters here.
The No 1 / 3 seem to be a grown up version of the handi with a tang safety instead of a hammer and less lego factor.

mattmillerrx · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2011, 10:19:22 AM »

I thought the same as these other guys when I first seen this. Now, that I have thought it through, I want one. Another old round I would like to see them bring back out in the #1 is the hornet.

mannyrock · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2011, 01:01:16 PM »

Tch, tch, thc. :-) Once again you evil folks have made the same incorrect assumption that is repeatedly made on these boards. You assume that everyone reloads, and that everyone loves to reload.

The vast majority of hunters and shooters don't reload, and don't want to. Personally, I hate it. I can think of nothing more boring that to sit on a stool, squatting over a bench, and fooling with power, primers, scales, power throwers etc. etc. Yech. :-) If you guys love it, then I'll leave the whole thing to you.

The .30-30 is great, because if you keep your eyes open, you can still buy new factory ammo at the big box stores for about $12.50 a box. That's plenty cheap enough for me. Waste an afternoon "downloading" a .30-06? No thanks. I'd rather be hunting.

Best, Mannyrock

PowPow · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2011, 02:51:39 PM »

apologies for the assumption. never, ever, ever missed a day hunting to reload.
one of the nice things about the 30-30 (and the 30-06) is that you can buy ammo in almost any hardware store in America.

S.E.Ak · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2011, 08:46:26 PM »

I think its a fine gun in 30-30 and for sure if they put sights on it

pastorp · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2011, 05:51:07 AM »

Guess my thoughts are why carry a 8lb 30-30 around when you can have a 6lb winchester 94 or a 6lb contender carbine.

However I realise everyone don't like the same things. I've owned several #1 over the years and their just too heavy for me.

Regards,

eskimo36 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2011, 08:50:40 AM »

I want one in 30-30 and one in 9.3x74r. I already have custom walnut wood waiting on them. The 30-30 i want because i have over a thousand pieces of once fired brass and about 2000 165 gr lead bullets. The other one just because it is cool. I just went about it backwards... I have stocks for a yet unnamed unaquired pair of Ruger #1 rifles.

S.E.Ak · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2011, 10:46:46 AM »

Wish I had that wood for my #3 or the extra cash to buy it.You sir have very good taste

pastorp · « **Reply #11 on:** May 23, 2011, 11:49:41 AM »

I agree on the wood. Might make carrying a heavy rifle worth it.

Regards,

.22-5-40 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2011, 06:34:21 PM »

Hello, guys. Don't be in such a hurry to condem Ruger for bringing out a single shot in .30WCF. I have been a member of the ASSRA (American Single Shot Rifle Association) for many years, and for most of that time, I have been hearing the membership griping that no new shooters are coming into the sport...Well DUH! Not too many young guys with family responsibilities can pony up the dinero for some of those fancy schuetzen , or other single shot beauties. Here then is their chance to get in on the cheap..the ctg. is small enough to permit accurate shooting of plain-based lead bullets over moderate smokeless loads. The Cowboy long-range match shooters will probably take to it, and for woods range deer..well it has proven itself for over 100 years.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #13 on:** August 02, 2011, 03:51:30 PM »

I'd prefer to see the #3 brought back out in 30-30, 38-55, 25-35, 22 Hornet and some of the other old cartridges. I have one in 375 Win. that is sweet and lighter than the #1. DP

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #14 on:** August 02, 2011, 06:51:27 PM »

Quote from: dpe.ahoy on August 02, 2011, 03:51:30 PM

I'd prefer to see the #3 brought back out in 30-30, 38-55, 25-35, 22 Hornet and some of the other old cartridges. I have one in 375 Win. that is sweet and lighter than the #1. DP

What about a 348 Win chambered one?

ohiosam · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2011, 07:22:17 PM »

To me the 30-30 doesn't seem like a good match to a No.1. Maybe I could see it in an RSI. Now a No. 3 in 30-30 makes more sense.

briarpatch · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2011, 07:41:23 PM »

A 30-30 will do everything I have ever wanted a hunting round to do. A no. 1 is the platform I would choose. A perfect match up. To Me. Your mileage may vary.

pastorp · « **Reply #17 on:** August 19, 2011, 03:35:20 AM »

Mannyrock,

I'm with you on the reloading. Not my favorite thing to do, but I seem to shoot a lot of calibers that reguire it. Either wildcats or obselete rounds or unpopular rounds that can be purchased but are too expensive to buy so I reload them. Your right though the 30-30 is still reasonable to buy but if you want to shoot something different then you better be rich or plan to reload.

When I bought my 260 rem. ammo was hard to find & pricy in my area. So I ordered 1,000rd of new brass & 1,000 140gr Corlocks and assembled them myself. I'll never need to load for that gun again in my lifetime. I say assembled because the first load I tried shot into 5/8" so why mess with that. I just left my auto powder measure set where it was & cranked them out...

Regards,

DEACONLLB · « **Reply #18 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:06:45 PM »

I would like to see one in RSI and 7x30 waters cal I could go for one of those.

Deaconllb

Drugstore Cowboy · « **Reply #19 on:** August 19, 2011, 04:42:50 PM »

Well. I have #3 in 30/40 K. It shoots very well. Also have a 260 in a 1885 LowWall and really like the exposed hammer and a lighter gun. So 2 years ago had MGM make a 30/40 K barrel for a G2 Contender. Bingo this is the gun. A gun light to carry, a good deer cartridge with an exposed hammer. None of this is to say bad thing about the other guns I have.
I have wondered about the 348 also except I don't beleive I could get it in a Contender barrel. Does anyone have anything chambered in 348 and what are your experiences?

hawken54 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2011, 12:56:56 PM »

just bought one on gunbroker and cant wait for it to get here, will try and post pics and let you know how it shoots.

DEACONLLB · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2011, 01:49:26 PM »

If you look long enough you can find a number 1 in about any cal you wont. I saw a number 1 light sporter in 357 mag. a couple of gun shows back and there have been a number of calif. Hyway patrol mod. in 357 mag on Gun Broker. saw a new Hornet in Cabalas year before last 750.00 out the door. I see a lot of 300 win. mag 7mm mag and 223 as well as 22-250 and 06 eves saw a 243 in RSI for 600.00 saw a 416 Rigby even saw one stamped 275 Rigby last year which is the same as the 7x57. If you are a serious buyer and looking I know a man near Joplin Mo and that is all that he deals in. Number ones as well as Ruger hand guns and all that he sell are nice.

Deaconllb

Swampman · « **Reply #22 on:** September 01, 2011, 11:29:47 AM »

I'd like to have a #1 or #3 in .30-40. A .30-30 would be simple to rechamber.

Frank46 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 01, 2011, 06:23:28 PM »

I'm with eskimo36, love the good old 30-30. Sometimes when I get bored I throw a couple in the truck and off to the range. Don't hunt anymore but I have a #3 action with #1 butt stock and a 28" bbl that I need to dust off and start shooting again. Oh yeah its a 30-30. Frank

Brithunter · « **Reply #24 on:** June 11, 2012, 08:19:28 PM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on May 20, 2011, 09:04:48 AM

With the flop of the 303 Brit not because of demand but because of proformance.

Hmmm I am puzzled as to why the 303 version failed on performance. care to enlighten me please?

gmg · « **Reply #25 on:** June 12, 2012, 01:34:19 PM »

I have thought I would like a no 1 in 30- 30 and have been watching them on gun broker.I have posted before on other forums that I think the h&r buffalo classic should be availible in 30-30 also.

Frank46 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 14, 2012, 03:18:50 PM »

I believe that the reason for the .303 flop was that they used older bore dimensions. Have heard about .315 bores.
If they had stuck with .311 to .312 things would have been much better. Hornady makes ..312 diameter bullets and there are plenty of .311 ones also. Frank

Brithunter · « **Reply #27 on:** June 14, 2012, 09:39:24 PM »

Thank you Frank, Strange as all the older .303's I have ever had had tighter bores rather than loser ones. T'was only in 2010 that I sold on my .303 Martin Enfield that was converted to .303 AC11 configuration by The Henry Rifle Barrel Company in 1898. That bore was far tighter than No4 sporting rifle conversion I now own.

mrbumps · « **Reply #28 on:** June 17, 2012, 04:18:27 AM »

I have a Number 1 in 303 British, and the bore slugs out at .3135
I have had some good luck with Sierra 180 Gr Pro Hunter Bullets over H4350. I almost always get the first three shots touching at 100 yds, but the next two open things up to about 1.5" But for a hunting rifle, I can deal with that!

Beartooth Bullets makes some cast bullets, and they will size most of them up to .313, or .314, so I may give those a try also.

Handloader Magazine's August 2011 issue has a nice write up and some loads for the .303 in the Ruger Number 1.

RevGeo · « **Reply #29 on:** June 21, 2012, 05:01:45 AM »

I have a sporterized single shot Original Haenel Lawrence Wehrmann 98 Mauser chambered for 30-40 Ackley Improved. Since the original caliber was 8.15X46R the bore is .315. I used to spend a lot of time forming bullets from .318 bullets until I tried the Hornady .312 174gr roundnose with H380 powder and got 1.5" groups, which are just fine for my hunting.
I've often thought that a Ruger #1 in 30-40 rechambered for the AI would be a great rifle for the reloading hunter. The round can be loaded from standard 30-40 velocities to 30-06 speeds.
I wish I would have bought one of the Rugers in .303 when they were available, but since I have the Wehrmann I'm covered in the .31 cal department.
A long barreled #1 in 30-30 sounds like a great deer gun (I like the look and balance of longer barrels).
Drugstore Cowboy was asking about the .348 Win. cartridge. I have an old Win Mod 71 in .348 and as a 200 yard elk rifle it is great. I never thought of a #1 in .348, but I think it would be a great idea. The .348 is capable of almost 2,600fps with a 200gr bullet. My Mod 71 came with an old Lyman 350457 gas check mould that throws a 250gr bullet and with IMR4759 it shoots accurately at about 1700fps from the old Winchester. Plenty good for deer and elk out to about 150 yards or so.
I love single shot rifles and the old rimmed cartridges. My only #1 is a .243 that I inhereited from my father. It's a tack driver with 100gr bullets, but sometimes I wish it were chambered for an old classic cartridge.
I'm really glad I found this forum.