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The Neo-Tinfoilers_ _Life in Denial of Facts
« on: May 23, 2011, 09:00:52 AM »
Here is an article from dailypaul.com which redefines who the tinfoilers are given the fact that the nmajority of Americans and world do not buy the 911 official conspiracy theory....do click on link just below for fact links contained within.....the author takes alot of sarcastic swipes at the neo-tinfoilers.............fyi..TM7


http://dailypaul.com/165432/the-12-stupidest-things-911-truth-deniers-believe

The 12 Things Nut Job 911 Truth DENIERS Believe!

Submitted by James_Madison_Lives on Fri, 05/20/2011 - 22:17
 

 
Tin hat! Nut job! - are the attacks constantly leveled at those questioning the official story of 911, in which objective truth and reality are attacked and called into question as insanity. The current climate may be the most serious attack on reason and the Enlightenment since Copernicus, when allegiance to superstition did combat with science and observation in a battle which could get you burned at the stake. The disinformation machine behind the crime of 911 seeks to turn reality on its head.

"Look at the science" has become a favored phrase among the propagandists, as if hardened steel rolling down into itself, inappreciably damaged by kerosene (jet fuel) or plane impact had anything to do with science. Then there is Building 7, not even hit by a plane.

So at this point it would be fun to see just what kind of fantastic, nut job physics any loon who buys the Official Story believes. The nut jobs are anyone who can believe:

- That a cloud of 5 to 10-ton pieces of cut steel beam and perimeter wall were shot out laterally at 70 MPH for distances of up to 600 feet, or three tower-widths, as a result of an air column. Air does not lift ten ton pieces of steel.

- That the molten steel which burned in the basement levels for months was the result of friction and kerosene (jet fuel). If so the foundry business has been revolutionized, and a way has been found to forge steel using much cheaper fuels than coke (refined coal) and expensive mega-blast furnaces of the kind you used to find in Pittsburgh, but are now in China thanks to the New World Order selling you out.

- Nut jobs think that Hani Hanjour, who was refused further flying lessons because he could not handle the controls of a Cessna, suddenly started flying like a Navy Blue Angel and performed an extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible, aerial maneuver, a 280 degree dive from 7,000 feet at 500 MPH, leveling out at 50 feet without scorching the lawn for a perfect bullseye into the Pentagon.

- Nut jobs think that cellphones (not Airfones) work at 30,000 feet. The next time you forget to turn off your cellphone on a flight and you are at cruising altitude, look at bars on your phone. Nada. These supposed "flukes" happened multiple times for extended calls. Right.

- That a thermite compound which is used in demolitions and does not occur in nature was miraculously found in the dust and debris of the WTC, with no connection to any demolition.

- That it is only a coincidence that multiple war games were taking place on the morning of 911 which involved elements which would confuse the NORAD air defenses, such as Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Vigilance, and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO.) One involves crashing a plane into the NRO, and the majority of personnel responsible for satellite surveillance of the nation's air space are sent home. The satellite imagery of the DC and northeast corridor airspace is lost. Lieutenant Colonel Dawne Deskins will later say that initially she and everybody else at Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) think an emergency call from Boston Center is part of Vigilant Guardian. Although most of the personnel on the NEADS operations floor have no idea what the day’s exercise is supposed to entail, most previous major NORAD exercises included a hijack scenario. As for Condoleeza Rice's statement that "no one could imagine planes being used as weapons," in October of 2000 NORAD had already practiced scenarios based around suicide pilots crashing stolen aircraft into the United Nations headquarters—a skyscraper in New York.

- Denier nut jobs believe that Dick Cheney in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), the bunker beneath the East Wing of the White House, watched Flight 77 for 40 minutes as it was coming in from Ohio, after the two towers had already been hit, and somehow innocently DID NOT give the order to shoot it down before it hit the Pentagon.

- Nut jobs think believe that jet fuel is anything but kerosene, and is some super-duper hot fuel. IT'S KEROSENE, STUPID!!! (anything much more volatile and you'd read about a lot more jetliners blowing up on the runway.)

- That almost every bit of concrete, office furniture, computers, and the other contents of the towers were pulverized to a fine 10-100 micrometer dust from it all "rubbing together" as it fell. The energy required to accomplish this pulverization has been calculated. Only extremely large amounts of explosives can account for it.

- Nut jobs think that there is nothing fishy about the almost total destruction of all evidence from all the sites of that day, from the immediate shipment of the WTC steel to China to be melted, to the aircraft debris from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania being destroyed rather than preserved for public inspection. The NTSB has elaborate legal procedures and facilities for investigating every airline disaster, from special hangers designed for debris identification and reconstruction. Every part of a commercial aircraft is stamped with a part serial number, to facilitate identification. Here is a photo of the partial aircraft reconstruction of Pan Am Flight 103, blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, with parts spread over 50 miles. Yet a partial reconstruction was made. Where is the reconstruction of the debris of Flight 93 which crashed in Shanksville?

- Tin-foils believe the official story believe that the man on the left in this LINKED photo, who was presented as bin Laden in a videotape "found" by the CIA in Afghanistan, in which he confesses to 911, is the same as the man on the right, a photo of the real bin Laden. Bin Laden denied involvement in 911 and the videos of him produced afterwards are obvious fakes.

- Best of all, they believe that 90,000 tons of steel, enough to build an aircraft carrier, nearly half of that in 47 continuous vertical core box columns as wide as six feet, gets soft or mushy from a relative thimble full of kerosene, or .05 percent by weight of the steel, and burning office furniture, enough to fall straight down at the speed of a bowling ball dropped from the same height (free-fall speed through air.) This is like trying to melt a crowbar with rolled up newspapers soaked in lighter fluid. No matter how long you stand there, that crowbar ain't going to get soft and mushy. It will still break bricks,even though it may be too hot to hold. You need a blast furnace with lots high grade coal and enclosed under a mechanically forced air supply for that. THOSE FACTORIES ARE IN CHINA NOW THANKS TO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO DID 911! HOW DO YOU FEEL?

- Ah yes, then there is Building 7, the one most Americans still don't know about. Three towers fell on that day. Building 7 - get this - without being hit by a plane, also fell flat into its footprint at free-fall speed. It is speculated the command center for the operation was there.

(For another experiment, try burning lots of synthetic carpet, computer plastic, and kerosene in your wood stove. See if it gets soft.)

Buildings roll down into themselves, and the aliens are coming. The Earth goes around the Sun, and 911 was an inside job.
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Re: The Neo-Tinfoilers_ _Life in Denial of Facts
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2011, 05:03:36 AM »
I have flown a dc-9 simulator and it would be no problem to aim it at a building.
TM7, did we really go to the moon?

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 05:00:27 PM »
Of course "mankind" has been to the moon....but we can't go back.  We stole some rocks from the people that live on the 'dark side of the moon'(not just a really good song, but the actual place), and we are no longer allowed to visit any longer......


Why does this one item(did we really go to the moon) always come up when someone can't dispute 'facts'?  Is it in the dis-information manual?  Do you work for the guberment?





Just flying an aircraft into a building probably isn't that hard.  Not touching anything on the lawn(gaint rolls of wire), trees, light poles in the parking lot or the lawn itself while flying level into a building between the first and second floor is something completely different.


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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 05:16:23 AM »
I've flown a simulator, I've been on a lot of check rides with friends (I did 30 years with delta)
and flying is not the big deal that a lot of people think and it's not always a pilots skill that gets him a job.  it's more his psycological profile that shows him cool headed under stress that gets him a job.  many years ago my wife and I went on a ride at a small airport. my wife sat beside the pilot.
he took a couple of minutes to explain the controls and how the plane would respond and after we got off the ground my wife took over and flew it for about 20 minutes.
flying a plane is easy.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 05:23:13 AM »
Bugeye, the tinfoilers will have you ignore personal experience to beable to believe these theories.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 05:46:58 AM »
Bugeye, the tinfoilers will have you ignore personal experience to beable to believe these theories.
so true.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 07:02:58 AM »
TM as I've said over and over my cousin as well as thousands of others were eye witnesses to the Pentagon strike. End of story.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 04:54:02 PM »
TM as I've said over and over my cousin as well as thousands of others were eye witnesses to the Pentagon strike. End of story.


Thought it was your uncle?  And get the names of the thousands....
Repeating gatekeeper information over and over doesn't make it any more believeable



Doesn't matter....get a video of him explaining this and post it here.  Or any of the thousands would do also...........





BugEye,

I think I stated in my last post that flying isn't that hard.  Yup, I just looked and it's still there!  My problem is that nothing was hit while the "plane" was inbound to the Pentagon....the airframe that supposedly hit the building had engines under the wings, and with the entry hole in the position it was in it, the engines would have had to have been dragging on the ground.  The wings would have mostly likely been folding trees and light poles down in the parking lot(but that didn't happen either).
And lastly, the engines, wings, tail section all got sucked into the entry hole instead of breaking off(as in what happens during standard airframe crashes)....sort of defies the laws of physics.




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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 06:00:35 PM »
Nope was always my cousin Mark, just because it doesn't fit your preconcieved conspiracy is no reason to make up a lie.
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2011, 02:42:23 AM »
If it wasn't a plane, someone would have found out just what it was by now.
like billys cousin, a lot of folks watched it go over and knew it would crash.
as far as everything being pulled into the hole, that would be normal when the wings are fragile and the walls are strong.
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2011, 02:33:50 PM »
I know all about airframes.  do you know all about the walls at the pentagon?
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 08:26:59 PM »
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And lastly, the engines, wings, tail section all got sucked into the entry hole instead of breaking off(as in what happens during standard airframe crashes)....sort of defies the laws of physics.




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We apparently already deny reality so why not just deny the laws of physics too while were at it.

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 04:06:29 AM »
I know all about airframes.  do you know all about the walls at the pentagon?


Then by all means, tell us exactly what happens when a winged airframe(with engines hanging below the wing) hits a building that has been recently re-inforced for aircraft impact.....


I see an impossible senario.....the wings split off on the airframe then get sucked inside the hole(engine and all) that the 'tube' of the airframe made and vaporize.  Oh, the tail of the airframe did the same thing.....






Billy, still waiting on that video from the cousin.......






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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 10:23:14 AM »
Actually the projectile created a wormhole on impact and sucked everything in. ::) ::)
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 11:10:49 AM »
Actually the projectile created a wormhole on impact and sucked everything in. ::) ::)
that's it ;D.  I think tm7 or somebody like him said a plane didn't crash in Penn. either.
how did the perps hide those 2 big planes and all their passengers?
this stuff keeps getting funnier.
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2011, 11:53:01 AM »
Below is a pretty good link for the Pentagon hit. Good pictures of clearly identifiable aircraft pieces parts. Explanations of the damage caused by the aircraft hitting the building with diagrams listing every structural column affected.

It will probably be scoffed at by certain people because as we all know the stuff we find on the net is never as credible as information found by others. I mean it is not as authoratative as say dailypaul.com.



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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2011, 03:00:42 AM »
Kin,

I had seen that 'information' sometime ago....and nearly everything photographer had been debunked by a few people.  So what does that say one way or the other?  I'm not sure......

Maybe Billy's cousin put the stuff there?  After all, I'm still waiting on the video.






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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2011, 04:06:29 AM »
If a video and a million eye witnesses were provided because of your preconceived bias you would call it false. Even you tried to pass off a lie to dispute my cousins eye witness account.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2011, 08:18:50 AM »
TM7, what happened to the plane and passengers who supposedly DIDN'T hit the pentagon???
Time warp maybe???
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2011, 12:52:57 PM »
TM7, what happened to the plane and passengers who supposedly DIDN'T hit the pentagon???
Time warp maybe???
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Where is Jimmy Hoffa's body?  Professional criminals are very good at getting rid of evidence.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2011, 12:54:47 PM »
snicker, snicker.   It's hard to have a conspiracy when people ask hard questions.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2011, 12:56:49 PM »
farmboy,  I could hide hoffa.  but I wouldn't know what to do with a jumbo jet full of people.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2011, 01:19:36 PM »
Bugeye you and I don't have the resources to pull that one off.  The Pentagon does.  Small part of the missing 2.3 trillion could find a way.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 03:18:50 PM »
There is no missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Just another lie to back up lies.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2011, 02:35:36 AM »
There is no missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Just another lie to back up lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo&feature=related
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2011, 02:49:14 AM »
Maybe you should stop litening to sound bite only up to the point of where it supports your agenda. Like Paul Harvey says, and now for the rest of the story. But that wouldn't fit your agenda.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2011, 03:19:26 AM »
So they planned these attacks in one day? Ok!
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2011, 03:22:00 AM »
So they planned these attacks in one day? Ok!


The 'plan' was already developed.  Have you not heard of the Northwood Project?  Cuba, Castro, wanting to invade them in the 60's?



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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2011, 01:49:15 PM »
So they planned these attacks in one day? Ok!

Nobody said that.  Reading comprehension?
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2011, 01:56:57 PM »
There is no missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Just another lie to back up lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo&feature=related

So you consider news reports sound bites?  Did you notice Donald Rumsfeld admitting 2.3 trillion missing?  So did Donald Rumsfeld lie when he said the 2.3 trillion was missing. 
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