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Plinking with the handi 44
« on: May 25, 2011, 04:57:52 PM »
I thought is was about time I posted on here as I have been reading this board for over a year now.

With what I have learned here I have had my SB2 frame fitted with a 16.25 inch 44 mag barrel (.431.5") and youth synthetic stock, with a small bag of shot and some foam to balance it some.

Anyways fun that it is at the range it is a bit loud for plinking in the yard, even though it is legal here. So i have been trying to develop a light plinking round with the added possible bonus of getting some of my lead back for the casting pot.

So the load I have cooked up is 44-240 SWC (.432.5")loaded Backwards over 2.5 gn of trail boss. As always one must check the barrel is clear if no hole appears in the target. The bullets cast from 50/50 WW/Pb, go right through a one inch pine board and deep into a solid pine post though I can get them out with pliers. They expand to about 1/2 inch. will take some pictures of the bullets at work tomorrow if it is ok to post them here.

Thanks for reading, please comment and even share your experiences of this diversion.

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 05:21:09 PM »
Welcome Steve- Our 44 mag handi is very popular with all the shooters in the house! I have not done any reduced loads for it but it is very accurate with hunting loads and I am amazed at the lack of recoil and even sound from the shot. Enjoy your gun and enjoy this site, we all wandered in for one reason or another and just enjoy coming back. Have fun,  Brent
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2011, 06:04:58 PM »
I use Trail Boss in my nephew's 44 mag. It's good powder for plinking loads or cast bullet hunting loads.
Just out of curiousity...why do you load the bullets backwards?



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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2011, 06:13:29 PM »
I load the bullet backwards because the slow rifling would never stabilise a slow bullet so loading backwards puts the centre of gravity towards the forward facing end of the bullet. It also helps the powder to fill the case about 75% when crimped into the lube grove, the original crimp grove is now the lube grove.

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2011, 06:16:15 PM »
Well, jeeze Steve, monopolize the board why don't ya. ::)  3 posts in over a year, that's bein kindof a chatterbox. ;D  I've never tryed a SWC upside down, how's the accuracy?  Why not just run em nose first?  Most tests I've put much faith in suggest that any scuffs, cuts, ect to the base have a negative effect on accuracy.  Does the SWC act like a boattail to the extream?  Not trying to be a smart A, just wanting to know.  Hope yer a little more talkative now. ;D  DP
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2011, 07:04:24 PM »
Not many posts because I am still learning. I have only been into guns (legal ones) since I came to the USA. Even legal gun owners are considered rather weird in the UK and not to be trusted in case they go crazy.

The backwards bullet thing just makes sense to me and cuts rather neat holes in the target at 25 ft. In due course I shall set up a target and bullet trap at 25 yds to see if I have reasonable accuracy. I do not expect the bullets to tumble at this distance. It just seems so right to put the fired bullets back in the lead pot for the next time I need to cast some more.

The noise is was lower than a 22lr rifle, there is no way of measuring the the velocity at the moment as my guru / loading mentor is leaving the state this week and has shipped his stuff.

Oh and I did not mention I have a critter problem with possums attacking my cat and armadillos tearing up my lawn each night.


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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2011, 07:39:26 PM »
Oh and I did not mention I have a critter problem with possums attacking my cat and armadillos tearing up my lawn each night.
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Sounds like the perfect targets for "penetration testing"
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 03:56:40 AM »
The bullet nose in backward wont act like a 'boattail' because the velo is so low, but the effectiveness of that full wadcutter is great for target or critters.
Have you tried round balls? I used to take the .440 RB for my muzzleloader and run it though the .430 size die, which gave it a bit of 'shank' and loaded over a sneeze of powder was quite accurate. I had 215 and 240ish gr. SWC too, but that RB was the ultimate plinker for me.
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2011, 06:32:47 AM »
i also use trail boss but use a 430 round ball......its probaby close to your load just eaisier to load the round ball just push it in.......it wont key holeat longer ranges........jb

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2011, 03:19:01 PM »
Thanks for the reply, I will load up some more this weekend and vary the charge to find the best accuracy. So far I am getting one inch groups at 25 yd s.

I thought about the round ball thing but do not have a mould for them just yet and I am trying to do the best I can with the bullets that I produce for my Handi and the Rossi 44 spl. That is the reason for the 50/50 wheel weight / lead mix.


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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2011, 03:56:20 PM »
Steve Gold,
I have the Shikari 44 Mag barrel factory fitted onto my H&R Topper frame.  A nice quiet plinking load for me is the .44 caliber (.433) lead balls by Speer loaded on top of 6.5gr of Red Dot with a little Alox smeared on the sides of the 120gr ball.  I flare my case mouths and just push the ball into the case using the loading bench to press fit them in the case.  Sounds about like a .22 HVRF.  Don't kid your
self however, it is deadly so be cautious and have a proper back stop.
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2011, 04:24:52 PM »
Steve,

I've loaded lots of hollow base wadcutters backward in low velocity 38's.  They are fine for close work, and are a devastating hollow point at short distances.  Long range accuracy was nil, but at 25 - 50' they will turn a 'possum inside out....!

That 44 should do the job up close, but expect wobble and tumble at distance, unless I'm mistaken.

I'd like to see an armadillo hit with this hunk o lead! ;D

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2011, 05:35:22 PM »
Hey guys my plinkin load is 23grs of H110 behind a Hornaday 240gr XTP. Not quiet but it does make a hole . Ha Ha - I really haven't tried any light loads .

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 01:32:31 PM »
As promised here is a picture, left a loaded round, center an unsized slug, and right a bullet recovered from a log. the recovered slug expanded to .540 inches.



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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2011, 12:10:15 PM »
Well, this thread got me curious.  After all, a front-weighted design is why shotgun slugs are stable.  So I tried loading some bullets backwards.  I've been shooting 200 gr RNFP Lasercast with a full load of Trailboss (7.7 grains) with fair accuracy (3" groups at 50 yards, not great but their cheap enough for plinking).  So, over the same load of TB, I loaded some frontwards and some backwards.  Shot them from my 22" Handirifle at 50 yd.  The frontwards load gave a 3" group as before.  The backwards gave me a 6-7" group :(  Guess my gun doesn't like em backwards.  The holes in the paper were very big and impressive though ;D
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 08:24:20 AM »
My barrel, which is not one of the loosely bored ones, has the 1 in 36 inch twist and keyholes with loads as stout as 10.0 grains of unique under 240 grain Rainier plated HP's. Full power loads it shoots better than I would have expected. I may try the round ball trick though.
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2011, 06:56:32 AM »
rickt,
My barral also has the typical H&R/Marlin 1:38 twist (if yours is 1:36, its actually a little faster than most, maybe that was a typo).  Mine's also a little over-bored (0.431).  I have had a devil of a time getting it to shoot light plinking loads accurately.  It will shoot Winchester 240 JSP into a 3" group at 100 yard, which is fine for deer hunting, and why I bought this rifle.  (FYI, the Winchester bullet measures .430", as do the highly regarded Hornady XTP and LE.)  Light jacketed loads are much less accurate, presumably because they don't upset into the rifling.  210 grain .431" SWCGC cast bullets from Montana bullet works (loaded over 7 gr Unique) do give me good performance (1.5" groups at 50 yards).  But those bullets are fairly expensive for everyday plinking.  The Lasercast are half the cost, but also half the accuracy (and more likely to lead the barrel).  In my gun, 200 grain .429" plated bullets perform similar to the Lasercast IF loaded heavy enough to upset into the rifling, and are more expensive.  The slow rifling in the 44 has a hard time stabilizing slow heavy bullets, and is one reason I've been thinking about switching to 357max, but I haven't done so yet. Primarily because I've been so happy with the terminal performance of the 44 on deer.  (Again, the main reason I own this gun.  And I've now got a nice 223 barrel for this rifle which is satisfying my need for accuracy.)  Anyhow, in my experience, the best route to accurate plinker loads in H&R's 44 is to use large-diameter bullets that will fill the rifling without obturating, and that are light enough to stabilize at relativlely low RPM.  The .433" round balls seemingly fit that criteria very nicely, and are probably worth a try. 
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2011, 07:00:52 AM »
A question for those using .433" round balls.  I presume those are swaged soft lead balls.  Do they lead your barrels very badly?  Or does the lube and low velocity keep that from happening?
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2011, 04:54:59 PM »
Each barrel is different unto itself but mine do not lead.  I'm assuming the smear of Alox on sides of the ball after seating and the low velocity helps.  Yes I use the Speer .433 swaged lead balls they sell.  I've never chronographed them but I'm gonna guess they're going
a 1000+ fps out of my 24" barrel.  I'm gonna chronograph them just for kicks!
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2011, 06:05:44 PM »
All of my cast and swaged lead bullets are sized to .432 and shoot great at any velocity I load to.  I use 231 and W540 for really light loads that run about 900fps, and W296 and AA2400 for full power loads.  I have four loads that shoot into 2" at 80 yards with open factory sights and 40+ year old eyes. 

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2011, 06:50:06 PM »
I don't have a 44Mag but I do shoot .433 swaged round balls in my 444M.  I shoot anywhere from 1 to 3 balls depending upon what mood strikes me at the reloading bench.   I load these to 410 shotshell velocity with H110, about 1,200 to 1,300 FPS and have shot then at ranges of 25 to 50 yards.  The 3 balls at 50 yards all hit within 2 to 3 inches of each other.  Only reason I load these is I have a stash of them leftover from by BP revolver days.  I haven't had any serious leading from shooting these swaged round balls but I don't shoot them very often and I am not shooting them very fast.

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2011, 10:40:22 PM »
Has anybody here tried the 200 grain Lyman flat nose bullet in a .44 mag Handi rifle?  I was looking to get one of these molds but I'm not sure if the 1 in 38" rifling will stabilize it...

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2011, 05:41:58 AM »
Has anybody here tried the 200 grain Lyman flat nose bullet in a .44 mag Handi rifle?  I was looking to get one of these molds but I'm not sure if the 1 in 38" rifling will stabilize it...

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They'll work fine (if they're the right diameter...IE big enough) 300gr is pretty much the stabilization boundary for the 1:38" twist 44mag, those that rechamber to 445 shoot 300gr XTPs just fine.

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2011, 12:54:51 PM »


   I load RB's in my .44 Handi with the top of the ball flush with the mouth of the case, then put 2 drops of Lee Liquid Alox lube on top of it. No problems here with 3.5 grains of Bullseye.
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2011, 05:01:03 PM »
My old Shikari 44M shot the RBs, Lyman 215GC and the 429421 'Keith' bullet just fine with about any load I tried from slow to fast (OK, those in the middle were half-fast) all but the RB cast of WWt.. It was almost too easy; very 'user friendly' and I should have kept it..........
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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2011, 01:40:00 AM »
gcrank1, mine is the same way except I still own it.  It sure is a fun gun.  Mine as I said is a switch barrel 20guage/44 magnum.  The
44 mag shikari barrel was fitted at the factory and never drilled and tapped.  It's just a hoot to shoot with either the 20guage barrel or
the 44 mag barrel.  Still use the 20 guage for squirrels.  The 44 mag barrel has been in the safe for years but I'm thinking it's time to
get it out and have some fun with the cast 429421 and 9 grains of Unique!  I got a supply of clam shells for targets too!
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Update: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2011, 04:57:36 PM »
I have revised my load for Plinking. I noticed that when I went to longer ranges I was getting some vertical stringing so have gone to 3.0 grains of trail boss, This is a little louder but I will try to reduce it some just to fine tune the load. I am guessing the final load will be 2.7 or 2.8 gn

My five gallon bucket full of sand target stop is getting very ragged, even with duct tape to stop the sand running out. I am looking forward to recovering the plinking lead in another week or so.

Even a full power load failed to exit the bucket!

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2011, 05:28:22 PM »
i have loaded the hornady 240 swaged  simi wadcutter  backwards...years ago

really smacks an armadillo.......just ran across  one in a drawer yesterday

i use bullseye  in  my catsneze    loads  now

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2011, 07:01:51 PM »
I've been experimenting with some various .44 loads, but through my 8" Raging Bull.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/reloads/51310-playing-interesting-44-loads.html

I have done a lot with the backwards bullets, and have found their accuracy to be terrible after about 25 yards. Even there, groups open to to around 5" shooting from a bipod, and go to several feet at 100 yards. This could potentially be caused by a number of factors, from the lower velocities preventing stabilization, to the "boat tail" shape precluding any expansion of the "base" into the bore for a tight seal, to inconsistencies with the base of the bullets causing unpredictable flight. In any case, I do agree they would make a good light-recoil self defense round, and make nice holes in targets at close ranges, but they don't seem to fly straight for very long.

But, I like to keep them around for super-light plinking loads!

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Re: Plinking with the handi 44
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2011, 07:14:26 PM »
"really smacks an armadillo.......just ran across  one in a drawer yesterday"
Just wondering how many people find an Armadillo in their drawers??????????/ ;D
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