Southern Strategy

[williamlayton]

strategy is the way wars are won. We have discussed a lot about the battles.
Politicizing the war, what were the goals to win for the South. What did they hope to accomplish and what were their long range plans?
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[BUGEYE]

I don't think they had any long range plans.

[subdjoe]

SLAVERY!!!

There.  That should satisfy all the northern apologists.  They will all get around to screaming that anyway.

Your questions have been answered over and over and over here.  The worshipers of St. Abe reject them with shouts of SLAVERY!  PERPETUAL UNION!  and RAPE WAS JUSTIFIED AS TOOL TO DEFEAT THE SOUTH! 

Why don't you just expound on it from your pedestal, since you reject anything that hints that St. Abe might have been wrong and that any state had the legal right to leave the Union?

[williamlayton]

Well, Joe that is not the subject.
The subject is tactics and changes in the method of warfare and long range goals.
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[mcwoodduck]

I really don't think the South had a plan to win.
Lee squandered many advantages he had in winning the war.
I think after every battle the South was suprised that the North did not give in and allow them to be a nation.
It was more of a plan not to be defeated in the field and loose the war.
Had some of the advantages been exploited early in the war and Lee invaded the North or threateded DC, Del, NJ, NY, Eastern PA, or other parts of New England the population that was willing to send sons, husbands, brothers and fathers to the battlefields in the South would not be willing to have those battle fields in the North.
William, are you planning on warming up the way back machine with Mr Peabody 150 years and changing our history?

[subdjoe]

The goal was for the seven states of the deep south to be allowed to peacefully withdraw from a voluntary union.  Period.

The strategy was for the state legislatures of those states to revoke the original legislation that joined those states to the Union.  All nice and simple and allowed by the Constitution. 

[Brewster]

So much for traitors.

[williamlayton]

I understand what ya'll have been told but it doesn't stack up with the facts.
The South wanted to expand. That was going to eventually create a conflict with the Union.
Since the South wanted to expand it, surely, should have realized it was going to come to war.
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[us920669]

There was a theory that a lot of interest revolved around California statehood - would it be admitted as slave or free, who would get the gold and perhaps the biggest, where would the railroad run.

[williamlayton]

The Rails. That is a good topic if you want to post it.
There was a lot of interest in all the lands between the Mississippi and the pacific---even Mexico.
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[Ga.windbreak]

strategy is the way wars are won. We have discussed a lot about the battles.
Politicizing the war, what were the goals to win for the South. What did they hope to accomplish and what were their long range plans?
Blessings

I understand what ya'll have been told but it doesn't stack up with the facts.
The South wanted to expand. That was going to eventually create a conflict with the Union.
Since the South wanted to expand it, surely, should have realized it was going to come to war.
Blessings

Serous question. You start a debate by posing a question, which BTW was pretty good, then you ruin it by telling us we don't know anything while you know it all. My question is why are you even asking?

[subdjoe]

Serous question. You start a debate by posing a question, which BTW was pretty good, then you ruin it by telling us we don't know anything while you know it all. My question is why are you even asking?

So that he has yet another platform from which to point a finger south and yell "SLAVERY!"  Did you really need to ask?

[Ga.windbreak]

Serous question. You start a debate by posing a question, which BTW was pretty good, then you ruin it by telling us we don't know anything while you know it all. My question is why are you even asking?

So that he has yet another platform from which to point a finger south and yell "SLAVERY!"  Did you really need to ask?

 

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[williamlayton]

GW
What is your point. People are saying what they have been told and are either ignoring facts or do not know them.
The facts are pretty simple---the South, well those in the slave business in the South wanted to expand this business. That is a fact--see NC's reasoning for leaving.
It was not until the turn of the century that the Southern apologist selected the the North and fiscal constraints to blame the war on--ignoring the facts.
The tariff concerns were settled by the 1830's.
The devil repeats a lie until it is believed--so do those who have only one agenda.
Whta were the Souths plans to win the war. What were they thinking? Why did they do what they did without a plan?
No one from the Southern point of view has said anything about Canada to this point.
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[us920669]

I almost made another stab at it a while back.  Briefly, Davis & Co were aware of their limitations and knew that European recognition was key.  Therefore, Lee was instructed to keep the Yankees out of Richmond until England came to the rescue, motivated by the lure of King Cotton.  This would account for Lee's apparent philosophy of bold and audacious caution.  The dream went a-glimmering with the loss of the crop in New Orleans, and Davis became simply delusional, believing as late as '65 that fleeing into the North Carolina wilderness somehow made him the equivalent of Washington at Valley Forge.

My Civil War period peaked many years ago and I have probably forgotten more than I ever knew.  I don't recall Canada figuring much except as a listening post for intelligence and the staging area for the raid on St Albans Vt, which I think did the south no good at all.  I found Morgan's raid into Ohio more exciting, and I am definitely bitten by the bug of Sibley and his California expedition.

[williamlayton]

St Albans is a good eample--thanks for the reminder. Canada, while susposidly neutral was followings Parliments orders in turning a blind ey to what the South was doing in Canada.
Canada promply released those that were responsible for St Albans and gave them the money they stole from the bank there.
But, GB had no desires for anything in the US---hogwash.
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