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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2011, 04:50:34 PM »
A couple of thoughts:

1) I thought you were a big supporter of "The War on Drugs".  Where do you think these Fourth Amendment questions arise from?  I'm really quite surprised to see you on the side of a guy convicted of dealing drugs.  Didn't you advocate for shooting them?

2) I'm going to assume you read the opinion.  Can you please find a better source for your legal news?  That article is both wrong, and ridiculously agenda driven.  I don't like the ruling, but I also don't like propaganda.  Although I guess I prefer propaganda that can easily be identified due to it's poor quality?

3) The reason this is an 8-1 opinion is because it is not a departure from long standing rulings on the subject.

A great resource for those who want to follow the SCOTUS:
http://www.scotusblog.com/

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2011, 05:29:43 PM »
duk. It sets a dangerous precedent. Anybody with a grudge could lie abput you, me, or anybody else. How can you say I support drug addicts?? Ridiculous. The fbi got a warrant in ILL to search my cousins house, he complied. His daughters x boy friend thought it would be funny to make up bogus charges. At least they had a warrant. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2011, 06:47:02 AM »
1) I thought you were a big supporter of "The War on Drugs".

I don't understand what this has to do with supporting the fourth amendment! No ones rights should be infringed up on. Catch him by the rules or let him go! I am not worried about this dope dealer, but I am worried about my rights. In order for me to have my rights , everyone else has to have theirs!

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2011, 07:23:40 AM »
1) I thought you were a big supporter of "The War on Drugs".

I don't understand what this has to do with supporting the fourth amendment! No ones rights should be infringed up on. Catch him by the rules or let him go! I am not worried about this dope dealer, but I am worried about my rights. In order for me to have my rights , everyone else has to have theirs!
It's as if you stopped reading after the first sentence.  The second one goes, "Where do you think these Fourth Amendment questions arise from?"

The answer is obvious.  The police love the "War on Drugs" because it is a perfect cover for them to do whatever they want.  Wanna shake down a crackhead?  Claim you saw him drop a baggie.  Wanna kick in a door?  Claim you hear shuffling inside.  Wanna make up evidence?  Who's the judge or jury going to believe?

All three of us agree with respect to the Fourth Amendment, but I don't think you two understand the pressure this "war" (on substances you put in your own body) is putting on individual rights.  The government has no business telling you, me, or anyone else what they should do with their own bodies.

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2011, 07:33:20 AM »
As far as the drug thing goes, I would make it ALL legal. But there would be no government paid rehab or medical treatment For the users. They want to kill themselves go for it. I could care less!

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2011, 08:18:39 AM »
+1 dukkllr  The whole WoD has done much to erode our rights.   >:(

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2011, 08:20:38 AM »
+1 dukkllr  The whole WoD has done much to erode our rights.   >:(

+2 , face it if nothing else it was used to enlarge govt. and control .
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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2011, 08:34:40 AM »
these same rulings  WILL  aid them when they round up guns in the future

i  know of a situation....
jealous x-boyfriend   makes up drug lei about girl...after he threatens  her

new boy friend  thinks  its the old boyfriend coming through the door
so  he  shoots   cop in the  chest  with a shotgun
cop   in vest  is  ok
she  is dead
man  looses  his arm
x-boyfreind is charged with false reporting

good thing ore government is saving us from those bad drug dealers
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2011, 08:41:53 AM »
The article said they don't even have to knock.
I do my best to obey the laws that are Constitutionally correct, so i don't see them ever having a reason to kick in my door. If they knock I'll answer the door and deal with them straight up. But if they kick in my door some folks are going to have a really bad day.
I think we should end the war on drugs and make sure that the idiots that want to use the garbage get plenty of it. And have no public assistance for the damage they cause to them selves.  Natural selection will take care of the problem in short order.

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 08:58:38 AM »
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The government has no business telling you, me, or anyone else what they should do with their own bodies.


duk. I reckon you've never heard of crack babies?? How about murders to get more drug money?? Happens all the time. Illegal drugs affect everybody, not just the dopes that are using them. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 09:03:33 AM »
freedom  isn't free


last  i heard  murder for any reason is illegal

while cops are kicking doors of drug dealers
muders  and drunk drivers are out there
as far as  crack  babies........i hope the don't grow up...for the most part
i have a family member has adopted  a crack baby
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 09:25:30 AM »
45-70 GOV. How is the baby?? I don't know the prognosis on them. Do they ever get to be normal or is the damage permanent?? POWDERMAN.  :( :(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 09:36:25 AM »
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The government has no business telling you, me, or anyone else what they should do with their own bodies.


duk. I reckon you've never heard of crack babies?? How about murders to get more drug money?? Happens all the time. Illegal drugs affect everybody, not just the dopes that are using them. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
This is such a tired argument.  Murder is illegal.  Providing drugs or alcohol to those underage is illegal.  Stealing to buy drugs is illegal.  No one here is advocating that we make those things legal.  But a person who smokes a joint on Friday night with his friend may not do any of those things, just like a guy who has a beer doesn't necessarily get drunk and drive.  Separate crimes that hurt others from decisions that effect only yourself.  One is a crime, one is freedom.

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 12:13:24 PM »
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But a person who smokes a joint on Friday night with his friend may not do any of those things, just like a guy who has a beer doesn't necessarily get drunk and drive. 


Now thats a statement I can definitely agree with. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2011, 02:00:52 PM »
Hypothetical....... If you overheard a neighbor you trusted informing a third party about the guns you had, then two days later you were burglarized and your guns stolen, would you not want the detective to follow up in reference to what you heard? I would think any reasonable person would DEMAND police action. Or follow up on a "street name" of a person that sold your kid dope the night she overdosed.... Does that not deserve a warrant? Just playing advocate, here. Two sides to this coin. When warrant actions benefit you, your property, or your family how do you feel about it?

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2011, 02:06:30 PM »
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The government has no business telling you, me, or anyone else what they should do with their own bodies.


duk. I reckon you've never heard of crack babies?? How about murders to get more drug money?? Happens all the time. Illegal drugs affect everybody, not just the dopes that are using them. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
This is such a tired argument.  Murder is illegal.  Providing drugs or alcohol to those underage is illegal.  Stealing to buy drugs is illegal.  No one here is advocating that we make those things legal.  But a person who smokes a joint on Friday night with his friend may not do any of those things, just like a guy who has a beer doesn't necessarily get drunk and drive.  Separate crimes that hurt others from decisions that effect only yourself.  One is a crime, one is freedom.




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Few people are aware that before World War I, a 9-year-old girl could walk into a drug store and buy heroin.

That's right – heroin. She didn't need a doctor's prescription or a note from her parents. She could buy it right off the shelf. Bayer and other large drug companies sold heroin as a pain-reliever and sedative in measured doses – just the way aspirin is sold today. Cocaine, opium, and marijuana were readily available as well. No Drug Enforcement Agency, no undercover cops, no "Parents – the Anti-Drug" commercials. Just people going about their own business is whatever way they chose.

Seeing today's never-ending crisis of teenagers using drugs, you can imagine how bad it must have been when there were no laws to stop children – or adults – from using drugs. But, in fact, there was no drug crisis at all. A few people were addicted to heroin or cocaine, just as a few people today are addicted to sleeping pills or Big Macs, but there was no national uproar about it. Such people, if they wanted to break their habits, could freely consult doctors without fear of being sent to prison.

There were no black-market drug dealers preying on school children. There were no gang wars over drug profits, because there were no drug gangs. After all, who would buy dangerous drugs from a gangster at outrageous prices when he could buy safe drugs made by a reputable drug company at modest prices?

Americans got a taste of what a Drug War might be like when they endorsed the 18th Amendment invoking alcohol Prohibition in 1919. The result was gang warfare, people dying from drinking bathtub gin, corruption in police departments, and non-violent citizens sent to prison for indulging in a vice that was strictly personal. Most Americans rejoiced when Prohibition was repealed in 1933. The chances of them supporting another such Constitutional amendment within the next 50 years were slim to none.

So the federal government didn't dare try amending the Constitution when politicians and bureaucrats decided to reinstate all the trappings of Prohibition in a new Drug War. This War That Will Never End was begun in stages – probably starting with the rarely-enforced Harrison Act of 1914. In my recollection, the Drug War as we know it today began during the 1960s, moved into second and third gears during the Nixon administration of 1969–1974, and shifted into overdrive during the Reagan administration of 1981–1989.

The Drug War has been easily the greatest cause of violent crime in American history: Gangs fighting over monopoly territories, children killed in drive-by shootings, families in the inner city living with the constant sound of gunfire outside their doors, police killing innocent people in misguided drug raids, crooked cops helping to spread poisonous drugs, non-violent citizens sent to prison to be terrorized by violent prisoners – none of which would exist in the absence of the federal drug laws.

There is nothing that could make our cities safer than repealing the drug laws – all of them.

Does the idea of heroin, cocaine, and opium being sold over the counter sound too ludicrous to be true? You can check it out for yourself. A marvelous website, maintained by the University of Buffalo's Addiction Research Unit, shows the actual labels and ads from patent medicines of the 19th and early-20th centuries. You can see the claims made, the ingredients used, and the acceptance of what so many Americans fear today.

That era of innocence didn't end because America was threatened by a drug crisis. It was ended in the traditional way – by politicians looking for new worlds to conquer, politicians who have no interest in examining dispassionately the chaos they cause, and who will never face a single personal consequence for the lives they have ruined.
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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2011, 03:53:14 PM »
Hypothetical....... If you overheard a neighbor you trusted informing a third party about the guns you had, then two days later you were burglarized and your guns stolen, would you not want the detective to follow up in reference to what you heard? I would think any reasonable person would DEMAND police action. Or follow up on a "street name" of a person that sold your kid dope the night she overdosed.... Does that not deserve a warrant? Just playing advocate, here. Two sides to this coin. When warrant actions benefit you, your property, or your family how do you feel about it?

I want them to have to get a proper warrant in every case no matter the situation.
I'm not willing to yield liberty or rights just because it might benefit me.
It seems to me that if police departments would get some officers that know how to do honest police work, they wouldn't need perform communist style search and seizure.  Instead they hire bottom of the food chain morons who couldn't find their butts with both hands or a criminal if he left a forwarding address. They need to do good police work and obtain a proper warrant then do the arrest by the book. That way the punk who stole your guns or sold your daughter poison dosen't walk because of some moron with a badge stepping on his rights.

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Re: Police to decide whether a warrant is needed.
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2011, 04:58:22 PM »
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The government has no business telling you, me, or anyone else what they should do with their own bodies.


duk. I reckon you've never heard of crack babies?? How about murders to get more drug money?? Happens all the time. Illegal drugs affect everybody, not just the dopes that are using them. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
This is such a tired argument.  Murder is illegal.  Providing drugs or alcohol to those underage is illegal.  Stealing to buy drugs is illegal.  No one here is advocating that we make those things legal.  But a person who smokes a joint on Friday night with his friend may not do any of those things, just like a guy who has a beer doesn't necessarily get drunk and drive.  Separate crimes that hurt others from decisions that effect only yourself.  One is a crime, one is freedom.




+1

Harry Browne |

Few people are aware that before World War I, a 9-year-old girl could walk into a drug store and buy heroin.

That's right – heroin. She didn't need a doctor's prescription or a note from her parents. She could buy it right off the shelf. Bayer and other large drug companies sold heroin as a pain-reliever and sedative in measured doses – just the way aspirin is sold today. Cocaine, opium, and marijuana were readily available as well. No Drug Enforcement Agency, no undercover cops, no "Parents – the Anti-Drug" commercials. Just people going about their own business is whatever way they chose.

Seeing today's never-ending crisis of teenagers using drugs, you can imagine how bad it must have been when there were no laws to stop children – or adults – from using drugs. But, in fact, there was no drug crisis at all. A few people were addicted to heroin or cocaine, just as a few people today are addicted to sleeping pills or Big Macs, but there was no national uproar about it. Such people, if they wanted to break their habits, could freely consult doctors without fear of being sent to prison.

There were no black-market drug dealers preying on school children. There were no gang wars over drug profits, because there were no drug gangs. After all, who would buy dangerous drugs from a gangster at outrageous prices when he could buy safe drugs made by a reputable drug company at modest prices?

Americans got a taste of what a Drug War might be like when they endorsed the 18th Amendment invoking alcohol Prohibition in 1919. The result was gang warfare, people dying from drinking bathtub gin, corruption in police departments, and non-violent citizens sent to prison for indulging in a vice that was strictly personal. Most Americans rejoiced when Prohibition was repealed in 1933. The chances of them supporting another such Constitutional amendment within the next 50 years were slim to none.

So the federal government didn't dare try amending the Constitution when politicians and bureaucrats decided to reinstate all the trappings of Prohibition in a new Drug War. This War That Will Never End was begun in stages – probably starting with the rarely-enforced Harrison Act of 1914. In my recollection, the Drug War as we know it today began during the 1960s, moved into second and third gears during the Nixon administration of 1969–1974, and shifted into overdrive during the Reagan administration of 1981–1989.

The Drug War has been easily the greatest cause of violent crime in American history: Gangs fighting over monopoly territories, children killed in drive-by shootings, families in the inner city living with the constant sound of gunfire outside their doors, police killing innocent people in misguided drug raids, crooked cops helping to spread poisonous drugs, non-violent citizens sent to prison to be terrorized by violent prisoners – none of which would exist in the absence of the federal drug laws.

There is nothing that could make our cities safer than repealing the drug laws – all of them.

Does the idea of heroin, cocaine, and opium being sold over the counter sound too ludicrous to be true? You can check it out for yourself. A marvelous website, maintained by the University of Buffalo's Addiction Research Unit, shows the actual labels and ads from patent medicines of the 19th and early-20th centuries. You can see the claims made, the ingredients used, and the acceptance of what so many Americans fear today.

That era of innocence didn't end because America was threatened by a drug crisis. It was ended in the traditional way – by politicians looking for new worlds to conquer, politicians who have no interest in examining dispassionately the chaos they cause, and who will never face a single personal consequence for the lives they have ruined.

this is the best  i have seen  MY  point  made
just read it again........i can't improve it
all  i can  add is  there was  no safety net [welfare]  for the drug users back then
they  just died...
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.