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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2011, 10:21:36 AM »
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Socialist agenda? Really? When was the last time you were in a public school? After 22 years of teaching in three different public schools, I have yet to meet a communist or hear of any communist agenda.


Really?  Maybe you need to do a little reading.

http://emergingcorruption.com/2011/04/socialist-teachers-discuss-indoctrinating-public-schoolchildren/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-hosts-peaceful-interview-with-socialist-revolutionary-high-school-teacher/

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/index.ssf?/base/news-1/126672873013570.xml&coll=3

http://usactionnews.com/2010/08/teachers-union-promotes-alinsky-radicals-guide-to-revolution/

http://thepartyofknow.com/2011/04/21/union-teachers-explain-how-to-push-marxism-in-the-classroom/

http://www.conservativenc.com/index.php/conservativenc-voices/tags/Indoctrination/

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/singing-school-children-publicly-exploited-on-cnn-to-promote-barack-obamas-socialist-health-care-plan
I'm surprised to heard about this. I'm not denying the validity; but I have many friends in education and as far as I know, it's not happening in my area. I just wonder how wide spread it actually is ? When I first began to teach, we all had to take a loyalty oath. It stated we could not promote communism in the public schools.

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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2011, 11:05:35 AM »
sAID BY ONE AND REPEATED BY OTRHERS;

  "There has obviously been some brainwashing going on here, but I've yet to see a public school kid subject to it.'
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         Now, there's a REAL joke.. How about..

A) The "gay" agenda being pushed in schools as "an alternative lifestyle" !

B) The entire "global warming" agenda..remember it is NOT proven !

C) The opinionated "theory of evolution" as being the only THEORY taught !

D) A friend told me that his 4th grade child was expected to observe "Earth Spirit" day, whatever that is.  Perhaps those kind of "Greenie spirit" games are not being played in your schools, but they are around here.
 
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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2011, 11:09:35 AM »
We need more dedicated individual with thoughts such as these to educate our children.

What a great message!

High School principal

We watched Dennis Prager of Colorado , along with Sara Palin and Tom Brokaw on TV a couple of weeks ago....what a dynamic, down to earth speaker. Even though Palin and Brokaw were also guest speakers they did little but nod and agree with him. This is the guy that should be running for President in 2012!

A Speech Every American High School Principal Should Give.... By Dennis Prager.

To the students and faculty of our high school:

I am your new principal, and honored to be so. There is no greater calling than to teach young people. I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our
school. I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in America have worked against you, against your teachers and against our country.

First, this school will no longer honor race or ethnicity. I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow or white. I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave ships. The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity -- your character, your scholarship, your humanity. And the only national identity this school
will care about is American.

This is an American public school, and American public schools were created to make better Americans. If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial or religious identity through school, you will have to go elsewhere. We will end all ethnicity, race and non-American nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto of America , one of its three central values -- e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." And this school will be guided by America 's values. This includes all
after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities. This includes race, language, religion, sexual orientation or whatever else may become in vogue in a society divided by political correctness.

Your clubs will be based on interests and passions, not blood, ethnic, racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate narcissism -- an unhealthy preoccupation with the self -- while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, carpentry and more.

If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic, racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you.

Second, I am uninterested in whether English is your native language. My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has united America 's citizens for over 200 years, and it will  unite us at this school. It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this school without excellent English language skills, I would be
remiss in my duty to ensure that you will be prepared to successfully compete in the American job market. We will learn other languages here-- it is deplorable that most Americans only speak English --but if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not your school.

Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor, everything in this school will reflect learning's elevated status. This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in our society dress more formally for Hollywood events than for church or school. These people have their priorities backward. Therefore, there will be a formal dress code at this school.

Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school's property -- whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can't speak without using the f-word, you can't speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission, plus0epithets such as "N-----," even when used by one black student to address another black, or "b----," even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few
your age to instinctively distinguish between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene.

Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way -- the way people attained it until decided otherwise a generation ago -- by earning it. One immediate consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight.

Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as only or primarily a health issue. There will be no more attempts to convince you
that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not Christian. We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and does not consider him or herself inordinately lucky -- to be alive and to be an American.

Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of our country. As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you.




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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2011, 11:10:34 AM »
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When I first began to teach, we all had to take a loyalty oath. It stated we could not promote communism in the public schools.


 Problem is no one will enforce it.  Look at Obama.  He took an oath to uphold the Constitution. 
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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2011, 11:15:57 AM »
  Here's an example of "fairness" in the public school;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM45kYAKyCU&feature=grec_index 
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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2011, 11:16:49 AM »
Rockbilly, now that is my kind of principal. 
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« Reply #67 on: June 05, 2011, 11:40:55 AM »
  While this particular brainwashing wasn't done by a school but by pinhead parents, their technique is the same as is being used in some schools.  Note the similarity to the brainwashing of the Hitler Youth of pre-WW2 days...shown in the last minute of this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM&feature=related


  Finally; one for the serious "sippers";
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-TkzGFe4s&feature=related
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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #68 on: June 05, 2011, 02:01:42 PM »
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Socialist agenda? Really? When was the last time you were in a public school? After 22 years of teaching in three different public schools, I have yet to meet a communist or hear of any communist agenda.


Really?  Maybe you need to do a little reading.

http://emergingcorruption.com/2011/04/socialist-teachers-discuss-indoctrinating-public-schoolchildren/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-hosts-peaceful-interview-with-socialist-revolutionary-high-school-teacher/

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/index.ssf?/base/news-1/126672873013570.xml&coll=3

http://usactionnews.com/2010/08/teachers-union-promotes-alinsky-radicals-guide-to-revolution/

http://thepartyofknow.com/2011/04/21/union-teachers-explain-how-to-push-marxism-in-the-classroom/

http://www.conservativenc.com/index.php/conservativenc-voices/tags/Indoctrination/

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/singing-school-children-publicly-exploited-on-cnn-to-promote-barack-obamas-socialist-health-care-plan

The first link you posted scares me. However, I stand by my comment. I have yet to experience any educator in any of the schools (one in Nevada and two in Wyoming) at which I have taught that supports communism in any way. Most of the rest of the links you posted are obviously (in my opinion) biased and therefore I have a hard time taking them seriously. The last link concerns me as well.  I tried to play the video, but it had been removed from youtube. The teacher in Arizona, although privately agreeing with socialism (which is his constitutional right), made it clear he does not teach that in his classroom.

I guess I have a problem with people making negative blanket statements about public education based on the actions of a few individuals. That would be ludicrous...analogous to me saying that all law enforcement officers are on the take based on the actions of a very few bad apples.

Here is a link to my district's website on which the 6th grade educational standards for which I am responsible can be found.

http://fcsd1.com/education/components/docmgr/default.php?sectiondetailid=4453&catfilter=ALL#showDoc

Yes, I am held accountable for teaching them. Spend a few minutes (or hours) scouring them for any indication of communist tendencies and let me know if you find any.

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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #69 on: June 05, 2011, 02:14:39 PM »
Gomerdog, I don't need to review teaching plans to tell you what I have observed.  After twelve years of primary education, four years of college and three years of law school, I can tell you that socialist leanings and liberal bias is VERY clear in the presentations of many teachers, and at all levels.  They don't need to teach socialist courses in order to indoctrinate their pupils with socialist messages.
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« Reply #70 on: June 05, 2011, 03:23:16 PM »
Gomerdog, I don't need to review teaching plans to tell you what I have observed.  After twelve years of primary education, four years of college and three years of law school, I can tell you that socialist leanings and liberal bias is VERY clear in the presentations of many teachers, and at all levels.  They don't need to teach socialist courses in order to indoctrinate their pupils with socialist messages.

Okay...so I thought maybe I would provide the definition of socialism: "a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles." Are you saying that you have extensive experience with teachers professing this? Or maybe, just maybe...they have different political views than your own, and so you label them as socialists.
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« Reply #71 on: June 05, 2011, 03:50:38 PM »
Gomerdog, I don't need to review teaching plans to tell you what I have observed.  After twelve years of primary education, four years of college and three years of law school, I can tell you that socialist leanings and liberal bias is VERY clear in the presentations of many teachers, and at all levels.  They don't need to teach socialist courses in order to indoctrinate their pupils with socialist messages.
Now I'm curious. I don't remember any in my education. Can you give me several examples ?

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« Reply #72 on: June 05, 2011, 04:15:16 PM »
Here is another myth, teachers care about our children, BS the socialists just want to brain wash children to promote their communist agenda.

Socialist agenda? Really? When was the last time you were in a public school? After 22 years of teaching in three different public schools, I have yet to meet a communist or hear of any communist agenda.

There has obviously been some brainwashing going on here, but I've yet to see a public school kid subject to it.  ???

I would guess that the promoters of the socialist/communist agenda would would comprehend that they are purveyors of that evil agenda.

Purveyor? Better look that one up too. Purveryor...purveyor...oh, here it is: "(noun) a supplier, seller, or circulator of something, especially something that is disapproved or ridiculed." So I am a supplier of evil?  Hundreds of students have been subject to my evil? Let's see... now I'm looking through my educational standards trying to find the evil. Maybe this is it: MA.6.4 Algebra: Students use algebraic methods to investigate, model, and interpret patterns and functions involving numbers, shapes, data, and graphs in a problem-solving situation. Well, some of my students might just agree with you as they really detest algebra. Maybe it's those story elements of literature that I try to have my students identify. Gotta be some evil in those. Maybe it's when I teach them how to revise and edit their writing that subjects them to my ways of the devil.  ;)
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Re: 5 Myths About American Schools
« Reply #73 on: June 05, 2011, 04:39:05 PM »
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Unions defend bad teachers.
True

Do unions defend bad welders?  Or truck drivers? NO.  They keep management from trying to cheat them out of a living wage, and bringing home a lifestyle to their families in terms of having an income to pay for what is needed.

Cut the budget, break the unions and offer no security for teachers.....schools are going to be better??  HUH?? :o

The whole issue of Socialist agendas and "alternative lifestyles" currently in our schools,  is way too much for me to talk about. But the kids in our school that wanted equal time, and tried to sponsor a straight lifestyle day, got their chops busted.
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« Reply #74 on: June 05, 2011, 04:45:45 PM »
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Okay...so I thought maybe I would provide the definition of socialism: "a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles." Are you saying that you have extensive experience with teachers professing this? Or maybe, just maybe...they have different political views than your own, and so you label them as socialists.

Well, first of all gomerdog, I'm not sure where you came up with your definition of socialism (I detest definitions that use subjective terms like "fairness"), so can we start with this one from Merriam Websters?

Definition of SOCIALISM
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

If we can agree thus far, then let me address your response, as it applies to my post.  First of all, I did not state that I had teachers who were instructing me in the installation or intricacies of a socialist system, as you seem to imply.  What I said was:

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I can tell you that socialist leanings and liberal bias is VERY clear in the presentations of many teachers, and at all levels.

Now, I see that you teach mathematics and literature.  As I recall, I did not see much in the way of the foregoing leanings from my instructors of those subjects.  However, I am guessing that the schools you have taught at did have classes in history, social studies, current events, etc.  In the teaching of those subjects, I most definitely had instructors who clearly showed their "socialist leanings and liberal bias" in arguing for such things as socialized medicine, so-called "living wages", strong unions, "comparative pay", progressive income taxation, etc.  All this, while rolling their eyes at concepts of free market, and taking pot shots at "evil corporations" and "accumulated wealth".  So, if you care to argue about that, let's have at it.
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« Reply #75 on: June 05, 2011, 04:53:41 PM »
Gomerdog, I don't need to review teaching plans to tell you what I have observed.  After twelve years of primary education, four years of college and three years of law school, I can tell you that socialist leanings and liberal bias is VERY clear in the presentations of many teachers, and at all levels.  They don't need to teach socialist courses in order to indoctrinate their pupils with socialist messages.
That adds up to 19 years of education. If nothing else, it proves that Obama didn't start it as many here say he did. 19 years covers several presidents, both republican and democrat.

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« Reply #76 on: June 05, 2011, 04:57:26 PM »
Gomerdog, I don't need to review teaching plans to tell you what I have observed.  After twelve years of primary education, four years of college and three years of law school, I can tell you that socialist leanings and liberal bias is VERY clear in the presentations of many teachers, and at all levels.  They don't need to teach socialist courses in order to indoctrinate their pupils with socialist messages.
That adds up to 19 years of education. If nothing else, it proves that Obama didn't start it as many here say he did. 19 years covers several presidents, both republican and democrat.

The election of a parasitic socialist like BO is the culmination of the socialist agenda being poured into the heads of our children for decades.
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« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2011, 05:22:40 PM »
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That adds up to 19 years of education. If nothing else, it proves that Obama didn't start it as many here say he did. 19 years covers several presidents, both republican and democrat.

Nice dodge and weave.  But, I don't recall anyone saying Obama started it.  The discussion was about teachers, not Presidents.
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« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2011, 05:25:24 PM »
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Now I'm curious. I don't remember any in my education. Can you give me several examples ?

XD, did I satisfy your curiosity?
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« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2011, 02:33:21 AM »
I guess since I was a science major, I missed most of the so called socialist slant in education. My reference to Obama was not a dodge and weave. Just a retorically comic  statement because some here think it only started with Obama. More reading into a question for things that weren't there. But than again that is the problem with conversing in this manner. The tones in which things are " said" are in the mind of the reader.

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« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2011, 03:15:19 AM »
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Now I'm curious. I don't remember any in my education. Can you give me several examples ?

XD, did I satisfy your curiosity?

the following did- and thank you----
Now, I see that you teach mathematics and literature.  As I recall, I did not see much in the way of the foregoing leanings from my instructors of those subjects.  However, I am guessing that the schools you have taught at did have classes in history, social studies, current events, etc.  In the teaching of those subjects, I most definitely had instructors who clearly showed their "socialist leanings and liberal bias" in arguing for such things as socialized medicine, so-called "living wages", strong unions, "comparative pay", progressive income taxation, etc.  All this, while rolling their eyes at concepts of free market, and taking pot shots at "evil corporations" and "accumulated wealth".  So, if you care to argue about that, let's have at it.

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« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2011, 07:52:30 PM »
Been out of town for a few days...visiting my daughter at the University of Wyoming and passing through Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado. Still a ton of snow in the mountains...flooding in all the river valleys north from Granby, CO to where I live in Wyoming.

In the teaching of those subjects, I most definitely had instructors who clearly showed their "socialist leanings and liberal bias" in arguing for such things as socialized medicine, so-called "living wages", strong unions, "comparative pay", progressive income taxation, etc.  All this, while rolling their eyes at concepts of free market, and taking pot shots at "evil corporations" and "accumulated wealth".  So, if you care to argue about that, let's have at it.

Casull: My issue in this "discussion" is not with corporations or accumulating wealth, so I see no point in bringing up those issues. Those mineral extraction corporations that are accumulating wealth from beneath Wyoming's surface pay for a good portion of my salary. For the record, I have been a registered Republican since the age of 21, but like most people from Wyoming (possibly the most conservative state in the US, based on the percentage of Republicans in our legislature), I don't let any group or individual dictate how I vote. I pretty much think for myself.

The issue I have had during this whole thread has been with those that bad-mouth all teachers (labeling all educators as socials/communists) based on their experience with just a few teachers, and continuing this argument would seem a waste of time at this point. You seem firmly entrenched in your beliefs, as am I. Nothing I have experienced as a student or a teacher allows me to change that perception. Regardless of profession, people will bring their personal feelings or opinions into their jobs. Those feeling or opinions may surface during the course of school year. To say that the teacher is "indoctrinating" students into believing in socialism is insulting the abilities of students to think for themselves and is belittling the influence parents have on their children.

In any event, this will be my last reply, so flame on if you wish.

To all: Become involved in your community's schools. Volunteer if you can; offer to bring whatever experience you have into the classroom so that students can better make the connection between what they are doing in the classroom and what they may be doing when they enter the workforce.

If you are a parent, don't what until you register your children for Kindergarten to think about their education. Read to your children from the time they are taken home from the hospital. Teach them the alphabet and make sure they can write their name before they go to Kindergarten. Teach them colors and how to count objects before they go to Kindergarten. Show them you value education by doing your own reading or by taking a continuing education class. Volunteer to be a chaperone on field trips. Go to open houses and Parent/Teacher conferences. Ask your child's teacher what you can do to help your child succeed. Make sure you ask about homework each night and make sure it is completed. Do not accept any less of your children than their best.
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