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Question for home schoolers .
« on: June 04, 2011, 01:23:10 PM »
I am curious about something pertaining to home schooled children. I was wonder how parents handle the courses as they get more difficult? I'm thinking about courses such as chemistry, physics, biology, calculus, trig, creative writing, English lit, English composition etc. Trust me this is no trick question and does not imply the parents of these children aren't intelligent. It's seem to me most parents wouldn't be very good at ALL the required subjects for a high school diploma. I know I'm not. Please keep the usual blame and shame out of this discussion. It's not about politics or which system is better. I just would like to know.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2011, 03:03:41 PM »
One home schooled kid I know has an IQ so high that it cannot be measured. He does not need teachers, just books. He will be one of those that graduates college when he is 15. Obviously, schools could not do anything for him.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2011, 04:06:53 PM »
If done properly homeschooling teaches self-learning.  When a child advances in age and difficulty of subject matter he should already have developed a good ability to bring the material together.  That is the beauty of homeschooling, not that all end up with that outcome. 

A tremendous benefit for the modern homeschooling family is the breadth and depth of material available.  We benefit from the efforts of those who were pioneers in the 70's and 80's.  The amount of curricula available is pretty staggering.  This gives the parent the ability to shift gears mid year by changing or adding an approach to fit learning style and need of a particular child.  In addition to DVD tutorials many homeschooling families are members of coops where some parent with a particular expertise in knowledge might give additional teaching on a particular subject. 

I'm sure that there are more angles to answer your question from but those are a couple the come to mind right off the bat.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2011, 07:06:22 PM »
 My Son attends a homeschool academy where at least one parent of an enrolled child is required to teach (or assist in) classes. We're fortunate to have quite a few folks who are qualified to teach a variety of subjects based on their education and experience. When there's a gap, we pay teachers/tutors to come in. Our local community college also has prep courses available for high school age kids.

 I have to say though, it's not for everyone. After being involved with homeschooling for eight years now I've seen a few kids who would be better off if their particular parents put them in some sort of 'regular' school. Not every parent has (or can take the time to learn) what it takes to teach their kids well.
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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 04:46:57 AM »
Surely by now there must be a plethora of computer programs to do the trick.  If not, why not?  This machine is the ultimate multimedia device and if done right, it shouldn't be burdened with the limitations of any single, live teacher.
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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2011, 04:57:53 AM »
our laws were changed recently to require at least 1 parent to have a degree.
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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2011, 09:04:23 AM »
The oldest home-schooler I have is eight years old, so that is a question I have often asked myself.  I have a college education, but would never attempt to teach higher levels of Math or Science on my own.  The beauty of homeschooling is that my kids aren't limited to myself as their teacher.  Living on the outskirt of a college town opens the doors for a multitude of tutors.  In the age of the Internet, it is not unfathomable for me to think that I could teach myself the material well enough to help them teach themselves, but if not then there is no rules against seeking assistance from professionals in that field.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2011, 09:17:32 AM »
My wife homeschooled all 3 of our kids, this was back in the 80's and there weren't any programs available so she joined a homeschool group that helped each other out and had weekly meetings at a public park to allow the kids to have some playtime with each other while the parents compared notes, once they got to high school age she let them have the choice of going to public school so they could have AP classes.
My oldest is now an engineer, daughter got married and youngest is undecided, they all got a good start with the homeschool since we believe that elementary and junior high is severely lacking in teaching the kids properly.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2011, 10:08:40 AM »
our laws were changed recently to require at least 1 parent to have a degree.
is that on the state level and if so, what state is it?

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2011, 10:12:27 AM »
My hat is off to those who home schooled and did it right. I'm sure it was alot of work, but very rewarding in the end.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2011, 11:51:18 AM »
our laws were changed recently to require at least 1 parent to have a degree.
is that on the state level and if so, what state is it?
it's Ga. and I'm pretty sure it's state law.  but I've been wrong before.
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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2011, 01:04:09 PM »
There are real advantages for children whose parents are willing and able to homeschool there children. Parents of home-schooled children in my school district can pick and choose subjects they want their children to attend in the public schools here. Many choose to send their children to PE and science classes. My hat is off to any parent who successfully homeschools their children. It can't be easy.

Having said that, I have had a lot home-schooled students come to my 6th grade classroom after having the parents attempt to home-school them. Without exception, they have been at least one year behind in both reading and mathematics.
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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2011, 01:21:07 PM »
Out of those I have seen home schooled it would run about 50/50 good verses bad. Parents that are good and devoted to their kids will usually watch their kids become productive in society. Does not matter if home schooled or not. Parents that aren't will see their kids become wards of state. Home school/not.
Devoted Parents that home school will better be able to negotiate the slippery slide of todays society into the pit of hell. 

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2011, 03:50:46 PM »
our laws were changed recently to require at least 1 parent to have a degree.

That appears to be an excellent way to curtail home schooling without forbidding it outright. :(
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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 03:57:49 PM »
I just found out that the home schooled in my area have to turn in a portfolio of their work to the school district. I was told some portfolios are 4 inches thick while others are only 1/2 inch thick. I guess my question is, who makes sure the homeschooled are being educated the way they are supposed to?

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2011, 04:08:43 PM »
I've taught middle school for a number of years before I started my business, and have worked in children's ministries for almost 30 years. In my state, it's all or nothing.  Home schoolers can not participate in just a few classes, they have to be a regular student and attend all.  That is the way it is in most states I think.  Home schooled children do very well in the early years, but I see most of them suffer when it comes to the beginning of 6th grade.   Sixth grade is an important transition from child to young adult. Academics not only increase, but also social expectations.  Most home schooled children I've observed lack the social skills that students have that are attending a regular school. I've seen older kids who are kept home, just can't fit in with others their own age.  They often play with much younger children because they are kept home with younger siblings. It's acceptable to play Power Rangers at home, but often they don't understand why their peers in regular school walk the other way. They gravitate to what they feel comfortable with and often it takes them much longer to mature socially than other children who attend school regularly. There are  just very little opportunities for them to socialize and learn what is acceptable at that age.  Most parents that home school think church activities are the answer, but these activities are just not enough.  Home schooling is great in the early years to help build a foundation, but later every child has to grow up and become a member of society.  I have seen it hurt kids later on if kept home too long.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2011, 05:32:16 PM »
I guess my question is, who makes sure the homeschooled are being educated the way they are supposed to?

How is someone SUPPOSED to be educated?  What is the your standard for what information a child should learn at a certain age?  Why should ANYONE else have a say in what my kids are taught or how they are being educated?  The idea that there should be some 'governing' body to make sure EVERYONE is educated in the same subjects at the same time with the same information is crazy to me! 

What if I chose to only teach my kids to read, write, and do basic math?  What if I then just taught them a trade of their choice and left out the the things that they wouldn't really use in their trade or lifetime?  That is MY choice for MY kids, and why should ANYONE else care that my kids didn't learn how to write in cursive in second grade.  Don't get me wrong, I personally wouldn't want to limit my children's future career choices, but to another family it may be for the best.  It is not the Government's or ANYONE else's place to tell parents what their children should learn.  My kids learn so much more at home than they ever would at school.  There is no one else responsible for our kids education except Matt and myself, and I wouldn't have it any other way!

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2011, 06:53:55 PM »
Heather-
The OP was very much in support of the crybaby teachers in wisconsin so it seems that this post is just another attempt to discredit any other education other than public education.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2011, 07:05:53 PM »
I guess my question is, who makes sure the homeschooled are being educated the way they are supposed to?



How is someone SUPPOSED to be educated?  What is the your standard for what information a child should learn at a certain age?  Why should ANYONE else have a say in what my kids are taught or how they are being educated?  The idea that there should be some 'governing' body to make sure EVERYONE is educated in the same subjects at the same time with the same information is crazy to me! 

What if I chose to only teach my kids to read, write, and do basic math?  What if I then just taught them a trade of their choice and left out the the things that they wouldn't really use in their trade or lifetime?  That is MY choice for MY kids, and why should ANYONE else care that my kids didn't learn how to write in cursive in second grade.  Don't get me wrong, I personally wouldn't want to limit my children's future career choices, but to another family it may be for the best.  It is not the Government's or ANYONE else's place to tell parents what their children should learn.  My kids learn so much more at home than they ever would at school.  There is no one else responsible for our kids education except Matt and myself, and I wouldn't have it any other way!

Heather

Awesomely excellent response Heather!  So absolutely right on!   ;) ;)  Thank you so very much!   :)


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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2011, 07:12:58 PM »
Heather-
The OP was very much in support of the crybaby teachers in wisconsin so it seems that this post is just another attempt to discredit any other education other than public education.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2011, 02:05:23 AM »
Heather-
The OP was very much in support of the crybaby teachers in wisconsin so it seems that this post is just another attempt to discredit any other education other than public education.

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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2011, 02:16:20 AM »
I guess my question is, who makes sure the homeschooled are being educated the way they are supposed to?

How is someone SUPPOSED to be educated?  What is the your standard for what information a child should learn at a certain age?  Why should ANYONE else have a say in what my kids are taught or how they are being educated?  The idea that there should be some 'governing' body to make sure EVERYONE is educated in the same subjects at the same time with the same information is crazy to me! 

What if I chose to only teach my kids to read, write, and do basic math?  What if I then just taught them a trade of their choice and left out the the things that they wouldn't really use in their trade or lifetime?  That is MY choice for MY kids, and why should ANYONE else care that my kids didn't learn how to write in cursive in second grade.  Don't get me wrong, I personally wouldn't want to limit my children's future career choices, but to another family it may be for the best.  It is not the Government's or ANYONE else's place to tell parents what their children should learn.  My kids learn so much more at home than they ever would at school.  There is no one else responsible for our kids education except Matt and myself, and I wouldn't have it any other way!

Heather
I'm finding out each state is different. In my state, parents have to turn in a portfolio at the end of the school year to the district they live in. The district is responsible for determining if the students accomplished what they should have. I have never heard of a student's port folio being rejected. I guess the schools feel that since they were home schooled, it's ultimately the parents responsibility for what is accomplished. Another difference I have discovered is that in my state, home schooled are allowed to attend classes in public schools if they feel they can get a better education in a specific subject , such as trig or calculus. They also have the right to play sports in the public school as long as they attend the practices. It is really interesting for me to discover the different rules each state has pertaining to home schooled students.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2011, 02:33:26 AM »
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Most home schooled children I've observed lack the social skills that students have that are attending a regular school. I've seen older kids who are kept home, just can't fit in with others their own age.

You're right, they don't fit in with other kids there age.  However, they normally interact very well with adults.  How many years will they interact with 6 graders, versus interacting with adults their entire life?

All four of my kids were homeschooled off and on from K-12 (except youngest who is in 6th now).  Both of my daughter's have graduated and were highly respected across the board by every instructor they ever had in public school.  We were lucky, in their high school years, they were able to attend part time and home school part time.  Both carried over a 3.8 gpa.  Both took "honors" classes.  One was successively, the JROTC Battalion SGM, XO and CO.  One has Girl Scout "Gold Award".  Both were in Girl Scouts and Venture Scouts.  My son is respected for his maturity and ability to work with adults in high school now.  He will be in 12th this coming year.  He is an Eagle Scout and has also been active in Venture scouting.  My youngest is not the SAME as his peers in the neighboorhood.  He is much more mature, concerned, caring and polite than the kids coming home from the public schools.  If the fact that he isn't telling dirty jokes and trying to feel up every girl that passes by "not normal" then I'll be more than happy to continue home-schooling.  If he is continually complimented by other adults in the community and at church for his maturity and respectful attitude, then I'll be happy to continue home-schooling.  You can keep your public school socialization.  I'll keep my kids in Scout's, church groups, Little League, football and hunting and fishing.  I don't really WANT my kid to be able to interact with other 6th graders.  I want him to interact with adults.  That's who he will have to deal with every day for the rest of this life.


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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2011, 03:08:40 AM »
Back to the orginal post ------Please keep the usual blame and shame out of this discussion. It's not about politics or which system is better. I just would like to know.

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2011, 05:07:19 AM »
I think each decision is the responsibility of the parents.  I have seen home schooling really help students early on, but later there are just too many things they miss out on.  You can't keep them from the world all their lives.  All you can do is build a foundation on God and what is morally right while they are young; eventually they will have to make their own decisions and choices when they grow up.  Middle and high school years are better left to a regular school, public or private. No Guns Here, this doesn't apply to every child, but I've seen it over and over again. You seem to have given your kids chances to socialize, but sadly most home school parents don't. 

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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2011, 05:30:03 AM »
 I boggles my mind when I think of the hours, stress and physical abuse I and schoolmates during Elementary school had to put up with learning absolute useless things for life.   :(
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2011, 05:39:46 AM »
I'm still pondering the socialising value of what I learned in middle school and high school.  It was more like a test to see if you could resist becoming just another lowest common denominator.  If you pass that hurdle, I guess there is some value in that.  But I'm not sure that education should be so much a test of ones character.
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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2011, 05:56:20 AM »
I am curious about something pertaining to home schooled children. I was wonder how parents handle the courses as they get more difficult? I'm thinking about courses such as chemistry, physics, biology, calculus, trig, creative writing, English lit, English composition etc. Trust me this is no trick question and does not imply the parents of these children aren't intelligent. It's seem to me most parents wouldn't be very good at ALL the required subjects for a high school diploma. I know I'm not. Please keep the usual blame and shame out of this discussion. It's not about politics or which system is better. I just would like to know.
Here's the original post for anyone who can't read that far back.

OP was wondering about teaching subject they were unfamilar with.
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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2011, 06:39:27 AM »
Sorry, I did get topic for the OP.

Basically, we have been lucky.  My wife is a forestry major with a minor in math.  She teaches or helps with all the math subjects.  I'm good with most of the other courses.  The curriculum we use has great teacher's editions.  We were also lucky with our girls HS and the first two years of our oldest sons HS.  They attended a DOD HS in Germany that allowed part-time enrollment.  They were able to pick and choose the courses that would suit them and their needs each year.  For example, in my eldest daughter's senior year, she took her extra curriculars and other class at HS but her math and english she was taking at college and thereby gaining double credit for them (HS and college).  My eldest son has some LD areas and took English and Math at home for more personalized attention.  My youngest son is still HS'ing full-time in 6th grade.  I expect he will enter a christian school or private school of some sort (unless we can get back overseas) for his high school courses.  It is better in some ways for the more technical courses such as chemistry and physics.  They tend to have more facilities to help with instruction.

Of course in some ways, Homeschool is the best way to work on some of the instruction.  Instead of dissecting frogs in formaldehyde, my kids helped gut and skin wild hogs in Germany.  They were able to see the full sized organs and body parts up close.  We worked on fulcrums and force while building some parking barriers at a camp ground.  They used full sized logs and saplings as levers.  We made them figure out fulcrums and force needed to lift the logs into place.  Real world NOT classroom.  Pouring concrete was real world instruction in geometry.

With Homeschool, you also have many more opportunities for field trips to augment their studies as needed.  We've been to many battlefields from the US CW, WWI and WWII.  They've been to many castles, manors, museums and historical sites in Europe and the US.  Shopping trips become lessons in economics.  Oil changes and such become real life lessons in auto mechanics and recycling.  Vacations are at your schedule NOT at the schedule of some school board.  Reading lists are determined by you and not by some liberal with an agenda.

Homeschool is great in elementary and up into junior high years.  It CAN become more difficult in high school years.  A good friend of ours didn't have access to part time schools like we did.  His daughter was essentially taught through high school by mom and dad and partly self-taught.  She is currently carrying a 4.0 gpa through her forth year going into a pharmacy degree.


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Re: Question for home schoolers .
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2011, 07:17:50 AM »
For the homeschoolers, its probably more important with what they don't learn at the hands of a public school outfit then what they could have learned.

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