Author Topic: SB1 in .44Mag... ammo/load limit (Read 1278 times)

Schmitti · « **on:** June 08, 2011, 04:43:43 AM »

At this point I'm window shopping, but I'm looking to get a 20 ga Ultra slug (SB1) and then send it in to get a .44 Mag barrel for it.

This is probably a dumb question and may have been covered multiple times elsewhere, I'm just wondering if the SB1 is safe to shoot stout/hot cartridges like the Garrett .44 Mag +P or other hot .44 mag loads? And what are folks thoughts on limits for hand loading?

Thank you in advance... look forward to finally getting one of these!

E

cwlongshot · « **Reply #1 on:** June 08, 2011, 05:08:12 AM »

Welcome Schmidt!!
Take some time and read thru the FAQ's. This info is in there...
The "USH" are not on a SB1 receiver. While not truly a SB2 either...

Why do you feel the need to hot rod a Magnum??? That's why it's a magnum! Your will already surpass the ballistics of any +P loading simply because of the linger barrel length of the H&R. Further hot loading such a cartridge is to my mind, fool hardy and needless. The 44 Mag is fully capable to do everything it's designed for. IMHO, You could not load it hot enough to make it enough better to make it worth while.

The SB1 is plenty safe for any commercial loading of this caliber as well as any sane "book" load.

If you feel you need more buy a 500 or 45/70 and load that up.

Good luck,
CW

Schmitti · « **Reply #2 on:** June 08, 2011, 05:21:19 AM »

CW-

Thanks for the fast reply... I have the FAQ bookmarked but must have missed it.

My question was more just theoretical in nature. I don't want to load to a 45/70 spec... but I wanted to know if pushing the limits was possible. I know for a looong while I'll just be shooting factory or of boutique small run stuff (like Garrett) for the most part.

I see these warnings on boutique cartridge makers web sights about what you can shoot in what gun, so it just had me thinking.

And for the most part the gun would be for plinking and against white tails in the hills and woods up here in northern NY.

Thanks again!

E

cwlongshot · « **Reply #3 on:** June 08, 2011, 05:49:10 AM »

LOL.

OK, but again, forget about hotrodding a magnum, simply not necessary.

You will be far better served, with a good bullet and good marksmanship.

Your hunting is identical to mine, I have property in Ulster and Sulivan county's. The 44 would Suffice for over 90% of my needs hunting deer and blk bear there.

CW

Schmitti · « **Reply #4 on:** June 08, 2011, 05:56:05 AM »

Ah Ulster and Sullivan. I worked in Poughkeepsie for a bit and yes that is interesting terrain. You can get a good work out just getting to your hunting area.

I'm up in Schenectady which is shotgun and muzzle loader only, but my Brother-in-law is up in Essex with all sorts of access and permissions up there. So that's why I'm looking at a 20ga Slug/44Mag combo.

And enough arm twisiting... no thoughts of hot rodding for me

E

cwlongshot · « **Reply #5 on:** June 08, 2011, 05:59:48 AM »

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** June 08, 2011, 06:35:58 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on June 08, 2011, 05:08:12 AM

The "USH" are not on a SB1 receiver. While not truly a SB2 either...

One slight clarification on your statement CW....

The 20ga USH comes on an SB1 frame, the 12ga USH comes on an SB2 shotgun frame, model numbers detail the frame designation.

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/ultraSlug.asp

quickdtoo · « **Reply #7 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:31:42 AM »

One more clarification, both the combo slug guns also come on SB1 frames, the SC1 model numbers indicate they're SB1 combos.

And welcome aboard Schmitti!

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Combos/handislug.asp

Schmitti · « **Reply #8 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:42:19 AM »

Thanks Tim!

12ga slugs just beat on me. I'm trying to sell a Mossberg 500 rifled slug barrel now, because of that. I'd rather use my 12ga as my wing gun, and pick up a handi rifle as described above for deer. Guess I will still need to pick up either an SB1 as an Ultra Slug or 44 and the send it in for the extra barrel.

E

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** June 08, 2011, 08:28:04 AM »

Or buy the parts in the classifieds here and put them together yourself using the barrel fitting info in the FAQs as needed, much less expensive than an accessory barrel.

Tim

Schmitti · « **Reply #10 on:** June 08, 2011, 08:38:55 AM »

Yeah I'll be watching the classifieds for sure.

E

bikerbeans · « **Reply #11 on:** June 08, 2011, 08:55:18 AM »

Hi & Welcome!

One thought if you are going to piece together a 44Mag & 20 ga slug gun would be to buy a used SB2 receiver. The SB2 when properly fitted will work fine with the 209 shotgun primers and you eliminate the worry of hotter 44 loads if you go that route. Also, if you become so inclined to reload, the 445 Super Mag is just a GBO rental reamer away.

BB

Schmitti · « **Reply #12 on:** June 08, 2011, 09:02:46 AM »

You guys are killing me!

I need to sell this Mossberg Slug Barrel first... then maybe I will jump on one of the receivers I see here.

This is worse than paintball.... thankfully my wife can't remember how much of that equipment I own (which is now down to almost nothing)

E

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** June 08, 2011, 09:44:21 AM »

Thanks for taking the hit on that BB, I was gonna mention the 445SM, but decided to let someone else be the bad guy!!

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,231010.msg1099326895.html#msg1099326895

Schmitti · « **Reply #14 on:** June 08, 2011, 10:06:55 AM »

You guys are nuts!

E

45-70.gov · « **Reply #15 on:** June 08, 2011, 11:07:50 AM »

Quote from: Schmitti on June 08, 2011, 10:06:55 AM

You guys are nuts!

E

these rifle make you that way

cwlongshot · « **Reply #16 on:** June 08, 2011, 12:24:14 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on June 08, 2011, 06:35:58 AM

Quote from: cwlongshot on June 08, 2011, 05:08:12 AM
The "USH" are not on a SB1 receiver. While not truly a SB2 either...

One slight clarification on your statement CW....

The 20 ga USH comes on an SB1 frame, the 12 ga USH comes on an SB2 shotgun frame, model numbers detail the frame designation.

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/ultraSlug.asp

Good show Tim.

Ya know when I was writing that I said to myself, Self, isn't the different receiver just the 12ga? Because it uses a 10Ga barrel bored 12ga size... I was also on the iPhone and aren't as quick or easy to double check things as I can here on the lap top...

CW

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2011, 12:36:31 PM »

I figured that was your line of thought CW, just didn't want to lead anyone astray, H&R has caused enough confusion with their frame nomenclature.

IPhone? ? ? Is that like a telephone?

Tim

cwlongshot · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2011, 12:54:17 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on June 08, 2011, 12:36:31 PM

I figured that was your line of thought CW, just didn't want to lead anyone astray, H&R has caused enough confusion with their frame nomenclature.

IPhone? ? ? Is that like a telephone?

Tim

We BOTH hate missinformation. I am GLAD you clarified Tim!!

Yes, its a phone, and a calander, camera, internet, music, "apps" that would blow your mind... I very much like it!! I keep records and notes on it, get work orders at work with it heck it even wakes me with many different alarm clocks!! We are about ready to get momma one!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grTCDFbhKMU
CW

quickdtoo · « **Reply #19 on:** June 08, 2011, 12:59:59 PM »

Yeah, my wife's best friend got an IPhone a couple months ago, she's been thinking on getting one ever since!

Tim

bikerbeans · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2011, 02:54:56 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on June 08, 2011, 09:44:21 AM

Thanks for taking the hit on that BB, I was gonna mention the 445SM, but decided to let someone else be the bad guy!!

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,231010.msg1099326895.html#msg1099326895

Tim,

Pete usually does the grunt work for the 445SM, I just thought I would help him out.

BB

cjrjck · « **Reply #21 on:** June 09, 2011, 06:10:09 PM »

I thought I saw the Handi 44 magnum listed as a safe firearm for Buffalo Bore 44 +p ammo but that may have been determined when the 44 Handi came on an sb2 and not sb1 frame. Who knows. I know folks shoot the 357 Max on an sb1. I personally have my 20 Gauge USH on an sb2. The same frame I had my last 44 fitted to. Added strength and the trigger was much better. Not sure why H&R has chosen to use the sb1 with the 357 and 44 mag. I guess it allows them to sell the gun cheaper but I personally think most folks would opt to pay a little more for the sb2 if they realized what they were getting.

keith44 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 09, 2011, 06:24:05 PM »

Quote from: cjrjck on June 09, 2011, 06:10:09 PM

I personally think most folks would opt to pay a little more for the sb2 if they realized what they were getting.

I agree, and I'm glad mine is fitted to an SB 2

geezerbiker · « **Reply #23 on:** June 09, 2011, 07:21:47 PM »

This got me to check my .44 and it's stamped SB2 on the barrel but not the frame. Is it normal not to have the model number on the frame?

Tony

45-70.gov · « **Reply #24 on:** June 09, 2011, 07:24:51 PM »

Quote from: geezerbiker on June 09, 2011, 07:21:47 PM

This got me to check my .44 and it's stamped SB2 on the barrel but not the frame. Is it normal not to have the model number on the frame?

Tony

don't pay any attention to that.....we don't know why they do that

keith44 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 09, 2011, 08:25:36 PM »

Quote from: geezerbiker on June 09, 2011, 07:21:47 PM

This got me to check my .44 and it's stamped SB2 on the barrel but not the frame. Is it normal not to have the model number on the frame?

Tony

Check the FAQ's for frame identification. Clear pic's and descriptions

As a side note there are +P loads available for the .44 mag but they are recommended only for SOME Ruger handguns, and a few others that have the .44 mag as the smaller weaker chamber offering.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #26 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:13:09 AM »

Just toclarify my stand AGAINST magmumizing a magnum.

#1. It's simply not necessary !! 99% of people who feel the need for more are shooting a handgun. Be idea the fact that terminally any gains would be infineaticimal. If they merely learned to handle the firearm better OR stepped up in caliber. They would be worlds better off.

#2 this +P idea was to bring older calibers "up" to pressure levels of current cartridges based on metelargucal strengths. The 38, 45 & 257 Roberts. All very popular chamBerings built when firearm steels strengths where judges more conservatively. Today we know better the limits of modern steel so it's natural to push such calibers as these. NOT so with ANY Magnum caliber. ( San the lil 32 H&R but that's a different story. H&R handguns are not known for strength so pressures where kept lower)

Simply firing a cartridge like a 44 from a 20+" barrel is gonna surpass and +P loading!! Expect near 400FPS increases!!! All at ZERO increase in pressures.

As I original stated, if you feel you need "more" than a 44MAG offers. (Based on offered criteria)Look at two things BE objective and ask if you can really shoot this or more gun than this and do you shoot it well. OR buy a bigger gun!

CW

keith44 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2011, 06:01:36 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on June 10, 2011, 03:13:09 AM

Just toclarify my stand AGAINST magmumizing a magnum.

#1. It's simply not necessary !! 99% of people who feel the need for more are shooting a handgun. Be idea the fact that terminally any gains would be infineaticimal. If they merely learned to handle the firearm better OR stepped up in caliber. They would be worlds better off.

#2 this +P idea was to bring older calibers "up" to pressure levels of current cartridges based on metelargucal strengths. The 38, 45 & 257 Roberts. All very popular chamBerings built when firearm steels strengths where judges more conservatively. Today we know better the limits of modern steel so it's natural to push such calibers as these. NOT so with ANY Magnum caliber. ( San the lil 32 H&R but that's a different story. H&R handguns are not known for strength so pressures where kept lower)

Simply firing a cartridge like a 44 from a 20+" barrel is gonna surpass and +P loading!! Expect near 400FPS increases!!! All at ZERO increase in pressures.

As I original stated, if you feel you need "more" than a 44MAG offers. (Based on offered criteria)Look at two things BE objective and ask if you can really shoot this or more gun than this and do you shoot it well. OR buy a bigger gun!

CW

CW you are absolutely correct, but there is published data out there. I don't use it, but I will admit to trying a few rounds. Recoil is vicious! So is muzzle blast. And accuracy is at best mediocre. There are also some extra heavy bullets available. I do not recommend hotrodding any caliber (with the exception of the 45-70, and the .45 colt) in Handi rifles.

Keith