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Obama is pro gun
« on: June 10, 2011, 01:01:21 PM »
http://www.fop.net/legislative/issues/hr218/hr218faq.pdf

The upgrade that he signed probably does not make a difference in most states. Huge change for retired LEO in or pass through NYS.

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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2011, 01:04:51 PM »
    Yeah, right...And Elmer Fudd is "Pwo Wabbit" !.... ;) :D ;D :P
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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2011, 01:47:38 PM »
Bobbles and shiny trinkets for the officers and another union pay off.
More division between law enforcement and the lowly surfs who pay their wages.

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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2011, 02:34:44 PM »
wreck. Real cute, now, how does that help the law abiding citizens in America if you are not in le.?? POWDERMAN.
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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2011, 02:46:08 PM »
I don't know about your state, but in NYS, retired LEO are subject to a bunch of AWB regs. The second they retire, they are no longer allowed to own a bunch of toys. There was a difficult, arcane workaround. Obama helped those retired LEO big time. Which keeps them from breaking the law.

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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2011, 02:48:50 PM »
wreck. Real cute, now, how does that help the law abiding citizens in America if you are not in le.?? POWDERMAN.

powderman, maybe we should all be deputized. It's ironic in the land of the sorta/kinda free and the home of the sheep that only the king and the kings men can defend themselves.......

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2011, 02:51:14 PM »
Which keeps them from breaking the law.

Yuup unlike the rest of us. Ooops I forgot, I'm sure that the lives of the king and the kings men is considered more important than ours................... :o

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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2011, 03:29:24 PM »
I don't know about your state, but in NYS, retired LEO are subject to a bunch of AWB regs. The second they retire, they are no longer allowed to own a bunch of toys. There was a difficult, arcane workaround. Obama helped those retired LEO big time. Which keeps them from breaking the law.
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  Why should retired LEOs be different, he could have done as much for all law abiding citizens...what does the 2nd amendment say ?.... 
     " the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall NOT be INFRINGED"
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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2011, 03:36:19 PM »
Wreckhog;
   You should have warned us to wear tall boots before you started flooding us with BS.  There was an entire thread run the other day concerning the UN efforts to seize all our guns...and sure, Hillary and B Hussein are all for it.  You strike me as the kind of voter who will vote in all hunter's/shooter's enemies, simply because you are in a political rut you can't seem to get out of..
  Here, have a lookl..especially page #2;

 http://blogs.forbes.com/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2011, 03:53:44 PM »
Wow, I have seen alot of goofy threads lately!  ::)
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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2011, 04:07:46 PM »
 Obama is pro gun

ha ha ha ha ha April Fools! Wait...its June so I guess it would just take a plain fool to believe this claim.
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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2011, 04:56:25 PM »
I don't know about your state, but in NYS, retired LEO are subject to a bunch of AWB regs. The second they retire, they are no longer allowed to own a bunch of toys. There was a difficult, arcane workaround. Obama helped those retired LEO big time. Which keeps them from breaking the law.
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  Why should retired LEOs be different, he could have done as much for all law abiding citizens...what does the 2nd amendment say ?.... 
     " the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall NOT be INFRINGED"
I said pro gun, not pro 2A. Virtually no one is pro 2A, including the NRA.

This is the 2A.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

What well regulated Militia gives a crap about CCW? Where does the 2A said anything about law abiding? It is about being able to stand up to those that make laws. The 2A is about much more serious weaponary and the right of ANY people to possess and open carry them anywhere, without ANY restriction.

Obama's support of retired LEOs not being subjected to AWB is far closer to the spirit of the 2A.

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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2011, 05:28:31 PM »
???  welcome to the Twilight Zone...  ???

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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2011, 07:24:54 PM »
What is next for Obama? Members of the UAW will not need a Drivers License. Retired Union Teachers will not need library cards.  ::) The Nation is becoming more divided each day, :(

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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2011, 10:08:18 PM »
  Why should retired LEOs be different, he could have done as much for all law abiding citizens...what does the 2nd amendment say ?.... 
     " the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall NOT be INFRINGED"

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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2011, 01:19:19 AM »
YT;
  While I am not a cop hater, especially when considering some current events, I also don't consider them as superior to other citizens !  One always has to look for ulterior motives with this guy..   
  Is he trying to curry favor with police unions ?
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Wreckhog;
  Your assumptions are the kind which liberal/leftist/socialists oftem make when angling for more government CONTROL.
   You have failed to read the 2nd by way of the precision with which it was written.  The authors of the constitution envisioned a militia composed of individual citizens..OUTSIDE of federal government control;  a militia which could be summoned up on short notice, to defend individual rights.
   The 2nd says a militia is necessary..but in order to preserve individual rights, ALL Citizens must be guaranteed the right to keep and bear arms.  That is exactly why it read " the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms", rather than "the right of SAID ORGANIZED MILITIA to keep and bear arms"
  Madison, Washington, Jefferson, Hancock, Henry, Adams and all the rest agreed on the importance of the PEOPLE having the right to keep and bear...
    You are a college trained scholar and should know the following historical facts.
    Shortly after the adoption of our constitution some of the principal writers published a series of articles, further explaining the thought process they used in it's design; these articles were called "The Federalist Papers" .
  Here is an excerpt from.. Federalist Paper #46, authored by James Madison, which explains the reasons for the 2nd amendment.  Real RTKB defenders may wan to bookmark this one::
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  "The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger. That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both; that the traitors should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads, must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism. Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it."
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   See...the second amendment is NOT about squirrel hunting !  It is ALL about a over-reaching federal government, and how the PEOPLE can defend themselves from it !

   The entirety of Federalist Paper #46:  http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm
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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2011, 01:38:56 AM »
Just an attempt to by more cops  A retired LEO ia a civilian and should have to follow the same laws as everybody
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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2011, 01:54:35 AM »
To simplify, the central nugget of #46;
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   "Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
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  And #46 is not alone
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Re: Obama is pro gun
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2011, 02:05:59 AM »

     " the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall NOT be INFRINGED"

I bet Obama really hates that part.

Wreck have you ever looked at Obama's voting record on gun issues? Obama and pro gun should not even be used in the same sentence.
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2011, 02:09:06 AM »

     " the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall NOT be INFRINGED"

I bet Obama really hates that part.

Wreck have you ever looked at Obama's voting record on gun issues? Obama and pro gun should not even be used in the same sentence.
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  How about ...pro commie ?
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2011, 02:26:31 AM »
How about ...pro commie ?

Now there is a word that certainly fits the character much better.
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2011, 02:55:36 AM »
people of wrecks ilk have no clue about obamas voting record.  if you go back to Ill you'll see stuff that makes your blood run cold.
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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2011, 03:08:40 AM »
A retired cop should have no more rights than anyone else. In fact an employed cop should have no more rights than anyone else. He should have to buy a permit like everyone else.
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2011, 03:24:25 AM »
  I agree.  The division between the government and the governed just keeps growing.  A retired cop or even an off duty cop should be no different than any other citizen, but they are treated differently. 

  If a retired cop want to carry for personal protection I think that's fine; but the rules should be the same as for any body else.

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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2011, 05:52:59 AM »
  While I live in NY State..(about 360 miles from times Square) we should all understand that NY City is as different from NY State as is Angelina Jolie from Chuck Norris !  We in the opposite end of the state are more like heartland people and have the same view of the "Big Apple" as most heartlanders do.  While my home county looks more like the picture atop this page; NY City looks like..well...New York City..
     Most all my acquaintances have cabinets/lockers full of guns and many have their CC permits.  In NY City the only ones "packing" are the cops and the crooks...nobody else allowed.  While I am not quite that negative, some folks think those two carrying groups are nearly one and the same. ;) :D
    Naturally, this engenders a diffferent view on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  People from that metroplex would likely be "grateful" that retired LEOs can carry.. while upstate they may ask.. "Why can't everybody carry" 
     
      So, there is mistrust between upstate and downstate...  Two different breeds of cat. if you will.
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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2011, 06:14:32 AM »
I believe most cops should have the same right to carry that law abiding citizens have.  However, unlike law abiding citizens, cops should be required to attain a lot of training before being allowed to carry.
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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2011, 07:12:11 AM »
IG, you made me notice the parralel between N.Y. and Ill. 
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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2011, 07:59:41 AM »
IG, you made me notice the parralel between N.Y. and Ill.
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   Bugeye;
  I suspected that ! Along with several other states in greater or lesser degrees;

  Northern vs Southern California, Eastern vs Western Oregon, Washington, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts..
  Then there's Milwaukee and Madison vs Wisconsin. How about northern & central vs southern & coastal Florida ?
  Maybe St Louis vs Missouri and New Orleans & Baton Rouge vs Louisiana ?

      Maine I don't understand, it should be conservative but always elects RINOS...
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2011, 08:22:50 AM »
  While I live in NY State..(about 360 miles from times Square) we should all understand that NY City is as different from NY State as is Angelina Jolie from Chuck Norris !  We in the opposite end of the state are more like heartland people and have the same view of the "Big Apple" as most heartlanders do.  While my home county looks more like the picture atop this page; NY City looks like..well...New York City..
     Most all my acquaintances have cabinets/lockers full of guns and many have their CC permits.  In NY City the only ones "packing" are the cops and the crooks...nobody else allowed.  While I am not quite that negative, some folks think those two carrying groups are nearly one and the same. ;) :D
    Naturally, this engenders a diffferent view on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  People from that metroplex would likely be "grateful" that retired LEOs can carry.. while upstate they may ask.. "Why can't everybody carry" 
     
      So, there is mistrust between upstate and downstate...  Two different breeds of cat. if you will.

Yes, what you are talking about is Urban/Lib vs Rural/Conservative, in a way it's the new North vs South or another way of looking at it is those Indians out there will have to be dealt with, so let's kill their food source.

And of course the Lib panty wetters think the police can protect them & also feel at some point the uncivilized will have to be dealt with.

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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2011, 08:29:13 AM »
  Getting more true every day Nomo...seems like the major parts of the population of many northern cities are either welfare cases of "guvmint workers", sizeable portions of each group being parasitic in nature..and we in rural areas have to tolerate their larcenous behavior with our tax monies.
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