Author Topic: Say what? (Read 2765 times)

Junior1942 · « **on:** June 11, 2011, 03:18:05 AM »

Hey, something's wrong here. Listening to a lot of you guys a fellow would think almost all Americans hate health care reform. It ain't so!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/opinion/10fri4.html?emc=eta1

Of course, you can't believe a newspaper. To gauge the opinion of America read a gun forum, right?

powderman · « **Reply #1 on:** June 11, 2011, 04:03:27 AM »

A dear friend lives there and has the state card. She said most drs refuse to take it. POWDERMAN.

Pot-Bellied Stallion · « **Reply #2 on:** June 11, 2011, 04:48:30 AM »

Isn't the N.Y. Times the newspaper whose reporters have been caught writing and publishing fiction in the guise of fact?

magooch · « **Reply #3 on:** June 11, 2011, 05:54:08 AM »

I guess I missed the in depth analysis that showed the financial viability of the Mass. plan and who gets stuck for the bill. How much of the plan is based on wealth transfer. I didn't see where the article talked about how the average waiting time for appointments has more than doubled. Even Mitt Romney, who is given credit as the architect of the plan, says that it is not sustainable.

My theory has long been that you can make a bad plan work if you throw enough money at it, but it's still a bad plan. I also subscribe to the axiom of why try to fix something that isn't broken. The fact that medical insurance is expensive doesn't mean the system is broken, it means that doctors and hospitals etc. don't come cheap and nothing that any government does is going to change all of that. Well actually there is something that government could do. Get rid of the illegals that come here and get free health care and to some extent, free loading by legals could be curtailed.

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** June 11, 2011, 06:17:31 AM »

Quote from: Pot-Bellied Stallion on June 11, 2011, 04:48:30 AM

Isn't the N.Y. Times the newspaper whose reporters have been caught writing and publishing fiction in the guise of fact?

YUP. POWDERMAN.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #5 on:** June 11, 2011, 07:07:02 AM »

yes junior, the N.Y. times is where we all turn for the truth

Hooker · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2011, 07:55:20 AM »

Long fo da innanet comed along us unejicated ones used dat NY Time to line da bird cage.
Anyone that is for government run health care is either a moron or a leach period.

Pat

ironglow · « **Reply #7 on:** June 11, 2011, 08:15:31 AM »

UHHHH...That poll was for the Massachusetts plan and NOT for Obamacare. That poll was of Massachusetts residents and I would opine it was taken heavily weighted to the boston metro area..
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Lets go to a national poll on Obamanation care, taken by a very reliable pollster. Note; how many not asking fopr a rerpair of the bill, but are asking for a complete repeal of it:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

The figures are 54% say repeal; 39% say don't repeal. Although there may be many in the don't repeal group who would like repairs, still that smaller group is probably primarily the usual "gimme" parasites...

DDZ · « **Reply #8 on:** June 11, 2011, 01:24:15 PM »

The people who should know best — residents of Massachusetts....

This sentence at the beginning of the article made me laugh. That must be the same people that voted Ted Kennedy into office all those years, and we are to believe what they have to say on health care, because they know best. Now thats funny.

ironglow · « **Reply #9 on:** June 13, 2011, 11:54:08 AM »

Quote from: DDZ on June 11, 2011, 01:24:15 PM

The people who should know best — residents of Massachusetts....

This sentence at the beginning of the article made me laugh. That must be the same people that voted Ted Kennedy into office all those years, and we are to believe what they have to say on health care, because they know best. Now thats funny.

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Now, there are some people who just don't know what's good for them. Imagine..some who made the mistake of voting in B. Hussein and financially ruining our country, are all ready to make the same silly mistake.....AGAIN !!!!

Junior1942 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 13, 2011, 01:54:51 PM »

>Imagine..some who made the mistake of voting in ~~B. Hussein~~ GWB and financially ruining our country,

I fixed it for you.

Spencer, Carey · « **Reply #11 on:** June 13, 2011, 03:54:10 PM »

As uaual, leave it to old Junior to pourposely ignore all legitimate points and facts posed and spew BS asinine half baked nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!

Junior1942 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 13, 2011, 04:58:49 PM »

Quote from: Spencer, Carey on June 13, 2011, 03:54:10 PM

As uaual, leave it to old Junior to pourposely ignore all legitimate points and facts posed and spew BS asinine half baked nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read any newspapers during the last year of GWB's term? If you did, then surely you know the USA was about to enter Great Depression #2. That's a fact, not "half baked nonsense."

ironglow · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2011, 05:11:16 PM »

Quote from: Junior1942 on June 13, 2011, 01:54:51 PM

>Imagine..some who made the mistake of voting in ~~B. Hussein~~ GWB and financially ruining our country,

I fixed it for you.

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No Junior; you and a few million others who don't intellectualise.."fixed it" for all of us..by electing a neighborhood ativist (radical rabble rouser) as president...who has promptly run our nation into the dirt..
...And as I said..you would do it again..

Spencer, Carey · « **Reply #14 on:** June 14, 2011, 01:36:02 AM »

Course I do Junior. Dont you read my posts to you in all the other posts? I believe I adressed GWB in the last one and AGAIN you ignore ALL legitimate points and facts while you cherrypick info to make weak cases and spout poorly thought out nonsense.

ironglow · « **Reply #15 on:** June 14, 2011, 02:04:51 AM »

When GWB left office gas was $1.83 per gallon, now it is $3.86 per gallon (nat avg).. both BHO and his energy secy Mr Chu, said we (Americans) must start paying for gas, what the socialist countries of Europe do.
When GWB was pres, I could get the big can of Coffee for about $5.95, now it's $10.95. Even a basic McDonald's meal was about $3.70...now it's about $6.00. You don't have to go into reports or 'stats' for that; we can see the difference for ourselves every day ! OPf course, the Obama's don't know about McDonalds or what the big can of coffee costs, they're putting their meals and lavish parties for rap singers and revolutionaries... on OUR tab.
It's just B. Hussein's way of "spreading the wealth around" ! The wealth USA used to have; being spread to China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Libya, Egypt and all the others he feels are more deserving than we..

Spencer, Carey · « **Reply #16 on:** June 14, 2011, 02:11:22 AM »

Damn skippin Ironglow!!!

BUGEYE · « **Reply #17 on:** June 14, 2011, 03:20:57 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on June 14, 2011, 02:04:51 AM

When GWB left office gas was $1.83 per gallon, now it is $3.86 per gallon (nat avg).. both BHO and his energy secy Mr Chu, said we (Americans) must start paying for gas, what the socialist countries of Europe do.
When GWB was pres, I could get the big can of Coffee for about $5.95, now it's $10.95. Even a basic McDonald's meal was about $3.70...now it's about $6.00. You don't have to go into reports or 'stats' for that; we can see the difference for ourselves every day ! OPf course, the Obama's don't know about McDonalds or what the big can of coffee costs, they're putting their meals and lavish parties for rap singers and revolutionaries... on OUR tab.
It's just B. Hussein's way of "spreading the wealth around" ! The wealth USA used to have; being spread to China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Libya, Egypt and all the others he feels are more deserving than we..

with prices skyrocketing I feel like I've been demoted to 3rd class citizen. I'm having to look harder at store brands.

Junior1942 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 14, 2011, 03:43:04 AM »

Quote from: Spencer, Carey on June 14, 2011, 01:36:02 AM

Course I do Junior. Dont you read my posts to you in all the other posts? I believe I adressed GWB in the last one and AGAIN you ignore ALL legitimate points and facts while you cherrypick info to make weak cases and spout poorly thought out nonsense.

I wonder why GWB STARTED a massive bailout program near the end of his last year in office? It wasn't to prevent an economic collaspe, huh? So why do you blame Obama for things which started on GWB's watch?

BUGEYE · « **Reply #19 on:** June 14, 2011, 04:37:01 AM »

when the idiot-in-chief was sworn in, everything from that point was his.
GWB was between a rock and a hard place. he was dealing with bad policy put in place by kennedy and his gang of theives. fannie mae and freddy mac was nothing more than a plan to buy votes.
I don't give GWB a free ride. his "no child left behind" was the stupidest thing he ever did.

Junior1942 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 14, 2011, 04:40:09 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on June 14, 2011, 04:37:01 AM

when the idiot-in-chief was sworn in, everything from that point was his.
GWB was between a rock and a hard place. he was dealing with bad policy put in place by kennedy and his gang of theives. fannie mae and freddy mac was nothing more than a plan to buy votes.
I don't give GWB a free ride. his "no child left behind" was the stupidest thing he ever did.

No, "regime change" was the stupidest thing he ever did. In fact, it was the stupidest thing any president ever did.

magooch · « **Reply #21 on:** June 14, 2011, 05:02:57 AM »

Junior, you seem to conveniently forget that the Dumycrats were totally in charge of the Congress from 2007 on. President Bush tried to make changes, but the Dumycrat Congress let GWB know that anything that came from the White House was dead on arrival.

powderman · « **Reply #22 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:02:52 AM »

Quote from: magooch on June 14, 2011, 05:02:57 AM

Junior, you seem to conveniently forget that the Dumycrats were totally in charge of the Congress from 2007 on. President Bush tried to make changes, but the Dumycrat Congress let GWB know that anything that came from the White House was dead on arrival.

MAGOOCH. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN.

Junior1942 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:30:46 AM »

Quote from: magooch on June 14, 2011, 05:02:57 AM

Junior, you seem to conveniently forget that the Dumycrats were totally in charge of the Congress from 2007 on. President Bush tried to make changes, but the Dumycrat Congress let GWB know that anything that came from the White House was dead on arrival.

Have you conveniently forgotten that Bush had veto power?

nw_hunter · « **Reply #24 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:41:45 AM »

Quote from: Junior1942 on June 13, 2011, 01:54:51 PM

>Imagine..some who made the mistake of voting in ~~B. Hussein~~ GWB and financially ruining our country,

I fixed it for you.

Imagine..some who made the mistake of of voting in[ GW and Obama] and financially ruining our country.

I fixed it for the two of you

PS! I was guilty of making the first mistake, but I learned from that mistake. Prob. will never vote for another R or D..............Unless the country comes to it's senses and elects R. Paul to lead the Republicans against the...................(What ever it is that now lives in, what has become the house of ill repute.

Casull · « **Reply #25 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:23:25 AM »

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Quote from: magooch on Today at 09:02:57 AM
Junior, you seem to conveniently forget that the Dumycrats were totally in charge of the Congress from 2007 on. President Bush tried to make changes, but the Dumycrat Congress let GWB know that anything that came from the White House was dead on arrival.

Have you conveniently forgotten that Bush had veto power?

Junior, do you ever read what you wrote before you post it? The above response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Junior1942 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 14, 2011, 09:04:40 AM »

Quote from: Casull on June 14, 2011, 07:23:25 AM

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Quote from: magooch on Today at 09:02:57 AM
Junior, you seem to conveniently forget that the Dumycrats were totally in charge of the Congress from 2007 on. President Bush tried to make changes, but the Dumycrat Congress let GWB know that anything that came from the White House was dead on arrival.

Have you conveniently forgotten that Bush had veto power?

Junior, do you ever read what you wrote before you post it? The above response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Read the post to which I replied. To spell it out for you, why didn't Bush veto congress's spending bills? Answer: (1) Rumsfeld & Cheney said no. It might cause problems with their regime change war. (2) He was on vacation in Crawford. (3) He thought his tax cuts for billionaires would offset any economic problems caused by wasteful spending. (4) See #2.

Is it all clear now?

Casull · « **Reply #27 on:** June 14, 2011, 09:56:17 AM »

Clear as mud, junior. The post spoke about the demonrats letting Bush know that anything he tried to do would be dead on arrival, and then you asked about his veto power. That makes no sense. How could he veto their refusal to consider anything he tried? Does that clear it up for you?

Junior1942 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 14, 2011, 10:13:21 AM »

Quote from: Casull on June 14, 2011, 09:56:17 AM

Clear as mud, junior. The post spoke about the demonrats letting Bush know that anything he tried to do would be dead on arrival, and then you asked about his veto power. That makes no sense. How could he veto their refusal to consider anything he tried? Does that clear it up for you?

Clear as mud.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2011, 10:22:06 AM »

Quote from: Junior1942 on June 14, 2011, 06:30:46 AM

Have you conveniently forgotten that Bush had veto power?

Jr - Do you have any idea how a bill becomes law? If you did, you wouldn't be posting things like this.

Right, "Clear as Mud"!

Or should I repeat your saying? "Say what?"