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Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« on: June 11, 2011, 04:21:42 AM »
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18 yo punk pushed and intimidated a 64 year old teacher. She pops him a couple times. Was arrested, but charges were dropped, ruled as self defense.
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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2011, 04:30:19 AM »
Good for her. She needs a RAISE and a medal. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2011, 03:51:38 PM »
Good for her.  Intimidate the teacher?  In her own classroom?  Now THAT's and education and the School Board/Principal still trying to determine whether she has a job next year?  Come on Man!  Give that lady a raise!   

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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2011, 04:30:09 PM »
When a person is threatened, that person will either fight or retreat. This lady had nowhere to retreat. What would a reasonable person expect her to do?

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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2011, 05:46:15 PM »
 the kid made first contact I do not blame the teacher one bit the fowl mouthed kid should of been the one in the cop car in cuffs D Crockett

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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2011, 05:59:11 PM »
The only thing I see is the teacher needs to follow up with a left.  ;)
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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2011, 06:14:03 PM »
Any some wonder why unions are needed.

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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2011, 06:18:43 PM »
Why doesn't this happen in private schools, because they are screened out of the equation. I wonder if he will be attending classes in that school in the future. If it were a private school, he would be out for good. Not necessarily so in a public school setting. I know many cases were teachers were cursed at, spit upon and hit. There are different rules/laws pertaining to public education. Remember this incident the next time you so easily criticize teaching.

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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2011, 03:01:36 AM »
welcome to the future.
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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2011, 03:47:38 AM »
He was an 18 year old senior, so no next year at that school. Maybe college? I believe FL has college paid via the lottery if you meet a required GPA in high school. Maybe a professor will clean his clock next.  :D
 What I can't understand is if the DA's office found insufficient evidence to prosecute and ruled it self defense. Why wasn't the little punk charged with assault, at the least harassment or disorderly? I was impressed that a 64 year old lady was able to pop his head back on the second punch.
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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2011, 08:45:13 AM »
Any some wonder why unions are needed.

God Bless her for standing her ground and putting this punk in his place, but why does she need a union to protect her of her rights? There are many of us that do just fine without a union. So what makes it any different with teachers? Put the shoe on the other foot, and say that this teacher started the confrontation. The union would be there protecting her all the same. There is no good or bad, or right and wrong when it comes to union protection. Its the reason bad teachers get protected from being fired, way more often than good teachers.
If you were running a business, and were told that you will not be able to fire any people that are bad performers, and you would have to pay them the same money that you pay your best people. How competitive do you think that business would be? Could this be the reason unionized private sector workers number only 7%?
 Why would good teachers need protected by a union anyway? Their performance would speak for itself. There are laws that protect people in the work place from wrongly being accused, as is in this case.  After all, prosecutors did agree that she was in the right. The union had nothing to do with saving her job. It was a matter of her being right and the punk being wrong.
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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2011, 10:13:47 AM »
Any some wonder why unions are needed.

God Bless her for standing her ground and putting this punk in his place, but why does she need a union to protect her of her rights? There are many of us that do just fine without a union. So what makes it any different with teachers? Put the shoe on the other foot, and say that this teacher started the confrontation. The union would be there protecting her all the same. There is no good or bad, or right and wrong when it comes to union protection. Its the reason bad teachers get protected from being fired, way more often than good teachers.
If you were running a business, and were told that you will not be able to fire any people that are bad performers, and you would have to pay them the same money that you pay your best people. How competitive do you think that business would be? Could this be the reason unionized private sector workers number only 7%?
 Why would good teachers need protected by a union anyway? Their performance would speak for itself. There are laws that protect people in the work place from wrongly being accused, as is in this case.  After all, prosecutors did agree that she was in the right. The union had nothing to do with saving her job. It was a matter of her being right and the punk being wrong.
Let's wait and see.

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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2011, 10:35:43 AM »
Any some wonder why unions are needed.

God Bless her for standing her ground and putting this punk in his place, but why does she need a union to protect her of her rights? There are many of us that do just fine without a union. So what makes it any different with teachers? Put the shoe on the other foot, and say that this teacher started the confrontation. The union would be there protecting her all the same. There is no good or bad, or right and wrong when it comes to union protection. Its the reason bad teachers get protected from being fired, way more often than good teachers.
If you were running a business, and were told that you will not be able to fire any people that are bad performers, and you would have to pay them the same money that you pay your best people. How competitive do you think that business would be? Could this be the reason unionized private sector workers number only 7%?
 Why would good teachers need protected by a union anyway? Their performance would speak for itself. There are laws that protect people in the work place from wrongly being accused, as is in this case.  After all, prosecutors did agree that she was in the right. The union had nothing to do with saving her job. It was a matter of her being right and the punk being wrong.
You obviously don't understand how things work in a school system.

Obviously from your reply, you know how things work in a school system, so why don't you go ahead and tell me.
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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2011, 10:39:24 AM »
Any some wonder why unions are needed.

God Bless her for standing her ground and putting this punk in his place, but why does she need a union to protect her of her rights? There are many of us that do just fine without a union. So what makes it any different with teachers? Put the shoe on the other foot, and say that this teacher started the confrontation. The union would be there protecting her all the same. There is no good or bad, or right and wrong when it comes to union protection. Its the reason bad teachers get protected from being fired, way more often than good teachers.
If you were running a business, and were told that you will not be able to fire any people that are bad performers, and you would have to pay them the same money that you pay your best people. How competitive do you think that business would be? Could this be the reason unionized private sector workers number only 7%?
 Why would good teachers need protected by a union anyway? Their performance would speak for itself. There are laws that protect people in the work place from wrongly being accused, as is in this case.  After all, prosecutors did agree that she was in the right. The union had nothing to do with saving her job. It was a matter of her being right and the punk being wrong.
You obviously don't understand how things work in a school system.

Obviously from your reply, you know how things work in a school system, so why don't you go ahead and tell me.
Alot depends on the make up of the school district. Who is on the school board and the superintendent. Like I said. Let's wait and see.

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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2011, 01:37:56 PM »
Any some wonder why unions are needed.

"The school district is still hasnt decided if she still has a job or not." Where is the union on this?They should be picketting and protesting this school. This is cut and dry she shouldnt be wondering if she still has a job or not she should just be instructed to report for work as usual.
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Re: Charges dropped on FL teacher defending herself
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2011, 01:41:07 PM »
It depends on the school district's lawyer(s). They will advise the school board and administration to make a decision that will most likely cost the district the least. About her or her career, they probably care not at all, especially if she teaches in a large district. Just because charges were dropped, doesn't mean she'll still have her job. A lot depends on the wording of her contract.

My perception is that she will be lucky to ever teach another day.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2011, 02:25:37 PM »
It depends on the school district's lawyer(s). They will advise the school board and administration to make a decision that will most likely cost the district the least. About her or her career, they probably care not at all, especially if she teaches in a large district. Just because charges were dropped, doesn't mean she'll still have her job. A lot depends on the wording of her contract.

My perception is that she will be lucky to ever teach another day.
The union, if she is in one, will probably wait until a final decision has been made before they do something. Enter the lawyers. Than it becomes what is both PR and financially better for the district. Plus - since she is a senior teacher; she is probably at the top of her pay scale. Another incentive to " let her go."

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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2011, 02:54:49 PM »
Any some wonder why unions are needed.

God Bless her for standing her ground and putting this punk in his place, but why does she need a union to protect her of her rights? There are many of us that do just fine without a union. So what makes it any different with teachers? Put the shoe on the other foot, and say that this teacher started the confrontation. The union would be there protecting her all the same. There is no good or bad, or right and wrong when it comes to union protection. Its the reason bad teachers get protected from being fired, way more often than good teachers.
If you were running a business, and were told that you will not be able to fire any people that are bad performers, and you would have to pay them the same money that you pay your best people. How competitive do you think that business would be? Could this be the reason unionized private sector workers number only 7%?
 Why would good teachers need protected by a union anyway? Their performance would speak for itself. There are laws that protect people in the work place from wrongly being accused, as is in this case.  After all, prosecutors did agree that she was in the right. The union had nothing to do with saving her job. It was a matter of her being right and the punk being wrong.
Boy, are you naive !!!. If everything worked fairly ;there would be no need for lawyers.

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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2011, 03:52:30 PM »
Oh, did I say something about not needing lawyers? What I was talking about was
 your thinking that teachers need a union to protect their job, Or are we shifting the discussion to how things aren't fair in the world?
 
Like I said many businesses, and the people working for the businesses are doing just fine without a union. In fact somewhere around 93% of the private workforce is doing just fine, without being socialized by a union.   
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2011, 04:04:03 PM »
Oh, did I say something about not needing lawyers? What I was talking about was
 your thinking that teachers need a union to protect their job, Or are we shifting the discussion to how things aren't fair in the world?
 
Like I said many businesses, and the people working for the businesses are doing just fine without a union. In fact somewhere around 93% of the private workforce is doing just fine, without being socialized by a union.
One reason most teachers belong to a union is they get legal protection with their membership. That is a big plus when teachers can be accused of many false accusations

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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2011, 06:38:59 AM »
The union, if she is in one, will probably wait until a final decision has been made before they do something. Enter the lawyers. Than it becomes what is both PR and financially better for the district. Plus - since she is a senior teacher; she is probably at the top of her pay scale. Another incentive to " let her go."

So what you are saying is even though this is clearly a case of self defense the union will wait and see what happens in the "polls" before they decide whether or not to stick up for a dues paying member. -Sounds just like the utterly worthless EMS union I was once a member of-"You pay us dues-we give you nothing in return"...wait thats not completely true-they did send me a card in the mail near every election day commanding me who to vote for. It worked good in the fireplace to get the kindling wood burning.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2011, 07:34:27 AM »
The union, if she is in one, will probably wait until a final decision has been made before they do something. Enter the lawyers. Than it becomes what is both PR and financially better for the district. Plus - since she is a senior teacher; she is probably at the top of her pay scale. Another incentive to " let her go."


So what you are saying is even though this is clearly a case of self defense the union will wait and see what happens in the "polls" before they decide whether or not to stick up for a dues paying member. -Sounds just like the utterly worthless EMS union I was once a member of-"You pay us dues-we give you nothing in return"...wait thats not completely true-they did send me a card in the mail near every election day commanding me who to vote for. It worked good in the fireplace to get the kindling wood burning.
No .-what I'm saying is -there has to be a case before anything is done legally.I'm sure the union has given their side, whether it's listened to is another story. If the teacher didn't belong to a union that represents her, imagine the legal costs that person would be responsible for out of pocket.

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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2011, 09:08:46 AM »
The fact that this woman's employment is even in question is ridiculous. No decision has been made so the union cant persue any legal solution but they are free to march and protest and we all know a teachers union is perfectly capable of doing that. It doesnt appear they are doing that. So much for solidarity. Maybe the next teacher that is attacked by a student will just lie down and take the beating so they dont have to fear for their job.
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2011, 09:48:27 AM »
All I'll say is -Being a teacher isn't as easy as some think.

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2011, 01:49:53 PM »

  If the teacher didn't belong to a union that represents her, imagine the legal costs that person would be responsible for out of pocket.

Just imagine how much money she would have if the corrupt union didn’t take her money for the last how many years, and spend it on political contributions, gifts, and grants, that funds mostly left wing, non education related causes. I really don't understand your support for the NEA and its like XD. Mainly because the union is a honey pot for left-wing political causes that have nothing to do with teachers, much less students.

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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2011, 02:12:11 PM »
All I'll say is -Being a teacher isn't as easy as some think.

Really???  It's not nearly as hard as most teachers would have you believe.  But then again, few teachers have held a position in the real world the students and their parents have to face so how could they know?

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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2011, 02:37:29 PM »
All I'll say is -Being a teacher isn't as easy as some think.

Really???  It's not nearly as hard as most teachers would have you believe.  But then again, few teachers have held a position in the real world the students and their parents have to face so how could they know?
Really. I have held many jobs outside of teaching. Alot of factory and construction work along with loading dock work at yellow freight. I know what it is to work outside the teaching world.. While the Factory and construction and loading dock work for Yellow Freight were physically more demanding- the mental stress in teaching is much harder. So you see, I have experience both worlds.
Now tell me of your teaching experience so you can make an honest comparison.
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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2011, 02:41:57 PM »

  If the teacher didn't belong to a union that represents her, imagine the legal costs that person would be responsible for out of pocket.
I
Just imagine how much money she would have if the corrupt union didn’t take her money for the last how many years, and spend it on political contributions, gifts, and grants, that funds mostly left wing, non education related causes. I really don't understand your support for the NEA and its like XD. Mainly because the union is a honey pot for left-wing political causes that have nothing to do with teachers, much less students.
I agree with you.   I don't support the NEA. Never did. Don't like what they stand for and they should have never gotten involved in the politics of things. Alot of teachers believe the way I do. It's just no published by NEA for obvious reasons.I supported my local union.

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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2011, 02:42:51 PM »
Indicator 5:
Nonfatal Teacher Victimization at School
Over the 5-year period from 1999 through 2003, teachers reported being victims of nonfatal crimes at a rate of 39 crimes per 1,000 teachers annually, including 25 thefts and 14 violent crimes.
Much like their students, teachers can also be targets of violence and theft in schools. The personal toll violence may take on teachers can lead to safety concerns and may interfere with their ability to teach. Moreover, the cumulative effects of these concerns may ultimately cause a teacher to leave the profession (Scheckner et al. 2002; Ingersoll 2001). Looking at the number of crimes against teachers at school can demonstrate the extent of the problem. The National Crime Victimization Survey provides information about teacher victimization by collecting data on the occupations of its respondents. The survey reports offenses committed against teachers at school by both students and others.

Annually, from 1999 through 2003, teachers were the victims of approximately 183,000 total nonfatal crimes at school, including 119,000 thefts and 65,000 violent crimes (rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault; table 5.1).9 Among the violent crimes committed against teachers during this 5-year period, there were about 7,000 serious violent crimes annually, including rape, sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault. On average, these figures translate into an annual rate of 39 crimes per 1,000 teachers, including 25 thefts and 14 violent crimes (including 2 serious violent crimes), per 1,000 teachers.10

The average annual rate of violent victimization for teachers varied according to their sex, instructional level,11 and urbanicity (figure 5.1 and table 5.1). From 1999 through 2003, male teachers were more likely than female teachers to be victims of violent crimes (22 vs. 11 crimes per 1,000 teachers annually). Senior high school teachers were more likely than elementary school teachers to be victims of violent crimes (22 vs. 9 violent crimes per 1,000 teachers annually). In addition, annually over the 5-year period, urban teachers were more likely than rural and suburban teachers to be victims of violent crimes (20 vs. 9 and 7 crimes per 1,000 teachers, respectively). No differences were detected in the likelihood of teachers being victimized by violent crime according to their race/ethnicity.

Few differences were detected according to teacher characteristics in the rate of theft from 1999 through 2003, with the exceptions that White teachers were more likely than Black teachers to be victimized in this way (27 vs. 15 thefts per 1,000 teachers annually) and senior high school teachers were more likely than elementary school teachers to be victimized (36 vs. 20 thefts per 1,000 teachers annually).


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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2011, 05:28:31 PM »
All I'll say is -Being a teacher isn't as easy as some think.

Really???  It's not nearly as hard as most teachers would have you believe.  But then again, few teachers have held a position in the real world the students and their parents have to face so how could they know?
Really. I have held many jobs outside of teaching. Alot of factory and construction work along with loading dock work at yellow freight. I know what it is to work outside the teaching world.. While the Factory and construction and loading dock work for Yellow Freight were physically more demanding- the mental stress in teaching is much harder. So you see, I have experience both worlds.
Now tell me of your teaching experience so you can make an honest comparison.
 ;)
Nothing - Didn't think so!!!!