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Offline LanceR

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Big game age for archery is down to 12 years
« on: June 11, 2011, 04:32:29 AM »
The bill to reduce the age for big game hunting to 12 years was signed by the Governor on the 17th of May.  It should be in effect this season.  Fortunately it was acted on in time for the 2011-2012 hunting and trapping guide to have the new info.  The training, parental permission and the other parts of the regulations and law are the same as they were before the age drop.

Also, the bills to allow the DEC to designate dates for free fishing for veterans involved in rehabilitation events passed both the Senate and the Assembly unanimously.  The Governor's office will only say that he acted on the bill and did not veto it but they will not be more specific than that until a press announcement is released.

Both those bills have taken between two and three years to get moved forward but at least we are making some progress.

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Re: Big game age for archery is down to 12 years
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 10:40:39 AM »
That's great news!!!
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Re: Big game age for archery is down to 12 years
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2011, 04:47:09 AM »
Now the next goal is to get the big game gun age down to 12 years.  Based on past experience that will take 2-3 years.

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Re: Big game age for archery is down to 12 years
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2011, 12:20:16 PM »
Just spoke to some family friends who are from Arkansas.  No age limitations on any kind of hunting.
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Re: Big game age for archery is down to 12 years
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2011, 05:03:50 AM »
im just wondering if the average 12 year old can pull enough to do a good job on big game.
im not saying low poundage wont kill but as far as a blood trail a hole in dose not always mean there will be blood on the ground.
 it would be in my eyes better to have the kids learn with shot gun to do the job right. then at 14 they could bow hunt. just my two cents :o ok cent and ahalf 8)
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Re: Big game age for archery is down to 12 years
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2011, 06:21:32 AM »
im just wondering if the average 12 year old can pull enough to do a good job on big game.
im not saying low poundage wont kill but as far as a blood trail a hole in dose not always mean there will be blood on the ground.
 it would be in my eyes better to have the kids learn with shot gun to do the job right. then at 14 they could bow hunt. just my two cents :o ok cent and ahalf 8)
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I agree on your "performance" based archey hunt.  At twelve I regularly shot a 50# recurve, I was over bowed but it was that thing or nuttin'. I was also >6' tall when I entered 7th grade and was deemed to big to play football that fall on the youth league. I am still harboring a bit of a grudge against the hobbits of the world ;).

Many advances in equipment, and understanding what it takes to kill deer with an arrow have occured in the last 35 years. The fact that for the most part deer have become an over populated nuisance doesn't hurt either.

If you can operate the legal minimum  equipment, and have the desire, I say go forth and hunt, leave the birth certificate at home.
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Re: Big game age for archery is down to 12 years
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2011, 05:11:26 AM »
All food for thought.

The minimum draw weight requirement in NY for bows is 35 pounds.  The experience of thousands of successful youngsters nationwide has proven that 12 year old and younger archers can kill deer humanely and competently. with bows in that weight range

In my years of teaching archery for general recreation, hunting and competition my experience has been that most hunters are using a more powerful bow than is needed and their ability to shoot well while hunting tends to suffer.  Whether you can draw the bow while standing and repeatedly shooting is not the issue.  Whether you can draw the bow smoothly and quietly when you are tired, cold, stiff, sitting in a stand and turned halfway around is the important thing.  Many folks find that the bow that was easy to shoot well in practice is not easy to shoot while hunting.

Once you get past 50 pounds with a modern compound bow the only thing a higher draw weight gets you is an arrow deeper in the dirt on the other side of the deer.

Higher draw weights need stiffer, heavier arrow shafts and the claimed speed advantage of nearly all manufacturers is really pretty minimal.  You certainly do get an arrow with higher sectional density and better penetration but with modern broadheads most any arrow will pass through with a chest shot anyway.

I use a 60 pound bow set at 53-54 pounds and get consistent pass through performance with Easton Axis Slim Tech carbon arrows and 100 grain Montec G5 broadheads.

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PS:  When I was stationed in West Berlin everybody had to pass an annual marksmanship test to hunt either there or in West Germany.  It was done as a social event and required you to shoot at a standing deer target at 100 meters from the standing unsupported position.  You then shot at a standing boar target from kneeling and a sitting fox from sitting at 50 meters.

To hunt birds with a shotgun you shot a 15 bird modified round each of skeet and trap.

It was always a lot of fun and a chance to have some friendly competition with your hunting buddies.

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Re: Big game age for archery is down to 12 years
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 10:57:39 AM »
I think the biggest mistake would be to try and force youngsters into bowhunting,just encourage them to give it a try and some will actually like it. I did this with a 16yr old a few years back he had only his (over protective) mother so he wasn't really allowed to grow up. He had never been around firearms of any kind,and while I was getting prepared for fall by practicing he got curious. Since I only had the one bow I went ahead and taught him on my bow and he learned alot over the summer and when fall came he got to use my bow first and within a week he got his deer with a perfect hit. As excited and proud as he was about it he never went again and I didn't push him. He's 22 now but the decission was his.