Author Topic: Republican support for Gadhafi ??? (Read 2656 times)

Junior1942 · « **on:** June 16, 2011, 10:19:41 AM »

Would someone explain the Republican support for Gadhafi?? He's been hurting the USA for many years, or so I thought. Do y'all like the guy???

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110616/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_libya

powderman · « **Reply #1 on:** June 16, 2011, 10:36:15 AM »

junior. Whats your point?? No, I don't support gadhafi, or the obaminations war against him. Ghadafi hates al queda and the muslim brotherhood, the big os friends, thats why the obamination wants him gone. WE have no business there, and it's costing us $2 million a day. POWDERMAN.

lakota · « **Reply #2 on:** June 16, 2011, 11:08:46 AM »

Please explain how a two bit dictator of an armpit country in the middle east is hurting the USA.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #3 on:** June 16, 2011, 12:05:04 PM »

Junior I think the better question is, why is Obama supporting al qaeda in his illegal war?

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** June 16, 2011, 12:25:34 PM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on June 16, 2011, 12:05:04 PM

Junior I think the better question is, why is Obama supporting al qaeda in his illegal war?

YEP, he sure is, and arming them which will later be used to kill Americans. POWDERMAN.

jimster · « **Reply #5 on:** June 16, 2011, 01:07:47 PM »

Quote from: Junior1942 on June 16, 2011, 10:19:41 AM

Would someone explain the Republican support for Gadhafi?? He's been hurting the USA for many years, or so I thought. Do y'all like the guy???

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110616/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_libya

Prime example of someone probably with no sons or daughters in the military, so no problem sacrificing other people's to make a worthless backwards political point that makes no sense at all. These people don't even realize who they are fighting or helping in these wars...only that they voted for some schmuck/party and somehow must defend anything they do...with the lives of our people. Easy sacrifice for them. Hard for me.

There ain't no fixing this...these people are like robots, programmed not to think or feel or even care, just politics is all that matters, watching your kid go away with his bdu's on means nothing to them.

I try to stay away from people like this much as possible so I don't wind up slappin em and getting into trouble for it. I fear I would not stop until my arms got tired. No wonder I spend most of my time at home and away form the public.

Junior1942 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 16, 2011, 01:53:47 PM »

Quote from: jimster on June 16, 2011, 01:07:47 PM

Quote from: Junior1942 on June 16, 2011, 10:19:41 AM
Would someone explain the Republican support for Gadhafi?? He's been hurting the USA for many years, or so I thought. Do y'all like the guy???

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110616/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_libya

Prime example of someone probably with no sons or daughters in the military, so no problem sacrificing other people's to make a worthless backwards political point that makes no sense at all. These people don't even realize who they are fighting or helping in these wars...only that they voted for some schmuck/party and somehow must defend anything they do...with the lives of our people. Easy sacrifice for them. Hard for me.

There ain't no fixing this...these people are like robots, programmed not to think or feel or even care, just politics is all that matters, watching your kid go away with his bdu's on means nothing to them.

I try to stay away from people like this much as possible so I don't wind up slappin em and getting into trouble for it. I fear I would not stop until my arms got tired. No wonder I spend most of my time at home and away form the public.

Are you talking about me or the writer of the article? If it's me, understand that I'm about as pro-US military as they come. I spent 4+ years in the Navy, my younger brother spent 28+ years in the Army and retired a general, and my youngest brother spent 4+ years in the Marines.

I'm simply wondering why Republicans are suddenly standing behind an old enemy. I agree 100 % with REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN who said recently to his fellow Republicans, "Is this the time to ride to the rescue of the man who President Reagan called the mad dog of the Middle East?"

ironglow · « **Reply #7 on:** June 16, 2011, 02:21:38 PM »

Junior;
I guess they are not fired up about "getting Ghadaffi" an old enemy...because they are a bit hesitant to arm and enter into action beside "Al Queda" a new and perhaps more virulent enemy !
Our Navy planes have bombed Libya, we have furnished info to to one participant...even Ghadaffi's home place was bombed..killing two members of his family, including a son.
The biggest guffaw of all is when questioned, B. Hussein claimed there are "no hostilities taking place".

Speaker of the house says it doesn’t fly with him;

“The White House says there are no hostilities taking place, yet we’ve got drone attacks under way, we’re spending $10 million a day, [and] part of the mission is to drop bombs on [Libyan dictator Moammar] Gadhafi’s compound,” Boehner said. “That doesn’t pass the straight-face test, in my view, that we’re not in the midst of hostilities.”

If aircraft from a foreign power were bombing your house and killed family members, would you class that as "hostilities" ?

JASmith · « **Reply #8 on:** June 16, 2011, 02:25:16 PM »

We have a long history of developing positive relationships and alliances with former enemies.

The best way to look at this is "How much trouble has Libya caused the US since Operation Diablo Canyon?

There are subtleties and subtleties...

There's also the possibility I fear most: "I'm against anything you're for!"

jimster · « **Reply #9 on:** June 16, 2011, 02:36:08 PM »

Well I'm not a republican, and I'm not standing behind anyone, we got no business over there, or anywhere in the middle east for that matter.

I don't think anything over there is worth one American life, never has been. That does not mean I'm not pro military either.

I'm talking about anyone who gets so caught up into this rep vs dem thing they forget that in itself is getting people killed.

Far as the article goes...I read it, I found nothing in there that points to republicans supporting Gadhafi, sounds to me like they don't like the idea of us getting involved in another war.

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Would someone explain the Republican support for Gadhafi?? He's been hurting the USA for many years, or so I thought. Do y'all like the guy???

The statement above was from you...not the article...no? I didn't find that in the article you posted.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2011, 02:50:40 PM »

Quote from: JASmith on June 16, 2011, 02:25:16 PM

We have a long history of developing positive relationships and alliances with former enemies.

The best way to look at this is "How much trouble has Libya caused the US since Operation Diablo Canyon?

There are subtleties and subtleties...

There's also the possibility I fear most: "I'm against anything you're for!"

Who is the former enemy, Gadhafi or al qaeda?

JASmith · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2011, 03:03:17 PM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on June 16, 2011, 02:50:40 PM

Who is the former enemy, Gadhafi or al qaeda?

Another quotation: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Confusing enough?

Consider the fraction of our GDP we devote to "eradicating" al-Qaeda and how much we could spend if we were truly serious.

Problem is, fielding a million-plus troops to do the job right means a service several time larger than what we have now. Plus it might ruffle feathers in a bunch of places.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2011, 03:11:53 PM »

Quote from: JASmith on June 16, 2011, 03:03:17 PM

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on June 16, 2011, 02:50:40 PM
Who is the former enemy, Gadhafi or al qaeda?
Another quotation: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Confusing enough?

Consider the fraction of our GDP we devote to "eradicating" al-Qaeda and how much we could spend if we were truly serious.

Problem is, fielding a million-plus troops to do the job right means a service several time larger than what we have now. Plus it might ruffle feathers in a bunch of places.

How about we send TSA?

magooch · « **Reply #13 on:** June 16, 2011, 04:35:45 PM »

I think the prime concern of most Republicans is that when a Republican President gets in a serious military conflict the Dumycrats always insist that they get Congressional authorization. Dumycrats let it slide when a Dumycrat is in the White House.

BBF · « **Reply #14 on:** June 17, 2011, 11:07:37 AM »

Quote from: powderman on June 16, 2011, 12:25:34 PM

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on June 16, 2011, 12:05:04 PM
Junior I think the better question is, why is Obama supporting al qaeda in his illegal war?

YEP, he sure is, and arming them which will later be used to kill Americans. POWDERMAN.

Excellent reason for NOT being there.

BBF · « **Reply #15 on:** June 17, 2011, 11:14:23 AM »

Quote from: jimster on June 16, 2011, 02:36:08 PM

Well I'm not a republican, and I'm not standing behind anyone, we got no business over there, or anywhere in the middle east for that matter.

I don't think anything over there is worth one American life, never has been. That does not mean I'm not pro military either.

Excellent points, I'll Second that.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #16 on:** June 17, 2011, 12:48:08 PM »

If Obama was a real American, he would have used American veto power to stop the war before it happened. Instead he illegally started the war without congressional approval. The excuse that the UN ordered it is the poorest I heard in my life. We do not take orders from the UN, we take orders from the constitution. Only congress can declare war.

DDZ · « **Reply #17 on:** June 17, 2011, 12:55:58 PM »

Obama believes that us going into Libya was perfectly ok because the UN security legitimized it. He also claimed that the U.S. military’s involvement falls under his constitutional authority as commander in chief and his power to conduct foreign relations. He also claims claims that its actions are not governed by the War Powers Act because the U.S. involvement does not constitute “hostilities” I guess it all depends on what your definition of hostilities is.
Evidently dropping bombs on another country are not hostilities in Obama's mind.

Didn't I read on another thread here not long ago about how Obama knew the Constitution more than anyone, because he studied it at an institute of higher learning? I guess he might have dozed off during the study of Article one section eight of the Constitution. Either that or he just doesn't care what the Constitution states. I think its the latter.

powderman · « **Reply #18 on:** June 17, 2011, 01:08:19 PM »

The un was doing nothing til the obamination started the air strikes to help al queda. POWDERMAN.

BBF · « **Reply #19 on:** June 18, 2011, 04:27:20 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on June 18, 2011, 03:48:37 AM

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on June 16, 2011, 12:05:04 PM
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........................ The USA was called in because that is what the role of the USA is now defined as...i.e. the world's mercenary....nice!

..TM7
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perhaps S t u r m t r u p p e n

BBF · « **Reply #20 on:** June 18, 2011, 04:47:08 AM »

Why not? There is so much smoke and mirror stuff going on I think that it is at least possible.

ironglow · « **Reply #21 on:** June 18, 2011, 08:20:04 AM »

TM says;
"The attack on Lybia is Euro led...French and Brit...over banking and oil rights. Lybia was a very successful and prosperous country to the exclusion of Euro elite interest, so it was decided to knock it down. The USA was called in because that is what the role of the USA is now defined as...i.e. the world's mercenary....nice"!

..TM7
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TM;
Good to see you catching on. As I see it, every day it becomes more obvious...Soros with his "Howdy Doody" (BHO) is out to destroy nations and their economies.
Quite a contrast with GW Bush, who was willing to allow Libya to "live and let live".. thereby keeping the Al Queda & Taliban at bay in Libya.
Looks like Soros and thus BHO have different objectives.

Shu · « **Reply #22 on:** June 19, 2011, 07:09:35 AM »

Reasons to like Gadhafi- He provided a stable government in the area without asking for continual handouts. He was keeping radicals on a leash in his country. Gadhafi knows what a few dozen tomahawks, a few very selective air strikes can do. He has a very poor record against the USA. Gadhafi was finally settling down and not being such an knothead.

Reason to dislike Gadhafi- He sponsors terrorist organizations.

The president has gone over the time limit for the emergency war powers act. US planes are still engaging Lybian targets.

Britain and France want the oil and money from Lybia. The US should pull completey out.
Now that US bombs have touched the ground the bleeding hearts will want to spend billions repairing Lybia.

Gadhafi is no doubt a dictator and has no love for the US but he is better than a bunch of radicals that will do nothing more than enflame the mideast even further.
Look at the big picture with all the rebellions in the mideast. Look at the folks taking over these countrys. They are replacing dictators, with more radicals and radical ideologies.

Any government the US helps set up in the mideast will be considered nothing more than a puppet state. That is why the US should pull back and issue a warning- we are watching, mess with us and we will turn one of your major cities into a glass parking lot. Then follow through with the warning.

BBF · « **Reply #23 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:00:22 AM »

Quote from: Shu on June 19, 2011, 07:09:35 AM

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The president has gone over the time limit for the emergency war powers act. US planes are still engaging Lybian targets.

........................we are watching, mess with us and we will turn one of your major cities into a glass parking lot.

That is the problem Shu, nobody excluding 9/11 has messed with you. It is the other way around. Now if the US would have wacked N. Korea real good over the ship( never got it back) and crew they held way back, I could have seen the reason for it.

ironglow · « **Reply #24 on:** June 20, 2011, 01:28:41 PM »

Scatter;
That must have been the USS Pueblo, wasn't it ?

Shu · « **Reply #25 on:** June 20, 2011, 02:58:48 PM »

I am all for NOT meddling in other soveriegn nations. I am for using the full might of the US military when another nation attacks the US or its citizens.

The worlsd is much like the school yard. Don't mess with me and I won't take a 2X4 to you after school.

ironglow · « **Reply #26 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:29:43 AM »

I really believe we will live to regret messing around in Libya, no improvement can come of it, plus we will be even more deeply in debt..but that may just be the Soros/Obama plan...

http://www.eagleworldnews.com/2011/06/10/us-action-in-libya-exceeds-cost-estimates/

SO JUNIOR;
Rather than asking us to explain "the Republican support for Ghadaffi";
Ask rather, to explain... "B. Hussein's support for Al Queda and Hamas"..

Junior1942 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:08:46 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on June 21, 2011, 04:29:43 AM

..... SO JUNIOR;
Rather than asking us to explain "the Republican support for Ghadaffi";
Ask rather, to explain... "B. Hussein's support for Al Queda and Hamas"..

That's easy. It's 100% BS. Republican support for Ghadaffi is 100% true. Would you care to explain how Obama could support al Queda and allow SEALs to kill its leader? Maybe he thinks their new leader would be more effective, huh? Michele and the two Obama girls continuously bug him about when they can wear a burqa, huh?

lakota · « **Reply #28 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:51:42 AM »

So.....You dont even see the slightest bit of hypocrisy in a man who runs for president claiming he will end the wars we are in but once elected not only failing on that promise but then goes and gets us involved in a third war?

ironglow · « **Reply #29 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:02:42 AM »

Junior asks;

" Would you care to explain how Obama could support al Queda and allow SEALs to kill its leader?

Maybe he thinks their new leader would be more effective, huh?

Michele and the two Obama girls continuously bug him about when they can wear a burqa, huh"?
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Answer to all three ? ........."It could be".... Did you see the photo of the Obama women arriving in South Africa yesterday ?
Those robes/flags/ they are wearing, don't look like the Stars & Stripes, do they ?