Author Topic: Pastor Terry Jones physically barred from muslim festival in dearborn. (Read 1810 times)

powderman · « **on:** June 20, 2011, 08:39:59 AM »

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005689/Koran-burning-pastor-Terry-Jones-attacked-street-way-Muslim-festival.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Looking for trouble??, possibly. If the supremes can say the westboro cult has the right to mock and disrespect our dead soldiers then he has the right to be in dearborn. Wheres all the love, peace and tolererance from the religion of peace?? POWDERMAN.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2011, 12:01:15 AM »

Quote from: powderman on June 20, 2011, 08:39:59 AM

If the supremes can say the westboro cult has the right to mock and disrespect our dead soldiers then he has the right to be in dearborn. Wheres all the love, peace and tolererance from the religion of peace?? POWDERMAN.

Now... what kind of love did Muslims fail to show this fellow you're talking about? Why did he want to attend their (Muslims') festival, anyhow? Are you thinking the Muslims were somehow not.... inclusive enough, because they didn't invite him? Were his feelings hurt? What? Were Muslims not... peaceful towards this 'Pastor' Terry J.? Did they mistreat him?

powderman · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2011, 02:50:27 AM »

yellow. I see you read the title, not the link. POWDERMAN.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:29:29 AM »

Seems as if everyone has free speach rights except Christians. He has a right to say what he wants. Muslims are a cancer. They are looking for their 12 eman who will rule the world and force Islam on the world for 7 years. Hmmm, Jesus said the Anti-Christ will rule for 7 years of great tribulation. Wake up people.

Junior1942 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:38:20 AM »

You ultra-Christians are missing the $ boat. See http://www.doveworld.org/ and note how many ways you can send money to the Rev Dr Terry Jones. He's getting rich promoting religious hatred. You guys do it for nothing!

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:04:15 AM »

I don't agree with what he has done, BUT we live in America where FREEDOM of SPEECH is supposed to be granted. He has a right to speak what he wishes. He shouldn't be attacked and mobbed for it. You don't see conservatives shouting down a liberal speaker even though they don't agree with him. WHERE IS THE TOLERANCE FROM THE LEFT, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS CHRISTIANS. I agree with Pastor Terry Jones, but don't agree with his methods. ISLAM is a cancer to the world. LOOK at their women's rights. LOOK at their tolerance to other religions, not just Christianity, but Hinduism, Buddism, etc. I know an Indian (from India) and he hates Muslims. He said all they do is want to fight, or force people to do things their way. If a Muslim converts to Christianity, they can be killed by their families. They can rape someone of another religion, and not be charged. They are still in the dark ages. Only one generation ago, they were still camel jockies. They haven't gone through a reniasance or reformation. They can be tolerated, but not give in to.

lakota · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:30:13 AM »

If an Imam were denied his "right" to spew his special brand of hatred at a festival of another religion the sky would be falling right now.

I dont get why the left which professes to be the gaurdians of equal rights especially gay rights and womens rights is now waving the banner of Islam a group which will act violently to supress the rights of gays and women. Seems kind of counter productive and stupid.

Casull · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2011, 07:22:05 AM »

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Seems kind of counter productive and stupid.

Remember, lakota, that we are talking about the left (no real surprise there).

wreckhog · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2011, 07:34:07 AM »

I thought that Westboro was banned from the actual funeral. They are not allowed to carry the body for instance.

powderman · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2011, 07:46:03 AM »

Terry Jones is trying to wake the world up to what islam really is, a fast growing vile cancer. I don't agree with some things he has done but agree that the world needs to hear the truth about this godless death cult. The godless ones are proving his point that they are neither peaceful, loving, or tolerant. If he wants to burn satans guidebook to hell, fine by me, just don't advertise it. I can see where doing so would give a person a personal satisfaction in watching satans wordsgo up in flame. POWDERMAN.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:30:27 AM »

Quote from: powderman on June 21, 2011, 02:50:27 AM

yellow. I see you read the title, not the link. POWDERMAN.

you're right. Hang on a sec, let me read the article
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Okay, read it. Sounds like Terry Jones is a first-class ass.

Quote from: powderman on June 20, 2011, 08:39:59 AM

Wheres all the love, peace and tolererance from the religion of peace?? POWDERMAN.

What are you expecting Muslims or authorities there to do? Jackass Jones is there trying to cause trouble - what would you consider an appropriate response on the part of the Muslims he's on his way to insult and harass? Is it your position that Jones is being treated unfairly or unreasonably by Muslims? If so, spell it out.

I understand how he might hold some appeal for you. He hates the same folks. Jones comes across as not too bright, simplistic, sees the world in black and white, and... evinces no fruits of the spirit, at least in public, when comes to people who aren't like him. No love, no peace, no forbearance, no kindness, - none in sight. Nada.

Has the guy ever even heard of the Golden Rule?

BBF · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:43:39 AM »

Did any muslim group ever show up to disrupt Jones on his turf?

lakota · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2011, 09:07:33 AM »

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Did any muslim group ever show up to disrupt Jones on his turf?

They sure have done their best:

Muslims murder occupants of UN office in Afghanistan over "outrage" at koran burning:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/two-beheaded-florida-quran-burning-triggers-massacre-at-un-office-in-afghanistan/

Terry Jones should recieve the "correct punishment" for burning koran:
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/171/117/Muslims_Threaten_Pastor_Terry_Jones.html

Denied entry into UK over fears of violence from Islamic groups.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/20/terry-jones-pastor-who-threatened-to-burn-the-koran-banned-fro/

I guess muslims are free to trash and burn articles of other religions as they see fit but you better not burn theirs!

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2011, 09:32:17 AM »

Why did the Taliban blow up 2,000 year old statues of Buddah in Afganistan? Why do they fight Hindu India? Why do they want to fight the West? Why do they use suicide bombers? Why do they have honor killings? Why do they beat their wives? Why do they treat women as second class or like cattle? When their religion can do without all this and stop it, then maybe we can get along. Until then I would never trust them.

rwng · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2011, 10:15:22 AM »

Being born and raised in that area, (Dearborn) I would think that they could block the celebration in and flush it down the toilet. You know, something actually constructive like that.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2011, 10:32:17 AM »

Quote from: lakota on June 21, 2011, 09:07:33 AM

Quote from: scatterbrain on June 21, 2011, 08:43:39 AM
Did any muslim group ever show up to disrupt Jones on his turf?

They sure have done their best: ...

I looked at your links. Did one of them report Muslims going to confront Jones' church services or BBQ?

lakota · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2011, 11:11:15 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on June 21, 2011, 10:32:17 AM

Quote from: lakota on June 21, 2011, 09:07:33 AM
Quote from: scatterbrain on June 21, 2011, 08:43:39 AM
Did any muslim group ever show up to disrupt Jones on his turf?

They sure have done their best: ...
I looked at your links. None of them indicated any Muslims going to confront Jones' church services or BBQ. Did I miss one?

Where did I write that anyone confronted him directly? I am pretty sure I wrote "They sure have done their best" in reference to muslims attempting to disrupt him. Muslims murdered people and used Terry Jones as an excuse. They would have murdered on that day anyway but at least they had a christian boogey man to blame.

I am so sick of this hypocrisy. One group has the right to speak out with almost absolute impunity while another is silenced out of P.C. concerns. I dont like nor condone Terry Jones or his actions but he has just as much right to run his mouth as a bunch of muslims or anyone else does.

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2011, 12:14:14 PM »

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What are you expecting Muslims or authorities there to do?

The godless ones reacted exactly like they always do, with violence and hatred. They showed no love, peace, or tolerance proving Jones right in what they are. Every question you asked was already answered in the article, read it again. POWDERMAN.

lakota · « **Reply #18 on:** June 21, 2011, 12:27:05 PM »

Try reading again...Denying Jones entry because they are afraid that it might exacerbate the hypocrite religious zealots that already reside there.(spelled M-U-S-L-I-M)

I know its hard to believe but there are viloent muslims out there! Not all of them are running petting zoos or selling ice cream.

"There's also the possibility that Jones' visit could ignite a wave of counter-violence by pro-Islam groups. At the height of the controversy over Jones' threat to burn the Koran, effigies of the pastor were burned in Afghanistan and there was widespread condemnation across the Muslim world. (President Obama, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Gen. David Petraeus all urged Jones not to engage in the provocative act, with Petraeus saying it could endanger U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Americans worldwide.)"

Of course the British government could never go on record with the above claim because the resident muslims would probably respond to the claim with violence.

Casull · « **Reply #19 on:** June 21, 2011, 12:41:22 PM »

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Okay, read it. Sounds like Terry Jones is a first-class ass.

The same would be said by many about the various war protestors, immigrants' rights protestors, civil rights protestors, etc. Yellow, do you support shutting down their 1st Amendment rights as well? Or, is just those you disagree with?

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:02:41 PM »

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Of course the British government could never go on record with the above claim because the resident muslims would probably respond to the claim with violence.

EXACTLY. The brits have allowed themselves to be infected with vermin and now fear them. POWDERMAN.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:17:28 PM »

Quote from: Casull on June 21, 2011, 12:41:22 PM

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Okay, read it. Sounds like Terry Jones is a first-class ass.

Yellow, do you support shutting down their 1st Amendment rights as well?

No, I do not.

Casull · « **Reply #22 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:26:26 PM »

Ok, so it's just the ones you disagree with then.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:35:21 PM »

Quote from: Casull on June 21, 2011, 04:26:26 PM

Ok, so it's just the ones you disagree with then.

No, that's not my position... if it were, I would have so stated. I'll stick around to see if someone comes up with how it is that poor bozo Jones is being mistreated.

Casull · « **Reply #24 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:39:13 PM »

Well, since you edited my response, I had to figure you were ONLY willing to answer the first part and ignore the latter portion.

Casull · « **Reply #25 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:41:11 PM »

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I'll stick around to see if someone comes up with how it is that poor bozo Jones is being mistreated.

I guess having the crowd, in essence, assault him in order to keep him from speaking does not qualify.

powderman · « **Reply #26 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:01:46 PM »

Quote from: Casull on June 21, 2011, 04:41:11 PM

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I'll stick around to see if someone comes up with how it is that poor bozo Jones is being mistreated.

I guess having the crowd, in essence, assault him in order to keep him from speaking does not qualify.

Sure seems like. POWDERMAN.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:07:10 PM »

Quote from: Casull on June 21, 2011, 04:41:11 PM

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I'll stick around to see if someone comes up with how it is that poor bozo Jones is being mistreated.
I guess having the crowd, in essence, assault him in order to keep him from speaking does not qualify.

(shrug) no, doesn't qualify. The state wasn't assaulting him. you could guess that. Let's go back to the title of the thread, and the first post:

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Pastor Terry Jones physically barred from muslim festival in dearborn.... Wheres all the love, peace and tolererance from the religion of peace??

The better question would be, where was Pastor Jones' love, peace and tolerance? One gets the impression that poor Jones was persecuted for exercising his 1st Amendment rights, but that isn't the truth. And by the way... re: this Jones character... isn't his a 'religion of peace', apart from the Westboro loonies and other that want another crusade and to persecute homosexuals... and maybe shoot a few Mexicans at the border?

What Would Jesus Do... ?

Casull · « **Reply #28 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:14:48 PM »

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(shrug) no, doesn't qualify. The state wasn't assaulting him. you could guess that. Let's go back to the title of the thread, and the first post:

(shrug) Very simplistic reasoning. If the state allows some citizens to silence others through illegal means, it is effectively condoning that silencing.

powderman · « **Reply #29 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:30:02 PM »

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What Would Jesus Do... ?

You keep asking that. You claim to be a Christian so you should easily answer your own question. Borrow a Bible and read up on Jesus. You will find that he did not fear to walk into the crowds of heathens, like the godless ones, and preach the word, like Mr Jones was trying to do. When you find the answer to your much asked question please post it here for all of us to read. POWDERMAN.