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New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« on: June 22, 2011, 07:25:53 AM »
I just contacted Ruger a few months ago suggesting they should come out with a .357 rifle to match the LCR .357 as a sidearm.  It must have already been in the works.  Although I would have preferred a Ruger 96 or 99 in  .357 Mag, I may have to pick one of these up...

http://www.ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine77357/models.html
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 08:49:46 AM »
Looks good. I wonder what other calibers there going to come out with?
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 06:04:22 PM »
Jeff Quinn of Gunblast.com will have one for testing tomorrow. Keep a watch for the full report on his website. I'm curious to see if it's barrel is threaded into the receiver, if it has a two-part bolt and if there's anyway that it can be converted to 357 Maximum.

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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2011, 06:56:25 PM »
Jeff Quinn of Gunblast.com will have one for testing tomorrow. Keep a watch for the full report on his website.  I'm curious to see if it's barrel is threaded into the receiver, if it has a two-part bolt and if there's anyway that it can be converted to 357 Maximum.

Thanks, Dinny

I'd like to hear what you find out about possible 357 Maximum mods.

Galleryofguns.com has it listed in their database this evening, but no quantity in stock.

Look forward to a Gunblast.com review as well.
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 07:18:27 PM »
As much as I like the idea of a Bolt Gun in such a rimmed handgun cartridge, it seems a bit on the pricey when compared to a Lever Gun.  Kinda curious as to what type of accuracy it will produce out of the box though.  I think a 357 Maximum version would be a lot more interesting to me anyways.

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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 06:25:40 AM »
Comparing a new Ruger 77/357 to a new Marlin 1894 357 there is not much difference in price.  In fact, the Marlins in stainless steel are even higher.  If the Ruger 77/44 is any indicator, the street price on a Ruger 77/357 will probably be ~$600 after the hype dies down.

What get's me is that just looking at Marlins, new Marlin 336 .30-30 can be found for $350 new.  Compare that to a NIB Marlin 1894 357.
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 06:31:56 AM »
Comparing a new Ruger 77/357 to a new Marlin 1894 357 there is not much difference in price.  In fact, the Marlins in stainless steel are even higher.  If the Ruger 77/44 is any indicator, the street price on a Ruger 77/357 will probably be ~$600 after the hype dies down.

I agree, MSRP is always a fair bit higher and makes gunshop prices seem like a bargain. $600 is still alot more than the price of a H&R Handi rifle, but that's the price for a repeater. I bet all the Ruger 77s in pistol calibers will share the same trigger as their rimfire companions. This will leave us with many aftermarket choices.

Makes we wonder what Randy at CPC can do to accurize them...

http://www.ct-precision.com/


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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2011, 02:36:19 AM »
just never saw a need for bolt action pistol calber guns. Make mine a lever.
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 05:31:04 PM »
If they decided to make a lefty version I'd be interested.
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2011, 07:57:43 AM »
A 357 in a bolt 77 model has no appeal to me at all. So I wonder too why anyone would want one .
Now give us that chambering in a Lever or Auto and I may look over my glass's and see what you got . Something like the M1 30 carbine like gun in 357 . ;)
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2011, 08:58:17 AM »
just never saw a need for bolt action pistol calber guns. Make mine a lever.

Same here... I have no interest at all in these rifles, and never will.
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2011, 09:11:08 AM »
That .357 and a 77/44 would make a fun pair of suppressed guns!  I'll wait to see a review or two and then see about picking one up.  As long as they keep them trim and light in weight, I'd love to have one.  If they let them grow to be full-sized, I'm not interested.  Pistol calibers are big in my mind right now.  I have some '06's, .308's, 6mm's, .223, and 45-70's and even a 6.8 so I don't need anymore bottlenecked rifle cartridges.  Right now my "want" list is comprised of all pistol cartridges with the sole exception of a full-stocked 6.5x55 CZ or M-S.  The other big exception is a .458 SOCOM upper for my AR.

Now if we could just get Ruger to produce an American made copy of the Win 92 in .44, .45, .357 and .327.  I would probably take a loan and buy all four at once...


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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2011, 06:20:53 PM »
Same here... I have no interest at all in these rifles, and never will.


Then why did you bother to post on a thread about them?  ::)



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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2011, 06:32:05 PM »
I want one. It'd be just about perfect for the close woods. ;)



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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2011, 07:38:52 PM »
Same here... I have no interest at all in these rifles, and never will.


Then why did you bother to post on a thread about them?  ::)



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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2011, 04:46:59 PM »
If it is half as much fun as my 77/44, i will be getting one! plus it will make a good first deer rifle for the grand daughters.

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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2011, 10:39:49 PM »
I want one.  I had been waiting for one for a long time.  I was even considering modifying my 77/44 to make it a 357 mag but I am glad I did not because I like them both.
I also like lever guns and I have some.  But now, I want to have this rifle and plink with it a lot.
The other guns I had been waiting for are:  The Kel-Tec PMR-30 and the Taurus model 992 DA/SA convertible 22lr/22mag.  Which ever shows up first will take my hard earned dollars.
 
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2011, 03:15:47 AM »
i bought two 77/44,s when they first came out,a blue one and a stainless one. the blued one i sold to a friend and i kept the S.S. one. my friend and i have killed five deer with (28grs H-110,200 hornady bullet), tho not  tack drivers 2-3 inch groups at 100yds and are good deer killer within the ranges  intended(100-150 yds). all the deer were shot under 100yds thru the lungs and expired very quickly with complete pass thru,s, a blind man could have followed the blood trails. eastbank.

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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2011, 06:48:42 AM »
I wish they would have done a 454 Casull also. Alot more potent Deer Cartridge.

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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2011, 09:33:17 AM »
I wish they would have done a 454 Casull also. Alot more potent Deer Cartridge.

How much more potent do you need? :-\ 44mag from a carbine poleaxes deer with such authority the only thing 454 will do better is kill your shoulder and detach your retinas that much sooner.

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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2011, 02:08:10 PM »
The review is complete. This new rifle looks to be a good shooter!


http://gunblast.com/Ruger-M77-357.htm




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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2011, 04:25:50 PM »
I've just received mine today.  I ordered a week ago and paid out the door 650.00 for it.
I had been waiting for this rifle for a long time.  I can't wait to get home and develop some loads for it.  If I want more power, I would take another rifle from the.gun.safe but i want this for now.  Let me know what loads work bett
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2011, 10:24:09 AM »
 
Dinny,
 
   What?  This rifle appears to be a good shooter?  Huh?  Did you read the same review that I read?  Groups at 50 yards ran from about one inch to two inches, meaning groups of two inches to four inches at 100 yards.   There are other tests/reviews of this rifle now appearing on the internet, and they are also reporting accuracy in the range of 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards.
 
   I don't see how anyone can call these good groups from a bolt action rifle, especially one that costs over $600!
 
   Most of the reviewers are trying to gloss over this bad accuracy with forgiving comments like, "these groups are fine for the intended purposes of this type of rifle."  Oh, really?  Why?   
 
   For years, people have complained about how inaccurate the Ruger Mini-14 rifle is, because it will only get 3 inch groups.  (This from an assault rifle.)  And now, this type of accuracy is  suppose to be just dandy for a bolt action rifle? 
 
  I am not a big Marlin fan, but I have seen plenty of Marlin 1894s shoot groups of 1.5 to 1 inch at 100 yards, right out of the box, with standard 158 grain Remington factory ammo in .357.
 
   And yes, I did see that the reviewer managed to get a two inch group at 100 yards (he didn't say how many), using the Buffalo Bore ammo.  This is one of the most expensive brands of ammo you can buy.  How are those groups with standard factory ammo?   Again, 3 to 4 inches.
 
   The Ruger 77/357 looks like a handy and durable rifle, but the accuracy looks bad, not just for a bolt action, but for any type of action.  (Heck, most of the 100 year old Mauser 98s with pitted barrels will group 3 to 4 inches at a 100 yards.)
 
  How did Ruger manage to mess this up.  How hard could it be to make an accurate bolt action rifle?  Other companies do it all of the time.
 
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2011, 11:26:59 AM »
Not all bolt action rifles are created equal, nor are the cartridges. I personally think that the rifle is not intended to be a varmint rifle, and as such, shooting a pistol caliber, it shoots fine.


"For accuracy testing, I mounted a Trijicon 1.25 to 4 power AccuPoint scope in the Ruger rings. The AccuPoint has a post reticle with a lighted dot atop the post. The intensity of the red dot is automatically adjusted by existing light conditions, illuminated by an adjustable fiber-optic enhancer in most lighting conditions, with tritium illumination in total darkness. It is an excellent hunting scope for close to moderate range, and at its lowest power setting, works very well with both eyes open, making for exceptionally fast target acquisition and shooting. Accuracy was very good, especially with some of the loads tested. Accuracy varied from well under an inch at fifty yards to a bit over two and one-quarter inches. At one hundred yards, the best groups were fired with Buffalo Bore 357 Magnum 158 grain hollowpoint ammo, grouping three shots into under two inches at 100 yards.

I also think that the scope used is not the most precise. A good 3-9x40 with a standard duplex reticle would have given better results.

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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2011, 01:37:37 PM »
 
Dinny,
 
   I agree, it would have been much better had he used a high quality 4-power scope, shooting from sandbags to test accuracy.   I hope the prior poster who just got his rifle will put  a good scope on it, and run some groups with standard factory ammo, to let us see how well it shoots.  Hopefully it will do better.
 
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2011, 04:37:35 PM »
I just checked the Ruger website yesterday and that was the first I'd seen of these guns.  I have no good reason to want one but they sure could be fun and I'm very intrigued.  I too right away thought a 357 Maiximum version would be something good.  I've been tempted by Marlins too but haven't done it yet.


I wonder if it could be converted to 41 magnum - "my" weakness in handgun cartridges.
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2011, 05:12:27 AM »
[quote[What?  This rifle appears to be a good shooter?  Huh?  Did you read the same review that I read?  Groups at 50 yards ran from about one inch to two inches, meaning groups of two inches to four inches at 100 yards.   There are other tests/reviews of this rifle now appearing on the internet, and they are also reporting accuracy in the range of 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards.
 
   I don't see how anyone can call these good groups from a bolt action rifle, especially one that costs over $600!
 
   Most of the reviewers are trying to gloss over this bad accuracy with forgiving comments like, "these groups are fine for the intended purposes of this type of rifle."  Oh, really?  Why?   


   


  IMO, it;'s not glossing it over it's being realistic.  Consider the purpose...  You don't need MOA, you need "minute of game".   Is the kill zone 1" size or is it a big larger?  Too many get hung up on the requirement that one needs a match grade rifle to hunt with.  Really?  Did all those before us need such a precision rifle?  Nope!   then again, they used cartridges now considered weak and still got the task accomplished.  Why?   They relied on skill rather than foregoing that aspect and relying on the cartridge to compensate for the shooters inabilities.    The .357 mag isn't a long distance cartridge and I really don't think the gun is marketed as such.  Worrying about performance better than 3-4" at longer ranges is moot.  use it for it's intended purpose. 


  Now that said, I gotta go see how that 410 pattern out at 75 yds...turkeys ya know.  ;)
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2011, 05:15:17 AM »
   Re: the .357 maximum on this platform...  I heard about these a month or so before they were announced and had a very good indication they were coming even before that. I too was thinking MAX.   I just don't see that cartridge fitting in the rotary mag.  Not sure if it would fit in the action itself (haven't handled one to take measurements).    Already have a H&R in Max so it's not a needed thing, but wow, it would be very cool!   8)
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2011, 08:17:53 AM »
 
Blackhawk,
 
   I must say that I respectfully disagree with your thoughts that 3 to 4 inch MOA is acceptable accuracy for this rifle, for its intended purposes.
 
  For short range deer hunting, out to 100 yards, a 3 to 4 inch MOA has been recognized as an acceptable minimum amount of accuracy for more than 100 years.   Lots of the Winchester 94 carbines in .30-30, and similar carbines, fall into that category and will do fine for shooting deer.
 
  But this Ruger  is not being sold as a short-range deer carbine.  It is being sold as an "all-purpose"  rifle, and for an all-purpose rifle, that type of accuracy is just not good enough.
 
  As you know, if a rifle has a 3inch  MOA accuracy figure, that means that from sandbags at a bench, with no shooter error, and no adverse weather conditions, a 3 inch group is the best group that the rifle is capable of as a mechanical device.  When you translate this type of accuracy into shooting in the field, where the shooter is shooting from a kneeling, prone or other position with no sandbags, and the slightest adverse weather conditions prevail, this means that the shooter is only going to achieve a 5 to 6 inch  MOA.
 
   I agree that an all purpose rifle rifle cannot be expected to fill the role of a long range varmint rifle, or be expected to be a gopher killer.  But, it does have to have sufficient accuracy to take small game and small varmints with reliable certainty out to 100 yards.   
 
  A rifle with a practical MOA of only 5 to 6 inches in the field, or even 4 inches, is not good enough for consistently shooting rabbits, groundhogs, foxes, skunks and other assorted game at 100 yards.  You would miss as many as you would hit, and probably half of your hits would be wounds not kills.
 
   Yes, I know that in the good old days, people used their .30-30 and .44-40 carbines for everything, varmints included.  And the fact is, they missed and wounded lots of small and large game, and they just didn't care.  The other fact is that they used these carbines because they were the best carbines available at the time for a reasonable price.  Had lever action 2- inch MOA rifles been available in 1894 in a common caliber, then believe me, they would have been using those and not the Winchesters in .30-30 or .44-40 with 4 inch MOA.
 
    I guess the bottom line for my thoughts is, that an all around rifle has to have accuracy good enough for all around game, and 3 to 4 inch MOA is not good enough for small game and varmints at 100 yards.
 
    I would also love to know where this great myth arose, that in the olden days, everyone with a rifle was a dead shot, and and stalked really close, and never missed or wounded game.  During the days of the frontier, the  vast majority of people were really lousy shots.  They didn't run out and practice with their rifles at the range twice a month using benches and targets.  Their rifles were probably sighted in when they first got them (or maybe not), and then those rifles sat in the corners or up on pegs in their houses with the mops, brooms, fireplace pokers and other tools of the farm, to be yanked out and shot when they needed them..
 
   The majority of people who moved West during the last half of the 19th Century were born in Europe, not America, and had little or no prior experience with guns.   Their main firearm was the shotgun, and if they had a rifle, they probably only fired it 20 or 30 times times a year.
 
   If you visit the Custer battlefield, the wall charts show that more than HALF of the men in the 7th Cavalry were born in Europe (mostly Ireland), and had been in the army for less than a year, and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with their carbines.  They were pathetically terrible shots.
 
   If you go back earlier, and read the Journals of Lewis and Clark, they tell you, in a casual matter-of-fact way, that their small group of expert hunters  "lost" (i.e. wounded) as much game as they killed.  It was just regarded as normal.
 
 
 
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Re: New Ruger 77 in .357 Mag with rotating magazine.
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2011, 09:20:40 AM »
if the ruger don,t suit you and what you want,don,t buy it. i have the so called riflemans rifle(old model 70 win,s.) that will not group inside 2 inches at a hundred yards from a bench with a good scope. i have bench varmit rifles that will one hole five shots at a hundred yards,but i don,t hunt with them nor do i hunt field mice. eastbank.