It's about time eyes were opened..

[ironglow]

Yes, it's time eyes were opened and unstoppered...

     According to the Congressional Budget Office, the us is very near bankruptcy even now.  According to this morning's news the CBO says they were not even including such intangibles such as..the effects of high taxes on investments and savings.  About in the center of this article, you will find that the CBO places major blame on the so-called "stimulus bill" which did not 'stimulate' but gave millions to campaign donors.
  http://seekingalpha.com/article/264173-s-p-downgrade-shows-u-s-debt-crisis-could-have-dire-consequences

   Some of us who have been politically aware are not at all surprised.  We have studied the situation and KNOW why the Soros/Obama cabal is bad news for the US...and we knew it 2 years ago !
 
  It is no secret that Soros wants the destruction of our society as we are accustomed to it...and he will work to "take down" nations to meet his aims:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

  Here read a poster who has listed things done by him..  If one is reasonably well read, he already knows these points...
  http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-554159.htm

[ironglow]

  Check out this essay; it explains how tghe Soros/Obama cabal set out almost immediately (IMO) to destroy the US economically.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

   Notice the graphs down the right side, you can easily see that we were put in this extreme danger soon after Obama stepped in to lead the Democrat congress which had been working hard toward this end since 2006 !

  This graph shows the damage pattern well.  Note; under GW Bush the debt was about the same as some of Clinton's years...and GW spent too much !  But notice the rocketing debt under B Hussein..
   

[mcwoodduck]

Liberals and the press are out to destroy the capitalist system.
They want to get rid of all freedoms and have the government be all.
The tax laws are punitive if you do not do what ever social enginering Congress has planned for their friends.
The tax incentives and subsidies are killing our economy and adding power to the demand economy. 
" We want Solar pannels, so we will give tax incentives to companies to make them, we will give rebates to offset the costs to people who install them."  What happens in the market is artificaly low prices for a while increase sales and then when the prices go to normal, no one buys any more and hte companies fold, like in the 70's with the windmills and solar pool heating.
We need to take power away from congress and the illegal agencies that make illegal regulations (not laws) that are crippeling our economy and killing the capitalist system.

[Hooker]

mcwoodduck +1 good post

TM7 your right but you have to admit those two wack jobs are sure trying to accelerate the destruction.

Pat

[Junior1942]

The Cabal to destroy the USA was put in force long before BHO and neo-lib Soros came along....that much is for sure.

..TM7
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Yep, it started with a cabal named Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney.  They brought the USA to the very brink of financial ruin.

[gypsyman]

I sure wish I could live in your world Junior. Must be pretty easy!! gypsyman

[Junior1942]

I sure wish I could live in your world Junior. Must be pretty easy!! gypsyman

Read some newspapers from around two to three years ago.  It's that easy.

[ironglow]

Junior;
  Just read the simple chart above..it represents "control" of our federal govt, when most power of the three branches were held by one side or the other..Democrat control=blue, Republican control=red, split= purple.
    You can see when the reps had control the debt either held stable or even decreased..split usually a slight rise, when the Dems took over the debt really took off.  This is especially pronounced with the Dem congress of 2006, on through the Obama spending spree starting in 2008.
    Neither the Reps are certainly not worth spit, the Dems have been a real disaster...

[Junior1942]

I suggest you take a closer look at your own chart.  It clearly shows public debt increasing near the end of the financial disaster called the GWB presidency.  Care to explain how the financial disaster which started under GWB is the fault of Obama?

[lakota]

Why cant you get it through your head who was in control of congress during the time frame you referenced. Hint: it wasnt Bush Rumsfeld or Cheny.

[45-70.gov]

I suggest you take a closer look at your own chart.  It clearly shows public debt increasing near the end of the financial disaster called the GWB presidency.  Care to explain how the financial disaster which started under GWB is the fault of Obama?

nancy  pelosi  ring a bell???

[Junior1942]

Why cant you get it through your head who was in control of congress during the time frame you referenced. Hint: it wasnt Bush Rumsfeld or Cheny.

Who sat behind "The Buck Stops Here" desk and could have vetoed any spending bill?  Hint: it wasn't Obama, and, sorry 45-70.gov, it wasn't Nancy Pelosi either.  Hint: his dad was once a president.

[lakota]

Why cant you get it through your head who was in control of congress during the time frame you referenced. Hint: it wasnt Bush Rumsfeld or Cheny.

Who sat behind "The Buck Stops Here" desk and could have vetoed any spending bill?  Hint: it wasn't Obama, and, sorry 45-70.gov, it wasn't Nancy Pelosi either.  Hint: his dad was once a president.

Hint: Obama and Nancy are not faultless in fact they bear most of the blame. Hint:because they were voting on bills in the house and the senate . In Barry's defense he was probably "not present" most of the time.

[gypsyman]

Might look at some senators from NY and Mass., as they had their hand in this mess. And, their both Dems. I will not give GWB a pass on this either. He should have been yelling from the mountaintops about what was going on. Kinda like watching your neighbor selling drugs, and not informing the cops. gypsyman

[ironglow]

Why cant you get it through your head who was in control of congress during the time frame you referenced. Hint: it wasnt Bush Rumsfeld or Cheny.

Who sat behind "The Buck Stops Here" desk and could have vetoed any spending bill?  Hint: it wasn't Obama, and, sorry 45-70.gov, it wasn't Nancy Pelosi either.  Hint: his dad was once a president.

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  It wasn't the "veto power" which caused the mess..sometimes the  congress itself must be pro-active; passing bills designed to head off a future recession...but Pelosi and Reed c ould smell "blood in the water" and decided to sacrifice our economy in an effort to get one of their own in a pres.  Well, they got one elected and STILL don't know how to handle a budget...
  Gypsyman was entirely correct ion that GWB was not properly informing the public of these kill-the-economy moves by the Democrats, and should be roundly condemned for it
  Again Junior...look at it with a view of the the "control" factor...that's where the rubber really meets the road ! !

[magooch]

There were two major things that really sent the economy reeling and that was Obama and the Dumycrats talking down the economy in preparation for the upcoming 2008 elections and the scandalous way the housing mortgage business went south.  And it was Dumycrats like Barney Fag and Chris Dodd that had their fingers into that pie via Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.  There were lots of bad actors, but it was all liberal policy and GWB himself was a bit too exuberant about thinking everyone should be a home owner.

[ironglow]

There were two major things that really sent the economy reeling and that was Obama and the Dumycrats talking down the economy in preparation for the upcoming 2008 elections and the scandalous way the housing mortgage business went south.  And it was Dumycrats like Barney Fag and Chris Dodd that had their fingers into that pie via Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.  There were lots of bad actors, but it was all liberal policy and GWB himself was a bit too exuberant about thinking everyone should be a home owner.

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  Magooch; you have just nailed it !  It was a suicidal move for the economy when the Dem elites determined that EVERYONE should OWN a home..whether they can afford one or not..and whether they will properly maintain one or not !
  Without a sizeable down payment the buyer has no "equity" and thus will often choose to 'walk away'..when things get a bit tough..
  *****************************************************************************
  Yes; working together, Soros and Obama are succeeding in their mission;
   http://www.cnbc.com/id/43506564

[mcwoodduck]

All the conspericy people keep looking at the Masons and the Phrase New World Order.
I hate to tell everyone that Capitalism and personal freedom is that new world order.  Presented by the conservitive movement.  Promotion based on merrit, hard work rewarded, and risks taken to meet demands in the market.
The old world order is control of the masses by a few.  The people that want to grow government , control what you can do, and take your property limiting your resources and opertunities, where who you know and what group you belong to are more important.
The modern Democratic Party looks to take more control over your life and either regulates or outlaws actities or products they find offensive.  Obama and the rest of the current democrats are taking control of larger and larger sections of the economy and regulating who you can spend your money with or on.    Trying to redistribute wealth and economic power from people to government and them.

[ironglow]

All the conspericy people keep looking at the Masons and the Phrase New World Order.
I hate to tell everyone that Capitalism and personal freedom is that new world order.  Presented by the conservitive movement.  Promotion based on merrit, hard work rewarded, and risks taken to meet demands in the market.
The old world order is control of the masses by a few.  The people that want to grow government , control what you can do, and take your property limiting your resources and opertunities, where who you know and what group you belong to are more important.
The modern Democratic Party looks to take more control over your life and either regulates or outlaws actities or products they find offensive.  Obama and the rest of the current democrats are taking control of larger and larger sections of the economy and regulating who you can spend your money with or on.    Trying to redistribute wealth and economic power from people to government and them.

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mcwooduck;
   Here's a resounding DITTO from this corner !!
  Unfortunately; there are a group of politicians and a sizeable portion of the voting public who want to regress this nation back to the old order of feudalism..where the greater part of the people are ruled by a few "elites"...and many of them have STILL not 'caught on' to the nefarious scheme of our common enemy !

[nw_hunter]

All the conspericy people keep looking at the Masons and the Phrase New World Order.
I hate to tell everyone that Capitalism and personal freedom is that new world order.  Presented by the conservitive movement.  Promotion based on merrit, hard work rewarded, and risks taken to meet demands in the market.
The old world order is control of the masses by a few.  The people that want to grow government , control what you can do, and take your property limiting your resources and opertunities, where who you know and what group you belong to are more important.
The modern Democratic Party looks to take more control over your life and either regulates or outlaws actities or products they find offensive.  Obama and the rest of the current democrats are taking control of larger and larger sections of the economy and regulating who you can spend your money with or on.    Trying to redistribute wealth and economic power from people to government and them.

_______________________________________________________________________
All the conspericy people keep looking at the Masons and the Phrase New World Order.
I hate to tell everyone that Capitalism and personal freedom is that new world order.
_______________________________________________________________________
Is that why Bush and his cabal gave us the Department Of Homeland Security? Is this the way to reduce the size of government and increase personal freedom? The D's and R's both want to control our lives and they are doing a dam good job of it.

Control of the masses! THAT is the new world order.

[mcwoodduck]

All the conspericy people keep looking at the Masons and the Phrase New World Order.
I hate to tell everyone that Capitalism and personal freedom is that new world order.  Presented by the conservitive movement.  Promotion based on merrit, hard work rewarded, and risks taken to meet demands in the market.
The old world order is control of the masses by a few.  The people that want to grow government , control what you can do, and take your property limiting your resources and opertunities, where who you know and what group you belong to are more important.
The modern Democratic Party looks to take more control over your life and either regulates or outlaws actities or products they find offensive.  Obama and the rest of the current democrats are taking control of larger and larger sections of the economy and regulating who you can spend your money with or on.    Trying to redistribute wealth and economic power from people to government and them.

_______________________________________________________________________
All the conspericy people keep looking at the Masons and the Phrase New World Order.
I hate to tell everyone that Capitalism and personal freedom is that new world order.
_______________________________________________________________________
Is that why Bush and his cabal gave us the Department Of Homeland Security? Is this the way to reduce the size of government and increase personal freedom? The D's and R's both want to control our lives and they are doing a dam good job of it.

Control of the masses! THAT is the new world order.

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From what I understand GW Bush is a "Bonesman" a secret fraternity from his college, not a Mason.
I agree that smaller government is needed.  I do see that combining a bunch of agencies into one Homeland security agency is a step in the right direction and having four previous agencies now combined into one cuts down on the support staff and layers of managment. 
The problem we have is we now have people that are making politics as a career and not as a public service.  If you go to DC as a career you feel compelled to write laws and show you are doing something and get to stay there.  If you go to DC as a public servant you do what is needed for the country.

[mcwoodduck]

And shredded the Constitution, destroying the middle class, exporting jobs, and essentially creating a Wall St and corpo dictatorship...BHO included.

News flash....the NWO is the old world order,,,,in new clothes....always was.

..TM7
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NO, the original idea of capitalism, god given freedom, and free men being able to move around, meet with whom ever they want and to optimize markets. 
This along with abundant natural resources have made what is great about America and made us the shining star of the world.
And our founding fathers had requirements for you to vote.  you need to be a land owner.  Maybe we need to go back to that.  If you pay taxes you get to vote, if you do not pay taxes you don't get to vote.  When 52% of the people are not paying federal income tax and they can vote tax increases on the ones that are paying, there is going to be a problem.

[lakota]

Sorry mcwoodduck...but for the last 40 years taxes have been going down, down, down..that's a fact, esp for the high end and corpo.  But things have been getting worse, worse, worse.

TM7

Really? I hadnt noticed since everywhere I turn there is another tax I have to pay

[BUGEYE]

when I voted in 2008 I had to stand in line for hours.  from listening to others in line, I found that most were voting for the first time and only because of a black candidate for prez.
this county is over 80% black so you know how it went.
no important issues were discussed by that electorate.

[yellowtail3]

this county is over 80% black so you know how it went.
no important issues were discussed by that electorate.

Oh, I expect some issues were considered, if not discussed. What kind of political discussion would you have liked to have had with your fellow citizens - your brothers and sisters! - in that voting line?

It sounds like you're got a problem with non-white peoples - Chill out, brother...

[BUGEYE]

this county is over 80% black so you know how it went.
no important issues were discussed by that electorate.

Oh, I expect some issues were considered, if not discussed. What kind of political discussion would you have liked to have had with your fellow citizens - your brothers and sisters! - in that voting line?

It sounds like you're got a problem with non-white peoples. Chill out, brother...

I said no important issues.  there were some things discussed but the tone was more about race.

[yellowtail3]

I said no important issues.  there were some things discussed but the tone was more about race.

Well... what do you expect in the voting line, anyhow? It's time to vote, not debate. Besides - a lot of black folks excited about the prospect of a black (half-black?) president, and you worried about too many black people in your country... how would that conversation have gone, Brother Bugeye? Would you have expressed your worries about trouble a-comin' due to too many black people in the neighborhood?

[mcwoodduck]

Sorry mcwoodduck...but for the last 40 years taxes have been going down, down, down..that's a fact, esp for the high end and corpo.  But things have been getting worse, worse, worse.

TM7

Sure if you take the past 40 years.
If you take the last 25 years after the Reagan and the tax resetting.
But since Regan State, federal, local, payroll taxes all have increased, not to mention fees (another word for taxes) have too all increased. 
We have taxes that have been part of our culture for so long no one asks why anymore.  there is a tax on your phone bill to pay for the Spanish American war.  1899!  More is collected each year on this tax than the war cost.  When do we get to end this tax?  when do we get to end many specific taxes?  Why are tax reductions the only thing with a sunset?  Why do taxes not have a sunset?

[BUGEYE]

YT3, all you seem to be capable of is baiting someone to fight.  I've never seen you contribute a single lucid idea to any conversation.
so, don't bother responding to this post because I won't see it.
don't ya just love ignore buttons

[yellowtail3]

YT3, all you seem to be capable of is baiting someone to fight.  I've never seen you contribute a single lucid idea to any conversation.

I'm all about lucidity. Let's be friends, Brother Bugeye.

so, don't bother responding to this post because I won't see it.
don't ya just love ignore buttons

That's uncharitable, but it'll be effective in maintaining an ignorant state. Step outside the echo-chamber, brother, you'll learn some good things. I did.

And I truly hope you do not suffer too much discomfort from all those black people you were worried about. Get to know a few - they're God's children, too, just like you and I. Visit church with 'em.